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do you think you're beautiful? why? or why not?

Started by katia, May 10, 2007, 11:59:56 AM

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Yvonne

Im stunning!   It took me a few years (and FFS) to find the confidence to see the beauty in me. When I was a child I hated myself but when I look at pickies of myself now I dont know why. I was so sweet with a pretty face, and beautiful eyes. I can only put it down to lack of confidence, partly because of being bullied about my gender issues. Now there may be things I would like to change about myself (still) but fundamentally Im very happy with my looks.
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LynnER

DO I THINK IM beautiful?  ummmm most of the time, but not allways...  sometimes have those horrable disphoria attacks where I think IM some sort of hidious swamp creature that dried up in the desert sun and was messed on by some pidgions........

Am I beautiful....  Hell yes. I most deffinatly am  :)  thankyou.

What makes me beautiful?  Well, mostly Attitude, if your confident and believe in yourself it shines through...  Physicaly I take good care of myself, try to eat healthy, maintain my weight with in a certian range,  dress appropriatly for my bodyshape and age...  makesure to keep clean  *SHrugs*  stuff most everyone should do....  OH, HRT ofcorse... that has made a huge physical diffrence LoL. But in the end its all ATTITUDE!!  yeah!     and anyone who dosnt believe me needs to meet me face to face >;)  or anyone else who is beautiful for that matter.
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TheBattler

#22
Shame on you Tink, Cindi and Kristi for use the B**** word for describing yourself.

You are 3 of my great friends here and you all have help me out in so many ways in my times of need. Do not put yourselfs down if you are moody ETC - you have all been throught a lot and come out (or are coming out) the other side. I do not want to hear you describe yourselfs with that type of language again. You are 3 wonderful and caring people.

Tink :icon_hug:  - I would be no where without your encouragment and honesty when I needed it.

Cindi :icon_hug: - You know how much I value talking to you - it seams I am on your path.

Kritis :icon_hug:  Your stories have been fantastic - thank you for chatting to me and allowing me to get to know you. We are on similar paths SIS.

Alice
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Christo

Quote from: Tink on May 10, 2007, 05:43:07 PM
Quote from: Katia on May 10, 2007, 11:59:56 AM
do you think you're beautiful?

Of course I am.  I'm gorgeous!  :-*


your beautiful inside and out :) :) :) :icon_dance:  see, eveybody loves u. ;)
& I'm dancin :icon_dance:
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Keira


Its one of these things. Talking about beauty and attractiveness is one those hot tamale subjects amongst TS; I wish it wasn't!! That way, people wouldn't do the most extreme form of FFS when all they needed was a tweek.

Others seek beauty in FFS the beauty nature didn't give them under the excuse of looking more feminine; its like straight on saying they want to be an attractive women, not just a women, would get them thrown out of the TS community.

My opinion, If your were passable before and do the most extreme form of FFS, your not doing it only for looking more like a women; saying that is kind of insult to the hundreds of millions of women with one of these imperfections: big chins, large jaws, large noses, etc. In fact, most women have one of the "male" imperfections we are trying to dump!!

People do FFS for vanity as much as for congruence; I'd just wish they'd admit this. Its like a bad thing to admit your ripping all your face open because you want to look pretty, oh the horror of vanity... Any cosmetic surgery, until 10 years ago, was seen as a pretty extreme thing to do to oneself; having the FFS works in great part for vanity, I'm sure carries a certain stigma. Better to say its for removing those ugly male trait and avoid scrutiny.

If FFS was seen esthetic decision instead of core identity thing, TS in between them, would be more open in slapping some sense in those that think they need tons of it to look more feminine. For now, we walk on pins and needles and rarely confront those that we think go to far.

Anyway, I do think I look pretty after nearly a year of HRT and a light FFS surgery that I did in parts to alievate my disphoria and in parts because I couldn't stand to be an ugly woman! (there I've said it, slap me now :-). I'm attractive not in a girl next door way, many here are attractive in this way, more in a femme fatale, eat males for breakfast, way (I can live with that... hehe). Now, I just have to put these looks to work and start eating men ;-).



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Keira


Kiera, we 've basicaly have the same name.
Keira and Kiera are alternate british spellings of the irish name Ciara.
(You know that of course :-).

My mother preferred Kiera, but I really liked Keira Knightley's name since the first time I heard it and it stuck in my head. In my 20's I was using another name when I almost transitioned "Nadia", because I idolized Nadia Comaneci (the gymnast star of the 1976 Montreal Olympic).

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melissa90299

Beauty is relative, I just looked at my old passport photo (taken in 97) and my new one and it is quite remarkable. (Wish I could post them)
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I am still not happy with my appearance though, I need to tone up, lose 20 more pounds and get a BA.

I also wish I had more mature looking breasts, I have been spending a lot of time at the gym and have seen more boobs than I think I have seen up close in my life (and that is alot) What I notice is that my nipples still look like a pubescent girl's not like a mature woman's.

Anyway, I am pretty comfortable with my body (except that one part) I have found myself engaged in conversations with other women while I was undressed from the waist up and it's just like we were chatting at Starbuck's. The socialization that is taking place for me at the women's gym has been more beneficial for my confidence than any other post-transition experience. I can't wait until I get back form Thailand and not have to worry about the towel slipping off.

Right now, I have a bad zit on my lip so I don't feel so beautiful.


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Lisbeth

Quote from: Lisbeth on May 10, 2007, 12:18:37 PM
Do I think I'm beautiful?  No.  But that was never a goal that I believed I could reach, so I haven't tried.
I am cute, though.
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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Butterfly

I think Im beautiful.  I had better be after spending so much money on FFS ~laugh~ I dont feel like a supermodel or Hollywood material though...
Even though nay people consider my girlfriend ugly she is to me the most beautiful looking woman over the face of the earth, and I love her deeply...
My point is... No matter how you look, you will always be beautiful to someone different to yourself...
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BeverlyAnn

Moi?  Not even close.  Oh with the right makeup and lighting, I don't scare little children but beautiful? No.

Beverly
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Robyn

I don't think I'm bad looking for an old broad.

Robyn
Only 25 more days of being a youthful 69
When we walk to the edge of all the light we have and take the step into the darkness of the unknown, we must believe that one of two things will happen. There will be something solid for us to stand on or we will be taught to fly. — Patrick Overton
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Suzy

Quote from: Robyn on May 11, 2007, 11:01:10 PM
Only 25 more days of being a youthful 69
Robyn, I love this attitude!

Kristi
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Christo

Quote from: Kristi on May 11, 2007, 11:04:38 PM
Quote from: Robyn on May 11, 2007, 11:01:10 PM
Only 25 more days of being a youthful 69
Robyn, I love this attitude!

Kristi



kristy's a hottie to.  her soul is beautiful as what she look like :) :) :)
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Suzy

Quote from: Hidrix on May 11, 2007, 11:50:13 PM
kristy's a hottie to.  her soul is beautiful as what she look like :) :) :)

Than's one of the nicest things anyone's ever said to me.  I may just have to join that dance!



Kristi
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katia

Quote from: Lori on May 10, 2007, 08:33:07 PM
No, last time I went out, men began clawing out their eyes and women were slipping in the juice from the leaking eyeballs clawed out by those desperate hands.

The sight of me will spawn legends and myths of a beast that terrorized a hapless town. A he/she/it thing that was so hideous to look at my entire blood line was sought out and destroyed so my ugliness could not infect the world.


My beauty inside has turned black and vile from those that have shunned me for not having any exterior beauty. I have taken that hatred and turned it in and absorbed it in such quantities that if it were to leak it out,  it would make a Paris Hilton.

Vanity is stupid, seriously. All women are vain to a point or there would be no cosmetics or heels. But to answer a thread such as this one would have to take either a sense of humor side or go to the other side and be mean.


Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What I find beautiful may be ugly to somebody else. True beauty comes from within. This thread should be locked for stupidity.

Just because you look so good on the outside doesn't mean you are beautiful. Could mean you are just a pretty Bitch.




i'm only interested on what the topic of this thread asks. so i have crossed out the rubbish.  let's leave the crying and moaning for our therapists.  i dont want to hear it nor am i forcing anyone to post on this thread.  if you're not able to post constructive criticism on a thread, move on. plain and simple.  period.
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Emerald

Quote from: Katia on May 12, 2007, 03:44:36 PM
i'm only interested on what the topic of this thread asks. so i have crossed out the rubbish.  let's leave the crying and moaning for our therapists.  i dont want to hear it nor am i forcing anyone to post on this thread.  if you're not able to post constructive criticism on a thread, move on. plain and simple.  period.

In response to Katia's call for constructive criticism:

Oh, I don't know about that Katia, I think Lori made some very important points in her post.
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True beauty comes from within. [...] Just because you look so good on the outside doesn't mean you are beautiful.
I'm apt to agree with the idea that beauty is only skin deep.
Inner beauty is infinitely more important than outer beauty in my life philosophy.
In the Southern USA we a fine old saying - "Pretty is as pretty does."

Beauty, once again, is in the eye of the beholder.
-Emerald  :icon_mrgreen:
Androgyne.
I am not Trans-masculine, I am not Trans-feminine.
I am not Bigender, Neutrois or Genderqueer.
I am neither Cisgender nor Transgender.
I am of the 'gender' which existed before the creation of the binary genders.
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Jeannette

Quote from: EmeraldBeauty, once again, is in the eye of the beholder.
-Emerald 

Very true.  Beauty is subjective. The hypothesis I kind of favour for this is that we are instantly attracted to certain people based on characteristics that we subconsciously or consciously look for. One explanation is that our genes may drive us to appreciate one look after another in an attempt to limit our affections to a reasonable pool of partners. This would tie into our affinity for pair-bonding, ensuring that a couple stays together simply because there would be less of a chance of a random stranger catching the eye of one or the other. It focuses the attention on the other person. It cuts down unnecessary competition. There is also the school of thought that beauty is a cultural phenomenon, that we come to associate certain traits with beauty that may or may not be shared with people from other cultures.
However, beauty also is limited to appearance, and beauty might be an indicator of physical health, but we are social creatures. Anyone of any aesthetics may be completely alienating in their interpersonal relations. We are complex animals and the appreciation for beauty is something that is sparked by the senses, not by higher thinking. Someone who is beautiful may be smart and nice, but not any more often than someone who is not beautiful.

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Keira

#37
I think its desingenous to disregard beauty and attractiveness in a social settings. There's been plenty of studies stating its advantage; and my purely anectodal observations bear this out.

Of course, if your a beautiful [idiot], you may run into problems, but people will still give you more leway than someone less attractive. Its a fact that people right away assign good qualities to a more attractive person. That's why beauty, attractiveness often go hand in hand with charisma; you've already have a leg up, if you've got the attitude to exploit this favorable bias people have for you, you are set!! All of this is a sad but true fact. We can moan about the unfairness of such a thing, but who said life was fair...

The whole inner beauty smaltz for me sounds a bit like sour grapes. Like beautiful people somehow where more [idiots], or duplicitous than average and the way to compete with them is to be a better person!!!

Maybe people are just tired of the favorable bias that exists for them (assuming they are not [idiots]) and people wished they'd start on a level playing field with the all the rest.







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tinkerbell

Let me be serious now, and I am sorry Katia if you find my comments to be rubbish. ::)  FYI beauty is all around us, it's environmental.  Take a look at a blossoming flower and tell me if it isn't beautiful, or a butterfly that is coming out of its pupa, or a newborn's litte eyes or soft skin.  All you have to do is to wake up in a sunny day and look at the sun when it first rises, this is true beauty IMO, and not  some silicone-filled woman with a face made up like a circus clown or some handsome weirdo with a fat bank account.

tink :icon_chick:
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cindianna_jones

And that is why I'm beautiful!  ... because of the butterflies!  Fer real.

Cindi
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