What is the order you've had FFS?

[melissa90299]

Actually, you get what you need, I put out $32k, did everything that DR O recommended except a facelift, which I still may have, I need one, my gender is never questioned either, even with a marginal voice. and being six foot.

And now with my BA and GRS, I will even pass nude in the locker room/ LOL

BTW I am  only one of three patients that Dr O did not recommend a rhino and I was close to passable before FFS.

Also, I feel that people who are going to display phenomenal results on the FFS forum should be prepared to illuminate the group as to who helped them achieve such great results.

If you look at Doug Ousterhout's work, most don't look like supermodels, his goal is for his patients to achieve femininity.

Posted on: July 22, 2007, 09:53:51 PM

You get what you pay for. Mine was 64k but my gender is never questioned.

OMG!  $64k ?  Wow!  I'm hoping that I can scrape up $10k for mine in Thailand.
For $64k in Thailand I could get a whole new everything.

You must have gone to the very best of the best in the states.

My thoughts on that is that I only want the very best messing with my face. I "shopped" Thailand for FFS and decided to go with Dr. O. but there are options, Suporn is good for FFS, I heard but he is up there price wise with Doug.

[Keira]

There's a limit to what surgery can do in the jaw and chin especially, because of nerve placement and limits posed by inner mouth structures. Also, since they cannot really change the upper jaw, there's an esthetic limit to what can be done to the lower jaw so it looks all right.

If you shortened chin too much, the upper lip area will look quite strange in proportion even with a lip lift. Reducing brow bossing radically for some leads to a low nose bridge which works esthetically on some, and not on others. If your jaw juts forward from the top of your skull (somewhat frequent in males), no FFS will be able to entirely fix it (since the upper jaw position will limit how much the lower jaw can move).

In general, an attractive man, will make an attractive woman without FFS and even more so with FFS. Esthetically, men that are seen as more beautiful have slight more feminine faces than the average men (Orlando Bloom, Jude Law, Brad Pitt, DiCaprio, most of Hollywood leading men!)

[melissa90299]

There's a limit to what surgery can do in the jaw and chin especially, because of nerve placement and limits posed by inner mouth structures. Also, since they cannot really change the upper jaw, there's an esthetic limit to what can be done to the lower jaw so it looks all right.

If you shortened chin too much, the upper lip area will look quite strange in proportion even with a lip lift. Reducing brow bossing radically for some leads to a low nose bridge which works esthetically on some, and not on others. If your jaw juts forward from the top of your skull (somewhat frequent in males), no FFS will be able to entirely fix it (since the upper jaw position will limit how much the lower jaw can move).

In general, an attractive man, will make an attractive woman without FFS and even more so with FFS. Esthetically, men that are seen as more beautiful have slight more feminine faces than the average men (Orlando Bloom, Jude Law, Brad Pitt, DiCaprio, most of Hollywood leading men!)

I would agree with that, it is certainly true in my case MY Buddhist teaching doesn't allow me to dwell on it, but I still look at that really pretty/handsome 17 year old in my high scoool photo and wonder what if? OTOH I am truly grateful to be where I am today, I am still lying in my hospital bed, a couple days away from unveiling the new me to the world. I will arrive back in San Francisco, a day before my 59th birthday...all my surgeries have wound up as birthday or Christmas gifts to myself.

[lisagurl]

There's a limit to what surgery can do in the jaw and chin especially, because of nerve placement and limits posed by inner mouth structures. Also, since they cannot really change the upper jaw, there's an esthetic limit to what can be done to the lower jaw so it looks all right.

If you shortened chin too much, the upper lip area will look quite strange in proportion even with a lip lift. Reducing brow bossing radically for some leads to a low nose bridge which works esthetically on some, and not on others. If your jaw juts forward from the top of your skull (somewhat frequent in males), no FFS will be able to entirely fix it (since the upper jaw position will limit how much the lower jaw can move).

In general, an attractive man, will make an attractive woman without FFS and even more so with FFS. Esthetically, men that are seen as more beautiful have slight more feminine faces than the average men (Orlando Bloom, Jude Law, Brad Pitt, DiCaprio, most of Hollywood leading men!)

I would agree with that, it is certainly true in my case MY Buddhist teaching doesn't allow me to dwell on it, but I still look at that really pretty/handsome 17 year old in my high scoool photo and wonder what if? OTOH I am truly grateful to be where I am today, I am still lying in my hospital bed, a couple days away from unveiling the new me to the world. I will arrive back in San Francisco, a day before my 59th birthday...all my surgeries have wound up as birthday or Christmas gifts to myself.

What doctor?, Harper.

[melissa90299]

I think it is rude and an invasion of privacy to refer to someone by a name other than the one that is currently being used.

[Hypatia]

i have heard people say that "beautiful" people have a perfectly symmetrical face.

mine, of course, is crooked as hell.

Actress Ellen Barkin got rave reviews for looking sexy with a crooked face.

[Berliegh]

Like Christine, I am not very passable without a lot of makeup and even though I go light with it, it still helps to bring out my feminesse. Fortunately my adam's apple doesn't protrude much, so I don't think that a tracheal shave will be nessessary.

Gina 

I never wear make up....hate it....I prefer a clear complexion which looks far more natural.

[Dorothy]

I am also considering Argentina: http://www.genderways.com/en/N2/facial_feminization.htm

I am from Argentina.  Dr. Marcello DiMaggio is one of the best FFS surgeons in the world trained in the best medical schools in the States and Europe.  His fees are very affordable.  My roommate just had FFS (the works) with him and she paid the equivalent of $11,000.  She had inquired on prices outside Argentina, sent pics of herself to get virtual examples.  One very famous FFS surgeon in the States gave her an estimate of $38,000 for the same kind of work she had done here with Dr. DiMaggio, big difference in price.

[tarasita]

Hi Pia

I am so glad you brought this up. I have been in touch with Genderways myself and the quote was very affordable compared to others.

When I was young I was very passable, even without makeup. However now that I am nearing 50 and my face has lost a lot of it's firmness, it has (in my opinion) a more masculine look to it.

If you are uncertain as to what to do with your face in terms of FFS, don't worry! The surgeons are very experienced and will recommend the procedures they think you will benefit from. Personally I wouldn't want to do anything drastic. The guys at work know what I look like and know that I have been considering a "face lift" and I'm sure that the lift would camouflage the other changes I do.

[gothique11]

I keep seeing how beautiful everyone looks with FFS. I wanna look that way. Everyone here (locally, all of my t-friends, non-t friends, and so on) things I'm completely insane. All of them say, "Are you kidding me? WTF are they going to do?" I get a lot of people who just keep telling me that I'm lucky and they wish they had what I had, which feels weird.

So, I don't know. I don't know if things are in my head or if people are just really nice. It gets confusing. I wonder if I can look really hot without FFS. *shurgs* I don't know. But wow people look awesome with it.

Then my friends turn around and talk about surgeries they want, or had, etc, etc. I kind of feel excluded. I look in the mirror and don't understand what they see...

Posted on: September 24, 2007, 08:04:13 PM

Like Christine, I am not very passable without a lot of makeup and even though I go light with it, it still helps to bring out my feminesse. Fortunately my adam's apple doesn't protrude much, so I don't think that a tracheal shave will be nessessary.

Gina 

I never wear make up....hate it....I prefer a clear complexion which looks far more natural.

I like make up for fun. I go out with it plenty of times, but it's fun for me to wear make up -- do cool things with eyeshadow, etc, etc.

Posted on: September 24, 2007, 08:06:07 PMI do need a hair cut -- that much I can tell you -- I'm getting pissed at several of my friends who keep saying they really, really want to do my hair but never do. Grrr! Why, oh why do they do this? They take forever and I just want it done.

[tinkerbell]

I was also checking out the website in Pia's quote.  For $11,000 I could go there too and have a number of procedures done.  Nevertheless I am a very skeptical person, and I was observing these photographs.....and....well....to me...they don't look like the same person.  Why?  because the neck and the ears (in both pictures) are different in size and shape.  So, since Pia is familiar with this surgeon, I would like to ask her where we can get information regarding recent results on different patients.  Hope you don't mind my asking, Pia.







tink

[lisagurl]

I was also checking out the website in Pia's quote.  For $11,000 I could go there too and have a number of procedures done.  Nevertheless I am a very skeptical person, and I was observing these photographs.....and....well....to me...they don't look like the same person.  Why?  because the neck and the ears (in both pictures) are different in size and shape.  So, since Pia is familiar with this surgeon, I would like to ask her where we can get information regarding recent results on different patients.  Hope you don't mind my asking, Pia.







tink

Tink, I met Amanda when I was at Suporn in Thailand. Those photos are then real person.

www.genderways.com

[tinkerbell]

Then I have to say that the results are amazing compared to many others that I have seen from prominent US surgeons.  As far as I know, FFS is supposed to "feminize" your face, so basically the patients end up looking like the female version of what they used to look prior to surgery.  There are several examples of what I mean here:

http://beginninglife.com/FFS.htm

However, in the case of Amanda, there's NO resemblance whatsoever between her post-op and pre-op photos. That's what I was getting at.


tink

[Keira]

The problem I often see is over operation, especially the jawline, I don't know why people want their jawline completely hacked away. Most beautiful women, including Grace Kelly (Tink will tell you :-), have substantial jawlines.

What's important to reduce is the chin height and round it up a bit , but there is a limit to what you can do because of the inner size of the mouth and the teeths.

The brow bossing is the most annoying male thing and that's the one I wanted to remove the most in me, and I did (I had type I, which is not that big).

[Hypatia]

The problem I often see is over operation, especially the jawline, I don't know why people want their jawline completely hacked away. Most beautiful women, including Grace Kelly (Tink will tell you :-), have substantial jawlines.

Because the large jaw is my main enemy, and no it is not comparable to Grace Kelly's at all. My brow is minimal and doesn't need any reduction. I have essentially no Adam's apple. For me it's all about the jaw and hairline (though I cover my hairline with scarves as a fashion statement). Last summer a woman told me that upon first meeting me she thought I was a regular woman and only found out I was trans when I stood up and said so. Then she thought to herself "So that explains the jaw."

The only actress I can think of with a prominent jaw is Fanny Ardant, but reviewers call her "beautiful" anyway.

Here a photographer is deliberately emphasizing it. What works for her is that her eyes and lips are strong enough to balance it--and what eyes!

The celebrity whose jaw, nose, and forehead most resemble mine is the singer Azam Ali.

My eyes are more symmetrical than hers, but I think my face is gradually starting to resemble hers, which is a comfort to me since I think she's absolutely gorgeous, even though I'll never be 1/10 as beautiful as her.

<sigh> I love brunettes.

[Dorothy]

I was also checking out the website in Pia's quote.  For $11,000 I could go there too and have a number of procedures done.  Nevertheless I am a very skeptical person, and I was observing these photographs.....and....well....to me...they don't look like the same person.  Why?  because the neck and the ears (in both pictures) are different in size and shape.  So, since Pia is familiar with this surgeon, I would like to ask her where we can get information regarding recent results on different patients.  Hope you don't mind my asking, Pia.

I don't mind at all.  I will get all of you the information.  I will phone my roommate and ask her.  I'm in New York visiting relatives so I dont have the infomation available with me right now.  Tink, he's for real & a good surgeon.  I've seen his work first hand & it's sorta miraculous.

[Hypatia]

Pia, please post the information or PM me. Thanks!

[Berliegh]

What is the order you've had FFS?

I have never had any FFS but I think I need it to my upper forehead...

Any advice from those who have already had FFS?

[Keira]

What do you mean upper forehead?
Advance the hairline or brow bossing shave?
I suppose brow bossing shave would be lower forehead.

[lisagurl]

What is the order you've had FFS?

I have never had any FFS but I think I need it to my upper forehead...

Any advice from those who have already had FFS?

To answer your question from PM those pictures are a quote from Tink.