Red Meat And Male Pattern Baldness

[georges]

If i never eat red meat again for the rest of my life,since it's a great source of testosterone or other similar testosterone sources like nuts,will i avoid male-pattern baldness in the further years?

Generally what's a good diet to follow in order to avoid such thing,because i'm really worried about this issue

[Sarah Louise]

I've eaten red meat for close to 70 years and have a full head of hair, down to my waist.

Eat what you will, baldness is genetic.

[georges]

I've eaten red meat for close to 70 years and have a full head of hair, down to my waist.

Eat what you will, baldness is genetic.

Then what can i do in order to avoid it as much as i can because i'm realy scared about it since both my dad and uncle suffered rapid hair-loss during their late 20s

[big kim]

Male pattern baldness is passed on by maternal grandfather not your dad so there's a good chance it won't affect you.

[dalebert]

Eat what you will, baldness is genetic.

This. Being female is about the only level of testosterone necessary to avoid it, or talk to your doctor about a finasteride prescription. That actually blocks the specific hormones associated with certain types of MPB without blocking other hormones associated with T. It works primarily as a preventative so earlier is better. I've been on it over 20 years.

Male pattern baldness is passed on by maternal grandfather not your dad so there's a good chance it won't affect you.

It's definitely possible to inherit it from your mother's side of the family. I think that's what you mean. The way genetics work, if your father has it, he will show it while your mom might have it but not show it, obviously since testosterone triggers it. You can get it from either side so it appears to be a dominant trait meaning you don't have to get it from both parents in order to express it yourself. Otherwise, having a non-bald father would practically ensure you wouldn't be bald. If both sides express it (men in your mom's immediate family) then your odds go way up. MPB is very common.

EDIT: I just recalled that I have heard that it may be attached to the X gene. If so, then you would inherit it only from your mother's side of the family because boys don't get an X gene from their dad. If so, then it's possible your mom has an MPB X-gene and a non-MPB X-gene and you still might not inherit it, even if men on her side of the family are bald.

[georges]

No,in my mom's family we didn't have any bald males from the latest generations. Actually they were no males in my mom's generation.The closest male member of my mom's family was my grandpa (her father) who had full hair in his 30s and by the time of his death at the age of 57 he had just less hair on the front of his scalp....not a full bald spot. He was a constructor btw. And i've heard various rumours that constructors,engineers or other people who do those kind of jobs are losing hair more easily than those who have a desk job (sounds logical to me)

So what?? Am i gonna be lucky?

Though i've got the impression that i've got a little bald spot at the top of my scalp and i'm asking people frequently about this but most of them they respond "no you are ok". Only a few of them mentioned "Yeah,just a tiny one". I'm very confused...

[dalebert]

Actually they were no males in my mom's generation. The closest male member of my mom's family was my grandpa (her father) who had full hair in his 30s and by the time of his death at the age of 57 he had just less hair on the front of his scalp....not a full bald spot.

Your mom could have the gene from either of her parents. The problem is it won't show because she's obviously not male and it's male-pattern baldness. Other closely-related males would just be a way of knowing if she is likely to have it. I don't know if it's scientifically confirmed that MPB is attached to the X gene though. They've learned a lot about the human genome in recent years so maybe they know. I haven't looked into it recently. If so, then seeing no MPB in males close to your mom would be a good sign.

[georges]

What can i say? MPB is a real big mystery and nobody knows the actual truth behind it. Most people claim that genetics is all about,other people claim,that it has to do with your diet,your environment,stress...or whatever.
I try to take as much examples as possible but i get confused at the end. For example i know a person who eats mostly Junk Food and he is in his late 20s now,yet his scalp is full of hair. But many people claim that bad food is one of the main causes of hair loss

[georges]

Also i'd like to find an accurate list with which foods contain more or less testosterone or estrogen levels.
I've really started to get scared what i must eat and what i shall not eat,because i'm really afraid of having my T levels rised up,and i want to drop them desperately.

For example i want to learn about green tea or coffee because i'veseen different opinions about them...like that green tea increases estro in males,or that green tea is used in anti-estro diet....it's kind of controversial.

Anyway the only things i know is that red meat increases your T level and lack of sleep drops your T level (i'm sleeping only 5-5,5 hrs per day)

What on earth can i do,because my biggest nightmare is to end up one day looking like a 40 yo bald guy but with those @#$%^& body & facial hair still be there when the hair on your scalp have gone....totally unfair isn't it?

[Kendall]

problem isn't in how much testosterone you have I think, rather genetics something about the more potent androgen, DHT Dihydrotestosterone levels.

I think its more genetic though you might be able to get a prescription DHT blockers, from a doctor. But if you ever stop, I think it will still happen.

You will have to consult a more medical options and doctor advice on that subject.

There might be some advice elsewhere on this site such as in the transitioning/hormone replacement therapy section of this site https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/board,42.0.html
or you might do a search on this site of "male pattern baldness" or "DHT"

Here also is the Susan's Wiki article concerning baldness https://www.susans.org/wiki/Baldness

[georges]

that's what i must do!!! but what shall i say to my doc? unfortunately most people see androgenic hair as "normal"...unless you have things like prostate cancer....whereas i don't

for God's sake!!! DHT seems more like a DESEASE to me that must be cured anyway. i really don't want my male characteristics if i'm supposed to lose my hair and maintain my body/facial hair. I'd prefer to TOTALLY LOSE my libido and sex drive and be hairless on my body/face and full of hair on my scalp!!!!!

Sorry if i sound like a weirdo but that's the way i feel

[Ms Grace]

If i never eat red meat again for the rest of my life,since it's a great source of testosterone or other similar testosterone sources like nuts,will i avoid male-pattern baldness in the further years?

Generally what's a good diet to follow in order to avoid such thing,because i'm really worried about this issue

As a vegetarian of 27 years I can say not eating red meat makes no difference - under the wig I wear I'm very thin up top. My hugely carnivorous brother on the other hand, not at all. He drew a few different straws in the genetic lottery. Using DHT blockers (Finasteride) and/or topical applications (minoxidil) will potentially slow hair loss if it is a genetic predisposition for you.

[georges]

As a vegetarian of 27 years I can say not eating red meat makes no difference - under the wig I wear I'm very thin up top. My hugely carnivorous brother on the other hand, not at all. He drew a few different straws in the genetic lottery. Using DHT blockers (Finasteride) and/or topical applications (minoxidil) will potentially slow hair loss if it is a genetic predisposition for you.

Well i'm very shy to say it but i started developing body hair on my SHOULDERS by the age of 18! and i found it really weird (yet my dad had,even in his back). I started developing more thick chest hair too by the age of 16-17. I shave them constantly of course,but yet i feel scared about the rumours that if you have more body hair,then there are more posibilities to lose your hair. Now i'm 23 and i cannot imagine how i would look like if i've never shaved my body. i believe that i might end up looking like a lycanthrope.

I'd like to ask if is it common to develop hair on your shoulders? i find it really scary and weird and i'm very shy every time i have to say it.

Yet my doctor would accept to give me a prescription about this since i don't have a "serious" (sic) matter.

[Ms Grace]

Level of testosterone doesn't equate with sensitivity to DHT, the version of T that can cause male pattern baldness. Hair growth on the body is likewise a genetic factor but also influenced by T. Again, red meat plays no part. Chances are you'd introduce more plant based estrogens into your system (through soy products, for example) but in my experience they make a minimal difference to your body/head hair.

[georges]

Level of testosterone doesn't equate with sensitivity to DHT, the version of T that can cause male pattern baldness. Hair growth on the body is likewise a genetic factor but also influenced by T. Again, red meat plays no part. Chances are you'd introduce more plant based estrogens into your system (through soy products, for example) but in my experience they make a minimal difference to your body/head hair.

anyway,first of all i'm gonna find out how much DHT my body has. I've read that normal is 0.2-0.9 ng/ml in men...so if in case i have more than that can i convince my doc to get me a prescripsion?

[Ms Grace]

My understanding is that it's not so much the level of it, but your sensitivity to it. Could be wrong. My testosterone has always been lowish, presumably DHT too, but I was just very sensitive to it. Never tried the remedies before it was too late to do much.

[georges]

My understanding is that it's not so much the level of it, but your sensitivity to it. Could be wrong. My testosterone has always been lowish, presumably DHT too, but I was just very sensitive to it. Never tried the remedies before it was too late to do much.

what do you mean by sensitive?

[Ms Grace]

I should say "if your hair is more sensitive to DHT", meaning the follicles are more likely to shut down sooner, or be choked off. It's like some people are more sensitive to certain foods or smells or whatever, that others just shrug off. Our body functions are just as prone to internal and external influences, sometimes we're more sensitive to some chemicals/hormones than others.

I should say, I'm no expert, just stating what I understand to be the case based on what I've been told and read from various sources over the years. Happy to be corrected.

[georges]

I should say "if your hair is more sensitive to DHT", meaning the follicles are more likely to shut down sooner, or be choked off. It's like some people are more sensitive to certain foods or smells or whatever, that others just shrug off. Our body functions are just as prone to internal and external influences, sometimes we're more sensitive to some chemicals/hormones than others.

I should say, I'm no expert, just stating what I understand to be the case based on what I've been told and read from various sources over the years. Happy to be corrected.

i see...thanks anyway. hope i'm not as CURSED as i believe and save my hair before they are gone.

DHT-blockers will block my body hair too,at least by some degree?

[dalebert]

Certain hairs in your head can be more sensitive. That's why when they do transplants, they take follicles from the back and/or sides and replant them up top. DHT is the trigger but the cells in the follicles are what's different in MPB. Suppressing DHT with drugs like finasteride is one way of preventing to some degree.