Quote from: Queen Erika on October 13, 2011, 11:52:33 PM
Yeah, I just see it as people entitled to ignorant opinions, and they'll wallow in their own idiocy until they become more conscious of their actions. I'd prefer to educate people and respectfully tell them that what they're doing hurts a lot of people, and if they continue with their ignorant speech out of spite then someone should have a right to shut them down.
No one has the right to shut anyone down if their actions does not constitute an illegal action. Your argument is just but it is very flawed. Let me explain:
A fundamentalist Religious person is elected as President. The House Majority are all Conservatives. Based on their philosophies and belief system we (as LGBT people) are a trite and sin against God. Based on your arguments, they will prefer to educate us and respectfully tell us that what we are doing hurts a lot of people. If we continue to be "Queer" then someone should have the right to shut us down.
Gets scary when you limit censorship and put conditions on it.
QuoteBecause there's a line between saying something hurtful and not realizing it, and just being an >-bleeped-<. And again, with the amount of people in these Facebook groups, it's hard to actually shut people down like that, so you've gotta know when to walk away from the situation and realize it's outta control.
If it's out of control then that is purely based on your beliefs and convictions. What can be "out of control" for you may not be "out of control" for others.
QuoteThere's also a difference between being offended on someone's behalf and being emotionally triggered. I'm offended by rape jokes. But if a rape victim were to hear a rape joke, I imagine the emotional impact would be much worse. And they don't deserve that pain, and they should be able to use Facebook just like the rest of us without having to worry about being triggered by that sort of thing. The same situation could happen with someone making a transphobic joke page. Then I would be triggered, I would hate going on Facebook out of fear of witnessing that again, I would lose touch with many of my cisgendered friends, miss out on events (some of which are at our local LGBT centre, which definitely boost my morale), and everything would just suck.
You have the right to simply not visit the page that is offensive. That is your right and no one can make you or force you to visit that page. If you fear going to Facebook because you will physically click on the page that is offensive and then it messes you up and puts your life in a bind then you need reflect on why you have the need to actually visit the page that is offensive just to get offended.
I was raped my first year of college. I know what a rape victim goes through. Trust me. But you wont see me clicking on pages that makes fun of rape. Good Lord, why would I do that?
While I do not agree that joking about rape is funny, I still hold to the truths and freedoms of free speech. It is tragic what happened to me but if I start to press on limiting the rights of those who offends me, then where would we draw the line? Under whose moral authority shall we look to in determining who has the freedom to speak what is on their mind who cannot?
When you start to draw up limitations of free speech based upon offensiveness and trauma, then we will no longer have freedom and everything this country has stood for will fall to pieces.
You say they should limit freedom based on trauma if someone goes to the page and reads it? What say you if a Conservative religious group says any form of LGBT relationships traumatzes us...including hand hold, kissing, or talking about Marriage. Would you then be privy and accepting to the fact that you can no longer talk about yourself in any public forum because someone is offended or traumatize about seeing a transsexual? Or seeing it on a page?
QuoteI could talk to the people who made the page and tell them that they need to take it down, but if their attitude, much like the general population's would be, "It's free speech, if you don't like it, don't look at it", then Facebook is basically protecting something that is literally harming people. I don't want to have to constantly tweak the security on my news feed just to chat with my friends without seeing pages made in offensively poor taste.
And they would be right. It is free speech. If you do not like it, then don't look at it. No one is forcing you to click on their link and reading their jokes.
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