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Is Androgyny just the first step to full transition?

Started by Joann, July 31, 2012, 09:48:31 AM

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Edge

Quote from: Padma on August 04, 2012, 11:11:35 AM
Our privates definitely need serious training :) .
Just so you know, my mind went straight to the gutter.


Gen.? I am king!
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Padma

Quote from: Edge on August 04, 2012, 03:52:13 PM
Just so you know, my mind went straight to the gutter.
...and fair enough, since that's where my sentence came from...
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Stealthy

Quote from: Edge on August 04, 2012, 03:52:13 PMGen.? I am king!
Wouldn't the androgynes be more likely to have a monarch than a king?  :D
Pronouns: shi/hir

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Stealthy

Pronouns: shi/hir

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Padma

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Joann

How about a benevolent dictator?


"I command you to have fun..."
♪♫ You dont look different but you have changed...
I'm looking through you,. Your not the same ♪♫ :)
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ativan

Quote from: Stealthy on August 05, 2012, 01:38:30 AM
Let's just be an anarchy.
It is. It is the forest after all. The closest thing to a leader is who has the best rope swing.
We are but children playing games. It is one of our greatest strengths, our childlike qualities and outlook.
Just as we are not confined to a gender of binary, we are not confined to the effects of growing older.
We learn, we retain the knowledge as if it would make us mature, but that is not in our nature.
~'OK, fine. If I have to act mature to make you happy I will. Till you go away, again.'~
Neither is having a real hierarchy of leaders, let alone rulers. We don't need the rules, we just get along.

This is a clue to why Andogyny (non-binary) is not really a step towards full transition.
We can transition, if we so desire, but that doesn't qualify it as a complete transition.
It is our general nature to be child like in many ways. It manifests its self in notable ways.
We retain those qualities of being non-binary, even if we appear to be binary.
Lets still have fun, it is a great quality of the forest. It is a reason so many others come to visit.

*it's not an attitude towards living, it's a perception of life*
Ativan
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ativan

I just realized why Anarchy as a whole always sounds so appealing.


Ativan
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Padma

When it comes down to it, healthy anarchy means self-rule - which sometimes needs an internal benevolent dictator :) .
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ativan


Quote from: Padma on August 05, 2012, 01:52:50 PM
When it comes down to it, healthy anarchy means self-rule - which sometimes needs an internal benevolent dictator :) .
~'OK, fine. If I have to act mature to make you happy I will. Till you go away, again.'~

My therapist refers to that as my preadolescent self.
I concur.


Ativan
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foosnark

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Joann

Quote from: Padma on August 05, 2012, 01:52:50 PM
When it comes down to it, healthy anarchy means self-rule - which sometimes needs an internal benevolent dictator :) .


Right on...
♪♫ You dont look different but you have changed...
I'm looking through you,. Your not the same ♪♫ :)
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suzifrommd

Quote from: DrillQuip on August 05, 2012, 07:54:38 PM
Its entirely possible that I'm just an andie...
We have a arrived!

You're nowhere until someone gives you a nickname that ends in a vowel. Maybe in a few years we can talk about how much we hate that nickname, and the world can fall all over itself being politically correct calling us androgynous until we change our mind and insist on being called "non-binary gendered".

From there it's only a short trip to equal rights legislation and maybe our own bathrooms.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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ativan

Indeed...
Someday people will understand that 'androgynous' is a presentation that anyone can do.
I am an Androgyn, therefore my presentation would be 'androgyn', as opposed to 'androgynous'.
If I happen to look 'androgynous', I don't. I am an Androgyn, so my presentation would be called 'androgyn'.
Even if it has an 'androgynous' look to it.
But since 'androgynous' is a broad representation, you could use 'androgynous'.
If you are not an Androgyn, and have an 'androgyn' look, you don't. You're not an Androgyn.
You would simply look, 'androgynous'.
As a poor, but usable way, replace the word Androgyn with Elephant.
See why that works that way?
Why is this so hard?


Also, nicknames have a way of being demeaning, taking away from who a person is.
Using the same poor example, you wouldn't say 'Hey Elephie'.
It would be demeaning to the status of an Elephant, because it could be used in a demeaning way.
Especially to an Elephant who has never heard or used, or would want to use, the word 'Elephie'.
When used in a personal way, with someone you know, they can be acceptable.
We do this all the time.
But they are especially demeaning when used improperly by well meaning people who are not.
It is partly why I have chosen to use the term 'non-binary', when referring to my gender.
It is harder to say, but is correct. It doesn't work to use a nickname for it.
Even though I am Androgyn. In most references to what I talk about, using 'non-binary' is more correct.


And someday people will get used to the idea that 'they' can be used as a singular pronoun.
If you are non-binary and I refer to you as 'they', you get it. Regardless of your preferred pronoun use.
When I know you personally and remember to, I will use whatever you prefer. We do that.
Why is that so hard?


*I, Me, they, is having a bad day.*
*I will,... get the ->-bleeped-<- over it*
Ativan
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Violet Bloom

Looks like I threw a real twist into this thread before I left for the weekend.  Now that I'm back I'm pleased with the results.  Very fascinating discussion all-round.  I especially like reading Ativan's contributions.

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eli77

Quote from: Ativan Prescribed on August 06, 2012, 02:19:13 PM
And someday people will get used to the idea that 'they' can be used as a singular pronoun.
If you are non-binary and I refer to you as 'they', you get it. Regardless of your preferred pronoun use.
When I know you personally and remember to, I will use whatever you prefer. We do that.
Why is that so hard?

The English language needs this so very badly. It makes me want to throw things when people argue it is grammatically incorrect. Addison, Austen, Chesterfield, Fielding, Ruskin, Scott, and the Bard himself, William Shakespeare, used it as a gender neutral singular. If that isn't good enough for anybody, they can go soak their head.
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Jamie D

What does one transition TO, if they are bi-gendered?
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Padma

Quote from: Jamie D on August 07, 2012, 01:13:20 AM
What does one transition TO, if they are bi-gendered?
...to wherever they have least/no dysphoria, I guess.
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