Can a mtf vagina be really 'clocked'?

[bibilinda]

My neighbor has a Suporn vajayjay and she showed me. It was perfect. However things like her pelvis would get her clocked, not necessarily the operated part itself.

OMG such a witty and funny remark! I never heard the word "vajayjay" before, it is so funny! Do you know any other funny words that don't sound obscene or tasteless, for body parts? A thumbs up for that comment BTW, it really lightened up my day!

Cheers

Bibi

Note: I realize you posted the quoted reply on September 28, 2013, so I am not too hopeful about getting a response almost two years later lol

[doll89]

can you please elaborate on this?

that counting up with each other that will clock you

what does that mean counting up with each other? I am NOT saying that I disagree, I probably agree if you refer to the cumulative effect, but I am not certain I understood correctly.

Thanks

yes im from holland i dont know what cumulative means but i mean if you wouldnt have pics from your childhood, if you maybe have large feet or a small adamsapple or scar in that area, if they see you taking pills (hormones) and then spot a tiny scar or something different about your vagina, that all together might make him/her realize and clock you

[teresita]

oh, okay, thank you my Duth friend. Yes, you are totally right. I do not have adam's apple, luckily, but I get clocked by other things, for instance, I cannot put the finger on it, but when I watch myself in a video, total man.

[hvmatt]

In my day to day interactions most people dont notice or if they do dont care I suppose.Actually I dont think about it when I'm talking with someone so I probably dont know!As a 6 foot redhead I may be the elephant in the room but maybe I project something.I'm in a long term relationship so only my partner sees me intimately and they seem happy enough!It's just odd trying to relate passing priviledge to whats in your knickers.Like some other posters I would have to be open and honest with anyone in a new realtionship.I just have this mad image of ones partner whilst in the middle of his "vinegar strokes" stopping and heading downstairs with a magnifying glass and head torch just to check that all is ok with the good ship vjj. mmmmm.....................

[pretty pauline]

In my experience, not when it comes to Heterosexual Men.  I feel that most of them don't care or don't care enough to  know the difference.  They are so excited at the prospect of being with a woman sexually. 

I know my OBGYN in New York told me that my surgery looks incredibly authentic and so have my boyfriends.  I feel like we are our own worst enemy at times.  D:

Absolutely, my experience too, I remember a guy commenting  ''gosh you are a tight girl'' he was on the large size, some cis women vaginas can be tight, mine looks incredibly real and natural and my husband never complains, we are our own worse enemy.

[Blush]

Of course it can be clocked

[noleen111]

Well Mine has never been clocked. The first time I had sex with my current boyfriend, he just commented how tight my vagina was. He actually loves how tight I am and says its the best he has ever had the pleasure of entering.

HE says it looks like any other vagina he has seen before. I even get wet like cis-women do.

[Jenna Marie]

I'm sure it also depends on the vulva and vagina in question; hell, there are even cis women who report having their vagina "clocked."  If the question is "does it ever happen," clearly, the answer is yes. But if the question is "can there be such a thing as a neovagina/vulva that even an expert can't tell"... the answer is also yes.

[pretty pauline]

Of course it can be clocked

Have you experience being clocked, my own experience being told by a gyno many years ago, he was only able to tell by doing a very detailed examination on the vulva and vagina that I have a neovagina.

I'm sure it also depends on the vulva and vagina in question; hell, there are even cis women who report having their vagina "clocked."  If the question is "does it ever happen," clearly, the answer is yes. But if the question is "can there be such a thing as a neovagina/vulva that even an expert can't tell"... the answer is also yes.

I couldn't explain it better, thank you for that Jenna Marie.

[Laura_7]

OMG such a witty and funny remark! I never heard the word "vajayjay" before, it is so funny! Do you know any other funny words that don't sound obscene or tasteless, for body parts? A thumbs up for that comment BTW, it really lightened up my day!

You can try kitty...

Of course it can be clocked

Hm... this sounds like in theory it could...
in practise as others have said some gyns told its good, also due to variance.

hugs

[teresita]

women have their vaginas clocked? It sounds like a fabrication, to me. I have never, ever encountered in my whole life a genetic woman saying that a guy told them that their vagina looked like a post op vagina.

Of course, if it is complete butchery, it will be clocked. For instance, I have seen many, many vaginas done in Asia that literally looked like tucked up scrotum.

However, the point is that people get clocked by OTHER things, and once the OTHER details enter into the picture, the neo-vagina gets clocked automatically, but it is NEVER the neo-vagina to set the alarm off, so to speak, unless it is butchery.

[Jenna Marie]

Teresita : I've run across a handful of cis women who've said they had a guy be rude to them in that regard. (Basically, one-night stands where he says something afterward about how their vulva doesn't look "natural.") One was missing inner labia, which does happen in cis women but not everyone knows that; a couple more had had to be stitched up after childbirth and it left scars. Some guys are ignorant, is the lesson here.

Heck, I also knew a guy who said any woman who ever scratched her crotch had an STD, and the thing is a warm moist area is sometimes gonna be itchy...

I do agree with you overall that it's rarely the vulva and vagina that's the *first* thing to make a guy start wondering.

[Obfuskatie]

Teresita : I've run across a handful of cis women who've said they had a guy be rude to them in that regard. (Basically, one-night stands where he says something afterward about how their vulva doesn't look "natural.") One was missing inner labia, which does happen in cis women but not everyone knows that; a couple more had had to be stitched up after childbirth and it left scars. Some guys are ignorant, is the lesson here.

Heck, I also knew a guy who said any woman who ever scratched her crotch had an STD, and the thing is a warm moist area is sometimes gonna be itchy...

I do agree with you overall that it's rarely the vulva and vagina that's the *first* thing to make a guy start wondering.

Now I'm picturing Dr. Girlfriend from Venture Bros. scratching herself, during breakfast. Laughing and eating, not such a good combination...[emoji23]


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[noleen111]

honestly, I don't think the average guy will know any better, as long as he can put his manhood inside you.. he is cool. None of my sexual partners suspected a thing.

[2cherry]

Overal, the way we are clocked is because of our own insecurity and paranoia. That is the main clock signal we ourselves beam out.

I never had a guy clock my vag, because:

1. Guys don't stare at it. They rather avoid looking at it.
2. When up close, it's still dark. Scars can only be seen in daylight. Much light. No guy ever sees it.

I don't believe in the cumulative effect. I've seen cis-woman with a voice, size, height, and feet/hands of a crab fisher, and they never got clocked. Why? because NO-ONE expects a trans* person! no one is looking for it, it is only in our minds.

This whole clocking thing is mostly in the mind. Just drop it. If a guy/gal is having sex with you, enjoy it and don't worry so much. 

[januarysunshine]

Mine has never been clocked...speeding or otherwise.lol
Seriously, no man has ever ever said anything or noticed anything out of the ordinary, and with the exception of my first husband, none ever knew i was transgendered.
However, i do NOT sleep with or date "players"...ever. Those kinda guys watch way too much porn, screw anything that hops, skips or flies, and are way way too insecure with their own sexuality Not to be a danger to a trans woman. You could be the most passable 18yeat old post op but I'm pretty certain they would clock you. I mean, there are faint scars along the vag, and if you're hairless as is in vogue now, he might notice up close. Normal guys dont notice anything, and if you come at them in victorias secret angel wings and high heels, they'll be so busy thanking god that they wouldnt notice if you had three vags.lol
Player guys are very insecure and tend to be flighty, so you never know how they'd react if they discovered you were transgendered.
Anyways, I dont think medical people would clock you either. Vags come in so many styles that they cant tell one from another. I didnt know, but dr Menard gave me a faux cervix too so even a new gyno wouldnt know unless i told. Plus, if you ever feel insecure, you can say you had a vag rejuvenation...its big these days.
Thank god i'm old enough now i can say im post menopausal so no ovaries, etc. Very few look at me funny, cuz 40 is young for the pause, but truthfully everyone in my fam has had their hysto's very young because of cancer issues...so its very plausable for me to have had an early hysto too... Thats a good way to pad your medical file if you're a lady looking to stay stealth even with docs.

[Aimee]

This is a topic that has bothered me from day 1 post-op.

I had my GRS by Marci in San Mateo in 2011. 

When she did my pre surgery exam she had to look at "the thing" and she was like "Hmmm..  Yeah, this is going to be a challenge."

I had almost no donor material to start with.  It had shrank from years of HRT and disuse to being very small.  It wasn't much bigger than an enlarged clitoris.  She said she would do the best she could but she warned me the results would be sub-par.  What choice did I have?

Basically it doesn't even remotely look natural or normal.  I have no depth and it's so tight that it's impossible for me to have sex.  I'll never be able to have a sex with a man.  But that's ok, I dated the last one ever a few years ago.  He was such a jerk that I decided I'm better off becoming a lesbian.  (that's another issue I'm freaking out about)

I wasn't able to have the hair removed before surgery as it was strongly recommended to me to do.  I had no where to go to have it done and I was too embarrassed and too terrified of the pain (I had had some facial laser done and it HURT.  I had some electrolysis done in the 90's and it HURT.)

So now there's hair inside my vaginal cavity and it looks gross.  I have no clitoris visible, it's completely recessed deep inside of me.  I've just tried to pretend I don't know any of these things.  Now it's just a matter of I no longer have male parts and it's only a place to pee out of.  It really serves no other purpose for me.  I have no vulva either.  It just looks all wrong in every way.

A few days ago I decided I wanted to really look and see what it looks like so I took a little hair clipper and put a plastic guard on it and I trimmed all the hair very short and thankfully I didn't damage anything.  I put a leg up on the counter and got a handheld mirror and what I saw made me cry.  There's a hair lined cavern with three holes.  The top one looks like the remains of what was removed, if you know what I mean.  It's pretty obvious that it's not a normal or natural vagina and I would DIE if anyone would ever see it.  The guy I dated looked at it and he said "well, all vaginas are different." and that's all he would say.  We didn't have sex because he couldn't penetrate me, it's far too tight, it's painful to even put a finger in and even then it only has about an inch of depth.

I don't know if it can be "fixed" because there's nothing there to work with.  I'm afraid of surgery because it's scary.  And I'm afraid of dying in surgery or having that awake while under thing, or the pain and of course the expense and 4,000 mile round trip.  I won't fly and can't drive long distances so travel is a problem I don't know what to do about.  I supposed I could go Amtrak and do taxi's once I got there.  But still.  I'm don't know that I'll ever be able to have it fixed.

I'm afraid for medical people to ever see it.  And I'm afraid to try to date anyone.  I want to find a girl friend but I wouldn't want her to see it.  I'm afraid to TRY to find a girl friend because while I could get away with not coming out as ts, I couldn't ever explain my messed up vagina to her or anyone else, ever.

I'm relieved to be rid of the boy bits but I'm extremely sad and disappointed in the results of my surgery.

I wonder if anyone else has had a similar problem where their results were very disappointing initially but they were able to have it corrected by revisions? 

Thanks..

[mmmmm]

I'm sorry for what happened to you - a surgeon should make it clear what is possible to do and what isn't, and what can you realistically expect.
There are two options if there isn't a lot of penile skin available: IF a person have enough scortal skin available, it's ideal to perform non-penile-inversion, like dr. Suporn's technique. And if there is also lack of scrotal skin (reason longer time on hormones), the only solution would be sigmoid colon technique. The third option is to create a cosmetic-only SRS, and use the available tissue for outside apperance instead of neovaginal wall.

Your only solution (if you want to have a male partner) would be sigmoid-colon SRS revision. You should also ask about possible outside appearance correction, maybe there is something that could be done.

[Ms Grace]

 
Folks - need I remind you that this is a support site? Please understand that the way you might phrase your responses, even if they contain useful information may come across as unsupportive and even insulting.

[Laura_7]

First, have a *hug*

Well its good you are glad you no longer have male parts.

Considering hair, there are studies saying that tissue might turn into mucosa. So it might be possible some or a lot of it gets lost over a long time.
And there are revisions to get it off.

Concerning labia, quite a few people consider a second surgery to have more pronounced labia.

The position of the clit might also be changed then.

Concerning depth, there is either the sigmoid colon technique...
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,188226.msg1706134.html#msg1706134
but you might inquire with a few people who had this surgery, for experiences with each doctor.
There are groups on the internet.
There are quite a few points that might be considered imo...

or it might be possible some surgeons do a revision using skin grafts.

tmeltzer dot com/mtf-vaginal-deepening.html ( from one posting his price was quoted as lower as a full surgery)
and there should be others... an inquiry might be possible...

Here was a link to a surgeon in europe:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,169037.msg1478769.html#msg1478769
He made some revisions from other surgeons.
Just do your due diligence on each surgeon you consider...

You might contact a few surgeons and ask them of their opinion.
Its not that uncommon that people ask for a revision.


I'd say don't be afraid to travel... there are many people who do, and have successful results .

And the same for surgery... there are many now... its not a rare event any more...


hugs