How long are the people in this thread who are hiding their breasts going to carry taking HRT and living as men? sooner of later you have got to make a decision and go one way or the other?

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on September 14, 2012, 04:55:01 AM
How long are the people in this thread who are hiding their breasts going to carry taking HRT and living as men? sooner of later you have got to make a decision and go one way or the other?

Actually no, not if one doesn't want to and definitely not to suit the wishes of others! It's called freedom, something we all have here on this side of the pond!

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on September 14, 2012, 04:55:01 AM
How long are the people in this thread who are hiding their breasts going to carry taking HRT and living as men? sooner of later you have got to make a decision and go one way or the other?

I actually enjoy my androgyny, and ability to be one or the other or indeterminate as suits my mood. That is different from what you need, but it is great fun for me.

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on September 14, 2012, 04:55:01 AM
How long are the people in this thread who are hiding their breasts going to carry taking HRT and living as men? sooner of later you have got to make a decision and go one way or the other?

Some of us are non-binary - what decision should we make?

In my case I take HRT for the mental effects - it stops the intense dysphoria attacks and allows me to live my normal boy life. I'm bigender so I do have a female gender and she likes the physical changes so it's not all bad. I live my life mostly in boy mode so hiding my breasts in boy mode is just something that i have to do.

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on September 14, 2012, 04:55:01 AM
How long are the people in this thread who are hiding their breasts going to carry taking HRT and living as men? sooner of later you have got to make a decision and go one way or the other?

Hi Naturally.

I'm not posting this to be contentious.  So if you or anyone else reads it and disagrees, please understand that it's my view of my country and society.  There is no need to respond or comment.

I am slowly approaching a point to come out, but on a schedule that suits my needs.  These breasts are rarely tightly covered or bound to hide them unless I'm around my sons, their friends, or my relatives.  And even that cover-up will end soon. 

The HB Standards of care are more lightly applied here in the US, and that has allowed so many of us to adapt to our gender in a very humanistic way.  I am so very grateful that I live in a country where medicical care has progressed to address our individual rights, and the rights of the transsexual/transgender community at large.  We have our problems, and I'm sure our community will have far greater difficulty negotiating the rules that the new National Health Laws are going to impose.  It will limit access to more expensive medications, and prioritize medical procedures to the detriment of transwomen and men.  But at least we can still find so very many ways to be treated with dignity and respect by medical professionals.  Yes I had trouble finding my way through the medical maze to the proper doctors, but they are here, and they are compassionate.

You should visit this place sometime because I think you'd be surprised by the people now.  There is still a lot of prejudice against trans individuals, and I personally will never vacation in the deep south, or try to live in the Bible Belt.  Yeah, we screw things up once in a while, and we are far from perfect.  But the US is populated by more open minded people than it is by hard core bigots, cowboys and thugs.  I do love the various cultures, history and people of the English Commonwelth, and EU specifically, but also those of most nations in this world in general.  However, there is still no substitute for the freedoms and diversity I enjoy here.  And it's unfortunate that others don't have the same opportunities and freedom.

Maybe I shouldn't have posted this, and all should probably have gone to a different thread somewhere.   

Kathy

Quote from: kathy b on September 14, 2012, 10:55:18 AM
I do love the various cultures, history and people of the English Commonwelth, and EU specifically, but also those of most nations in this world in general.  However, there is still no substitute for the freedoms and diversity I enjoy here.  And it's unfortunate that others don't have the same opportunities and freedom.

Maybe I shouldn't have posted this, and all should probably have gone to a different thread somewhere.   

Kathy

Good post Kathy!

Kathy, you're entirely right to post that.  Indirectly your message is simply that we must all live where and how necessary to not endanger our lives and wellbeing and preferably not be miserable.  It is also often required when being considerate of the affects on family members within your family structure and in their community social circle.  This is entirely a logical, practical and fair way to proceed and the approach must be uniquely tailored to our individual situations.  It also applies to many other things completely unrelated to ->-bleeped-<- which are also used to marginalize people.

Quote from: riven1 on September 14, 2012, 09:13:29 AM
In my case I take HRT for the mental effects - it stops the intense dysphoria attacks and allows me to live my normal boy life. I'm bigender so I do have a female gender and she likes the physical changes so it's not all bad. I live my life mostly in boy mode so hiding my breasts in boy mode is just something that i have to do.

Quote from: GendrKweer on September 14, 2012, 08:09:33 AM
I actually enjoy my androgyny, and ability to be one or the other or indeterminate as suits my mood. That is different from what you need, but it is great fun for me.

So similar replies to my last post and some have expressed their wishes to stay male and take HRT? You grow boobs and then you want to hide them?

Some of us are serious about our transition and it's not 'great fun for me'. How about looking at it from my side of things where I have the opposite problem. My boobs are too small and I feel very insecure as a woman because of this.

Its not up to me to judge their lifestyle.  I might not understand why someone would take hormones and not want the effect they produce, but it is their life.

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on September 14, 2012, 04:33:55 PM
My boobs are too small and I feel very insecure as a woman because of this.

Oh sweetie, the breasts don't make the woman. A generous heart, a caring soul, pride in appearance and presentation, and a gusto for life, those are the kinds of things that make the woman.

You are all the woman you need to be.

There are some trans people that aren't all that keen on getting a divorce and trashing their families and friends for the sake of a 100% MtF or FtM transition. Some TG types know in their heart of hearts that they would never pass under any circumstances. Others realize that they could risk their income and experience untold personal loss of home and property working in a conservative business environment, and no doubt there are a number of other reasons why some prefer an androgynous presentation. I find it difficult to believe that people who are uptight about negative comments usually made by CIS people would do the exact same thing to other transgendered people. It smacks of a kind of sickening self righteousness and a willful refusal to understand and to give other types their due respect as they themselves expect to be treated. Once again, that sort of behavior reminds me of the film "Mean Girls" and leads me to think that perhaps some haven't made it past high school yet! Not pis**d, just sharing something I've observed in this thread!

I think it would be good at this point to leave this topic to those people wanting to discuss how best to hide their breasts, which was its original purpose.

If you want to discuss why people want to do that, start a new topic, please. People have come here to get information, not to have their motives questioned.

It is not in the spirit of this site to demand that people justify the direction or extent of their transitions, or how they're going about that.

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on September 14, 2012, 04:33:55 PM
So similar replies to my last post and some have expressed their wishes to stay male and take HRT? You grow boobs and then you want to hide them?

Some of us are serious about our transition and it's not 'great fun for me'. How about looking at it from my side of things where I have the opposite problem. My boobs are too small and I feel very insecure as a woman because of this.

Obviously this thread does not relate to you, or your situation. It does however relate to mine and I do not want to come here for advice and read your posts criticizing my choices and my life. If you do not agree with what we are doing than just leave this thread alone. Please, let us discuss this in peace.

About using a binder;

I would not recommend it to an mtf. Using binders, over time will make your breasts less dense, therefore makes them look squished and saggy.
For an ftm who hates his breasts and wants them gone, messing them up like that ain't such a big deal.

But I'd assume you girls don't want squished, saggy boobies; a my right?

Go with a tight sports bra. And layer shirts.
Using lots of patterns on your shirt helps too.
Stripes help a lot in my opinion.

Just tried 3 and they were too constricting, so loose shirts and tees will do for now.  But I want to come out to my sons, brothers and sisters in November, and then I start wearing a bra.  Only have one now, and so I need to find a few more to fit my odd shape.  I'm overweight but loosing a lot, and somewhat busty but saggy and widely spaced. 

K

Quote from: Jayr on September 14, 2012, 08:05:37 PM
About using a binder;

I would not recommend it to an mtf. Using binders, over time will make your breasts less dense, therefore makes them look squished and saggy.
For an ftm who hates his breasts and wants them gone, messing them up like that ain't such a big deal.

But I'd assume you girls don't want squished, saggy boobies; a my right?

Go with a tight sports bra. And layer shirts.
Using lots of patterns on your shirt helps too.
Stripes help a lot in my opinion.

No squishy, saggy Cooper's droopers puleeze! Check out Rhonda Shear bras, she has a variety that work well with sizes for everyone. I own half a dozen, they wear well under T - Shirts!

Quote from: Shantel on September 14, 2012, 08:49:40 PM
No squishy, saggy Cooper's droopers puleeze! Check out Rhonda Shear bras, she has a variety that work well with sizes for everyone. I own half a dozen, they wear well under T - Shirts!

Will they keep them closer together, and lift them up at the same time?

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on September 14, 2012, 04:33:55 PM
So similar replies to my last post and some have expressed their wishes to stay male and take HRT? You grow boobs and then you want to hide them?

Some of us are serious about our transition and it's not 'great fun for me'. How about looking at it from my side of things where I have the opposite problem. My boobs are too small and I feel very insecure as a woman because of this.

Judge much? I just spent 20k all up on SRS surgery, dear; I'm as serious as , well, an SRS. I identify as a female, but like a good number of cisfemales I know (including the one to whom I'm married), I like to push boundaries of gender. Your way is not the only way.

Quote from: GendrKweer on September 15, 2012, 12:26:03 AM
Judge much? I just spent 20k all up on SRS surgery, dear; I'm as serious as , well, an SRS. I identify as a female, but like a good number of cisfemales I know (including the one to whom I'm married), I like to push boundaries of gender. Your way is not the only way.

Ditto that! I live in Washington state where a vast number of cis females dress androgynously most of the time, jeans and blouse or T, sweater or hoodie. Some even dress like loggers, so for the most part I fit in just perfectly. Dresses and heels are viewed as either work place, party or special occasion attire generally. Cis woman are liberated and self assured enough to be able to be comfortable in non-gender specific presentation. Personal comfort being the key. They don't have to try hard to impress others that they are women because they are, and they are quite self assured about it.

I wonder if tight sports bras will have a detrimental effect on breast growth or appearce? It seems to me the human body is pretty susceptible to compressing forces shaping it, so does anyone have much insight of this?