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Why are there fewer women in heavy music?

Started by Bird, September 10, 2011, 04:16:05 PM

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Berserk

Quote from: Laura91 on August 09, 2012, 12:23:10 PM
I never was a huge Bolt Thrower fan. They just never made me have a strong reaction one way or another.

:o *mind blown* I can't even fathom living without Bolt Thrower! :laugh:
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ScarlettLovee

My dying bride has had some female members. Speaking of them, does anyone else feel very female while listening to them?
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MariaMx

The Commander-In-Chief is pretty cool, and she's Norwegian like me.

"Of course!"
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Gretchen

What a cool thing, to be trans and a METAL head. All day I have to supply my clients with the easy listening of Enya, Sade and anything that is New Age. It is so nice to wake up on a Saturday morning getting ready for a pride fest and hearing some new Metal, Bolt Thrower and My Dying Bride, I am so ready to rip my own juggler vein out of my throat.
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Julie Wilson

Quote from: Bird on September 10, 2011, 04:16:05 PM
I know I might be generalizing but to me it seens heavy music is fairly male dominated. Most heavy metal bands are composed of only men, and having a female member in one is so unusual it draws attention.


I think it is because typically in a male who is happy with his gender and due to testosterone - many more men (than women) tend to thrive on aggression, chest beating, primal drum pounding, war cries, asserting their alpha male masculinity thing or at least trying to convince others of it...

Whereas many more women (than men) don't need those sorts of things.
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MariaMx

To a lot of guys being in a rock or metal band is more about the attention of being in a band than being a musician.
"Of course!"
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Gretchen

This band has a girl in it.



Every good METAL band should have an accordion in it.
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Julie Wilson

Quote from: Laura91 on September 08, 2012, 01:23:18 PM
Well, I've never felt like a male and I always found all of the things that you mentioned in the metal scene to be ridiculous. I just liked the sound of the music.


I had a hunch what I said would be taken out of context so allow me to put it into context for you.

This thread asks why there are fewer women musicians in heavy metal bands and my reply was in answer to that question.

There is a difference between performing and listening.  This thread is about performing.

The question was never, "Why do fewer women like to listen to heavy metal music."  That was not the question and so my answer should not be applied to that question.

However I will say there is a difference between feeling like a gender and being a gender.  I also feel like a woman and yet I don't have ovaries and cannot donate eggs.  Transition has allowed me many aspects of womanhood, not all but many.  Had I not transitioned I would not have the biology/endocrinology of a female and thus I would experience things differently.  Before transition I was angry and absolutely loved drinking and listening to Insane Clown Posse but now I like gentler music and being sober is cool too, I no longer need things to be comfortable, I've got me.

Also when I first began transition this was my war cry ...


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MariaMx

Laura Jane Grace, one of our own in the punk-scene

"Of course!"
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tekla

A far more pertinent question might well turn out to be 'Why are there fewer heavy metal bands in general'?  Face it, it's a dying genre, one that - like jazz - will always have a small and narrow consituant audience (also known as a 'niche market') but will have little to no real effect on the course of the musical mainstream that it once was the vanguard of.

Here are three rather interesting facts.

* - Starting in 2001 and continuing for many years after that, turntables outsold guitars in music stores.  (and that's a solid 10 years past when turntables stopped being used for home music).

* - This year, for the first time in their history (going back to 1991), Soundscan noted that old music (defined as releases more than two years old) was outselling new music across all rock genres.

* - This year EDM was far outselling rock considering all releases old and new.

Metal bands that used to sell out 2000 seat houses are lucky to get booked in 1000 seat houses, bands that used to play 500 seat clubs are lucky to find a 200 seat club that will book them, and the few big metal tours that are doing well seem to be well beyond dinosaur status, sucking on oxygen between songs instead of joints and gulping down tea and water and not swilling beer.  And, at that, such tours are doing well only as part of a package with 4 or 5 bands sharing a stage that 5 years ago any of them would have sold out all on their own.

Anymore it's just nostalgia.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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peky

Maybe in the States but not in Europe e.g Ramstein, Grave Digger, Kreator
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tekla

Maybe in the States but not in Europe e.g Ramstein, Grave Digger, Kreator

EDM festivals in Europe far outnumber (and outsell) rock fests.  And I'm sure that on any given night there are far more people in EDM venues than head banging, even in Germany.
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peky

Quote from: tekla on September 13, 2012, 03:32:38 PM
Maybe in the States but not in Europe e.g Ramstein, Grave Digger, Kreator

EDM festivals in Europe far outnumber (and outsell) rock fests.  And I'm sure that on any given night there are far more people in EDM venues than head banging, even in Germany.

I beg to disagree my dear Tekla, in the USA  EDM barely had a  million in attendance in  2012, http://ptrnge.com/edm-festivals-2012/

while rock attendance in the USA in 2012 was 27 million!!! http://www.statista.com/statistics/193024/attendance-at-rock-music-concerts-in-the-us-since-2003/
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tekla

Apples and oranges, you are comparing 7 festivals in the US to all the concerts which are several orders of magnitude above 7.   When you look at overall venue attendance you'll find that more people are out every night doing some sort of EDM event than listening to bands.  And, what's most telling for the future, you'll find the EDM crowd is basically under 35, while the rock crowd is mostly 30+. 

Just check this out, if you have some TV ad for like Medicare Supplement Insurance or Viagra (both aimed at old people) they will feature rock, if the product is aimed at people under 30 it's going to be EDM or hip-hop as the soundtrack.

And in the US, County acts outsell everyone else.

FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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peky

Quote from: tekla on September 13, 2012, 04:26:18 PM
Apples and oranges, you are comparing 7 festivals in the US to all the concerts which are several orders of magnitude above 7.   When you look at overall venue attendance you'll find that more people are out every night doing some sort of EDM event than listening to bands.  And, what's most telling for the future, you'll find the EDM crowd is basically under 35, while the rock crowd is mostly 30+. 

Just check this out, if you have some TV ad for like Medicare Supplement Insurance or Viagra (both aimed at old people) they will feature rock, if the product is aimed at people under 30 it's going to be EDM or hip-hop as the soundtrack.

And in the US, County acts outsell everyone else.

The dismissal of Rock has been greatly exaggerated. E. A. Presley 1958
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tekla

In some ways it's importance is the thing that was overestimated, like I said, country outsells it.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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ZoeNicole

Check out Exist Trace on Youtube. A female only band. There stuff is quite heavy imo.


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peky

Quote from: tekla on September 13, 2012, 07:40:42 PM
In some ways it's importance is the thing that was overestimated, like I said, country outsells it.

Country! what is that?
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