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Is Androgyny just the first step to full transition?

Started by Joann, July 31, 2012, 09:48:31 AM

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foosnark

Indeed, it might be useful not to think of the binary gender points as "full" and nonbinary gender as "halfway" or "partial."
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Edge

Quote from: foosnark on August 02, 2012, 10:36:50 AM
Indeed, it might be useful not to think of the binary gender points as "full" and nonbinary gender as "halfway" or "partial."
Especially since some people have more than one gender and that would make us... double full? I don't know. I like Madeline's description of rocking a full pair of horns.
That's why I dislike calling gender a spectrum.
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aleon515

Quote from: Edge on August 02, 2012, 10:55:42 AM
that's why I dislike calling gender a spectrum.



Well it depends on how you think of a spectrum. As a simple line of various colors (like a rainbow) with points in between, it makes little sense. But if you think of a spectrum kind of like those color circles (though I think they'd probably mean actually a three dimensional object) on a program like Photoshop, it's pretty cool. You could be anywhere at all on that circle.
It's a neat analogy (keeping in mind it still stays an analogy).


There's one here but ze ruins it by feeling in somewhat by filling it in with words.
http://alexquantizes.tumblr.com/post/6412740435/profoundboner-thai-madness-genderbread




--Jay Jay
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Edge

Yeah I don't like when male and female are shown as opposite ends.
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ativan

Spectrum in some uses does not imply having 'ends'. In most uses, it does imply a line from one end to the other.


Continuum would be a better choice, but it still implies a line with directions towards something in each direction.


I have imagined non-binary as a three dimensional space, without an end in any direction.
As a non-binary, you could be at any given point or really as many points as you want, at any given moment.
Somewhere, there is the point 'male, and there is 'female'. They don't necessarily have to be stationary points.
You could draw a straight line between the two and call that the binary spectrum or continuum.
I don't think that is correct, I think any individual moving between those two points can also be at other point(s), also.
But there is the intention of moving from one place to another, but why not also be at other places at the same time, too?


Just speculation, mind you. Spectrum or continuum are simple ways of looking at it, effectively.
A space does open up possibilities that are hard to define with a line.
Adding time or not has an effect that could be used to define the possibilities.


Ativan
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Violet Bloom

Quote from: Edge on August 02, 2012, 10:55:42 AM
Especially since some people have more than one gender and that would make us... double full?
Well as long as you're not double 'full of yourselves' I'll support you in whatever you want to be ;)

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Edge

Quote from: Violet Bloom on August 02, 2012, 09:03:52 PM
Well as long as you're not double 'full of yourselves' I'll support you in whatever you want to be ;)
Heheh I want to take over the world. I'm pretty sure I'm full of myself.
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Joann

Quote from: Violet Bloom on August 02, 2012, 09:03:52 PM
Well as long as you're not double 'full of yourselves' I'll support you in whatever you want to be ;)


I have three. John (Masculine) Jan (feminine) and Joann (androgen)
♪♫ You dont look different but you have changed...
I'm looking through you,. Your not the same ♪♫ :)
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Joann

Quote from: Ativan Prescribed on August 02, 2012, 05:18:12 PM
Spectrum in some uses does not imply having 'ends'. In most uses, it does imply a line from one end to the other.


Continuum would be a better choice, but it still implies a line with directions towards something in each direction.Ativan


I like the concept of yin and yang masculine and feminin together sharing aspects with each other but in balance. And the balance isn't easy to achieve, and when you do it wont last long.
♪♫ You dont look different but you have changed...
I'm looking through you,. Your not the same ♪♫ :)
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Kinkly

Quote from: agfrommd on August 01, 2012, 08:13:23 AM

Upsides and downsides. Upside: You can be yourself. Downside: No one will see you as you are.
I just wanted to comment that It is possible to be who you are and seen as who you are - sure many people wont know the right words If you are presenting as yourself in a clearly non binary way then people will see that.  I sometime get "Bearded Lady", "What the F..." or "dude in a dress" clearly I'm not really any of those labels but They are better then "Normal guy" or "Normal girl"
I quite like when called bearded Lady :)

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I like the concept of yin and yang masculine and feminin together sharing aspects with each other but in balance. And the balance isn't easy to achieve, and when you do it wont last long.
some of us are able to find a balance that feels right and stays there for a long time.
for me my fluidity reduced it's range and I no longer move into uncomfortable unbalanced state.  you may be lucky to find yourself in a balanced state but it isn't  an easy journey to get to that point
   
I don't want to be a man there from Mars
I'd Like to be a woman Venus looks beautiful
I'm enjoying living on Pluto, but it is a bit lonely
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Violet Bloom

Quote from: Edge on August 02, 2012, 09:15:25 PM
Heheh I want to take over the world.
Ya, you and who's army...uh, oh wait, joann is his/her/hir own army!  Yikes! --->runs away--->

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ativan

Quote from: Edge on August 02, 2012, 09:15:25 PM
Heheh I want to take over the world.
Me too. (crap, now everyone knows)
*Activates secret army, puts them on high alert status*

Ativan
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Violet Bloom

Quote from: Ativan Prescribed on August 03, 2012, 11:51:24 AM
Me too. (crap, now everyone knows)
*Activates secret army, puts them on high alert status*

Ativan
Oh, crap!  I should have known the androgyne forest was concealing a secret androgyne army ready to leap out from hiding and attack when the time is right.  Prepare thyselves to bow to your new overlords!  (BTW, that wouldn't be one of the seven signs of the apocalypse, would it? ;))

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aleon515

Quote from: Violet Bloom on August 03, 2012, 11:23:05 PM
(BTW, that wouldn't be one of the seven signs of the apocalypse, would it? ;) )


Why yes it would.


--Jay Jay
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Padma

At the moment, when I think about my sense of gender (beyond my need for a female body), something pops into my head from back when I was studying chemistry at school - a "dynamic equilibrium".

The only reason why gender might be static is because we're so strongly conditioned to expect it to be :). Identity is only fixed by our desire to fix it. I'm finding my present fluidity of self (and gender) pretty disconcerting in a way, but at  same time just spot on. Even though I'm going through an MTF transition, the woman I am wants to be masculine. And why not.
Womandrogyne™
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Joann

Quote from: Violet Bloom on August 03, 2012, 11:27:11 AM
Ya, you and who's army...uh, oh wait, joann is his/her/hir own army!  Yikes! --->runs away--->


Yes, a army of one. :police:
♪♫ You dont look different but you have changed...
I'm looking through you,. Your not the same ♪♫ :)
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ativan

Quote from: Padma on August 04, 2012, 12:54:24 AM
At the moment, when I think about my sense of gender (beyond my need for a female body), something pops into my head from back when I was studying chemistry at school - a "dynamic equilibrium".

The only reason why gender might be static is because we're so strongly conditioned to expect it to be :) . Identity is only fixed by our desire to fix it. I'm finding my present fluidity of self (and gender) pretty disconcerting in a way, but at  same time just spot on. Even though I'm going through an MTF transition, the woman I am wants to be masculine. And why not.
Dynamic equilibrium in chemistry.
Which in a sense, is one of the possibilities I have been trying to state, when it comes to non-binaries.


At several points simultaneously, yet still able to change those points.
And still are able to be in a stable state of flux or reaction.
You can be changing, while still being yourself.
Perhaps this is a part of the sense of smoothness I feel from E...


Low dose HRT is like putting the cap back on the bottle, in a sense.
c=kp


;D  Just don't get all shook up about it,  ;) :laugh:


Ativan
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ativan

Quote from: Violet Bloom on August 03, 2012, 11:23:05 PM
Oh, crap!  I should have known the androgyne forest was concealing a secret androgyne army ready to leap out from hiding and attack when the time is right.  Prepare thyselves to bow to your new overlords!
:D Gen. Edge and  :D Gen. Ativan
Something about that combination... there's a weird metaphor or something in that.


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Padma

Womandrogyne™
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ativan

Just when you thought the forest was all peaceful.
The training camps are always active.
Doing what, I don't know...


Gen. Ativan (Ret.)
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