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Mini-rant / Your thoughts

Started by Metroland, August 07, 2012, 06:36:19 AM

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Metroland

I have been confused for a while about what gender is and my feelings about transitioning.  For some time now, I have been feeling that gender is like emotion.  One can have several emotions, with some stronger than others, but they are to varying degrees.  I see that gender is similar.  One can have a little bit of masculinity, a little bit of femininity, and I think that there are more genders that we do not identity because of our fixation on binary gender.

So for me I am an amalgamation of gender characteristics.  As for my dissatisfaction with my genitalia (because this is what I felt did not belong to me when I first started feeling gender dysphoric), I feel that it is simply a physiological discomfort that needs to be treated.  So most people express their gender differently, and those of us who need to modify their bodies are the ones who need specified medical intervention to remove the discomfort.

Finally, maybe this last topic is better brought up with cross-dressers but it pertains to the above discussion, are there permanent cross-dressers?  I usually hear about cross-dressing for show but are there people who are permanently comfortable with dressing in a gender that they were not assigned at birth?  Are those the people who I mentioned above who are simply comfortable with their physical body but prefer to express their gender differently?

This is a mini-rant but I also was wondering what you think.
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Erica

I think that I would define gender as part of your innate sense of self.  This definition differs from sex, in that sex tends to be understood to refer to physical characteristics.  That being said, I am perfectly comfortable saying that my sex is female, despite the fact that I am pre-op.  I am also on hormones, and my external body is in all other ways characteristically female. 

As far as gender characteristics are concerned, we are all an amalgamation of gender characteristics, and there are very broad continuums - even among cis people - between stereotypically male and female personality traits, and even physical traits.  I think that one definitely does not decide the other.  Plenty of straight cis people have traits which overlap in this way, and it certainly doesn't define them in any way as being trans or gay, or anything in between.  It is that innate sense of self,  of your core identity, which tells you whether you are trans or not.  And there are many people - many of whom identify as gender queer - who feel that they are both, or neither, and this is equally valid.  This is where you begin to fall into distinctions between what is socially constructed about gender, and what is innate.  This such as whether, for example, I like action movies or romantic comedies (I like both), whether I played with "boy" toys or "girl" toys as a child (again, I played with both), and whether I dress femme, or more butch or androgynously (I'm pretty femme), are essentially cultural ideas of male and female, and, again, there are plenty of cis, strait people, for example, who overlap across these lines, and one does not define the other.  As far as what is innate, I maintain that I am innately female, because that has always been my internal sense of who I am.  It is visceral, and part of my core.  The trans community itself presents an extraordinarily broad continuum that includes intersexed individuals who do not identify as either male or female, all the way up through transexuals who do aim to entirely change the gender and sex into which they were born.  There are no right or wrong answers to the question of what your own transition or trans identity means to you.  Wherever you fall within this continuum, I promise you that there are others out there who are like you, and who feel the same way that you do. 

As to your specific question about permanent cross dressers...I've never heard of it specifically, but I wouldn't be surprised to hear that there is at least one person out there who identifies that way, and I refer back up to what I said above.  My understanding is that many people who identify as cross dressers identify their gender being consistent with the sex they were assigned at birth.  I am also not very well-versed on the subject of cross dressers and ->-bleeped-<-s, I fall into the transsexual, entirely changing the gender and sex into which I was born side of the spectrum, and I just have not spent as much time investigating these other aspects. 

I hope this helps : )
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Edge

I think you are confusing male and female with masculine and feminine. They aren't the same thing. Yes, everyone has "masculine" and "feminine" traits, but that isn't gender. Those are personality traits that are arbitrarily labelled for some reason.
Yes, there are permanent crossdressers.
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Metroland

Erica,

Thanks.  I don't see gender as a continuum anymore.  Rather as I mentioned before I see it as discrete quantities of certain characteristics that make up one's gender as a whole.

Edge,

Regarding, male and female, I don't think that there is such a thing.  For me, if someone has a majority of feminine traits then they are, what is currently consider, female and vise versa for masculine traits.  As for personality traits I currently ascribe feminine and masculine to them.  This is where I am when understanding gender.  Maybe as you said the labels are arbitrary but for instance if someone is sweet we label it a feminine thing.

Do permanent crossdressers consider themselves transgendered or are they happy to still call themselves crossdressers?
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Edge

So if a male (cis or trans) has more feminine traits, you would consider him female despite the fact that he is male and if a female (cis or trans) has more masculine traits, you would consider her male despite the fact that she is female?
As far as I know, no, they do not consider themselves transgender and some I know wouldn't call themselves crossdressers either.
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Metroland

Quote from: Edge on August 07, 2012, 03:02:16 PM
So if a male (cis or trans) has more feminine traits, you would consider him female despite the fact that he is male and if a female (cis or trans) has more masculine traits, you would consider her male despite the fact that she is female?

As I mentioned male and female are based on traits.  So male and female, and masculine and feminine are mutually inclusive.  For me you don't need to have male or female.  It is just a binary which corresponds to genitalia.  I feel that the gender binary doesn't describe correctly one's gender.
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