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Male Loneliness

Started by Nygeel, October 06, 2014, 06:53:03 PM

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Nygeel

This is sort of a complex topic that I might not be able to clearly start off. Hopefully everybody gets the idea.

Before I physically transitioned (hormones) I had what I thought were a good couple of friends. Some stuff happened, things didn't work out and I'm no longer friends. When I started to be seen as male I noticed it was more difficult to meet new people. I felt there was distance when I would try to talk to new people.

I recognize that it's mostly from being seen as male and people being somewhat uncomfortable around men. Has anybody else recognized or felt this?
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Blue Senpai

After high school, it becomes way more difficult to make new friends since most have their own clique by then to fall back on and don't really want new friends. I don't have to be pre-T to experience this, it can't be any more different once I start T this week.
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Matthew

I know how you feel and it sucks.

I've got all female friends, because my school is girls only.
I have had opportunities to make male friends, but I'm intimidated by them, because they'll know I'm not cis male and that makes me a lot different from them, however much I want us to be the same.

Being trans* and especially in early transition is so hard to make friends, for me at least because I almost feel in between genders and it's almost impossible to relate to either gender.

I am not female, never have been, but right now I feel too early in transition to feel fully male and for other people to see me like that.
But, that's just how I feel.
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Edge

The opposite happened for me. I got more friends as a guy then when I was pretending to be a woman. This could coincide with going to university though.
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Kreuzfidel

Quote from: Edge on October 06, 2014, 07:26:17 PM
The opposite happened for me. I got more friends as a guy then when I was pretending to be a woman. This could coincide with going to university though.

This is my experience, though I'm well beyond Uni years.

People who seek me out to talk to me now wouldn't have (I'm certain of it) if I were as I was pre-T.
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Liam Erik

I think I'm better off now too.  I have no ability to make friends either way, so there's that, but at least now I'm smiley and harmless-looking.  Before transition I was completely unapproachable.  People were afraid of me in high school without my having done anything to earn it. 
"Never give in! Never give in! Never, never, never -- in nothing great or small, large or petty. Never give in, except to convictions of honour and good sense."
-Sir Winston Churchill
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Ayden

I'm in a weird place in that I can only make friends with other foreigners here and I refuse to do that. It's hard enough being of a questionable sex visually and the only white person for miles. I don't need the added pressure of being one of "those foreigners".

I have noticed that after uni  I stopped having friends. I have work associates and people that I'll stop and chat with, but I wouldn't call any of them friends. I don't really know how to go about it either. I'm not single so hitting up bars isn't an option, I don't like most people that me or my husband work with, either. At least, not enough to actually go have a few drinks and shoot the breeze. Most people I knew I knew from school and from work. Now though, it's different. It's hard to make friends with people since I don't want to be lumped into the "foreigner" category any more than I am. I don't even really know how to make friends online. I grew up in the Internet age but separate from it.

I have noticed that I have more people who talk to me, but it could be my visible status as different or that I'm just more confident and happy looking.

I know it isn't the same, but honestly I can't even imagine how I'm gonna make friends when I come back stateside. It'll be stressful at best.
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NathanielM

Quote from: Edge on October 06, 2014, 07:26:17 PM
The opposite happened for me. I got more friends as a guy then when I was pretending to be a woman. This could coincide with going to university though.

I also have that experience. Except I was already in college, I think it might be because I'm simply not trying to communicate through a facade anymore. Makes making friends a lot easier. I've also got more confidence. I don't think I'll ever be a social butterfly, but since coming out I do find socializing a lot easier.
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Susan

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Jaded Jade

Making friends takes repeated social interactions, finding a good hobby might help.

Maybe a local maker space if you are into that sort of thing, or a beer brewing club, LARP group, or so on.  All fun things that have you out with other people with a shared interest doing goofy stuff, talking, and maybe sharing food and beer.

As a guy I always found it easiest to make new friends when out and doing stuff that I wanted to do anyway.  After university, that just hanging out and doing what we love time can evaporate on us.  And the people that we have to be with at work replace the people that we chose to be with in school. 


- Jaded Jade
- JJ
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Arch

I had great success with one of my local gay groups. Of course, if you are straight, this advice is not so useful.

I would find a hobby-related group or three. Model airplanes, graphic novels, whatever trips your trigger.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Nygeel

I feel like I'm being misunderstood here. I guess I didn't explain myself properly.

I feel that people keep their distance or are afraid to talk to me since I started to be seen as male. It's not specifically about making friends, more about the feeling of distance between myself and others.
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Arch

Ah. I felt alienated for quite some time because I was unsure of myself. Not now. And other people do not seem to be alienated from me, although women are sometimes wary.

However, I miss the intimacy of my old relationship. Friendships are not the same.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Jaded Jade

Ahh, I said it wrong, my pesky MTA perspective screwed it up...  lol

For me E&AA's are making it easier to be open and have a more rich emotional life.  So I was not writing to your situation correctly.

A little more on the friendship side, because I'll need to reference it to try and answer your question, and the barriers are real, and similar social rules apply to dealing with strangers, co-workers, and acquaintances as making new friends:

When dealing with cis-guys there is always a front until there is a decent level of friendship.  It can be lowered from doing things in a group and mutual respect for each others skills and mutual love of a thing.  That I think is why everyone is listing hobbies and interests.  Socially share your love of things with others who like it too and build from there.

Making female friends is going to be trickier and since I am MAAB, I am not sure if I can answer that one for you.  I am sure others here can.  The female friends I have acquired over the years usually have been friends of friends that I met socially, I suspect the typical ways women make friends are going to work if they perceive you as a straight male.  Only now that I have a wife and kids does it seem that I can get past the social barriers on that one, if I talk about my family it is clear that I have no interest in pursuing them, then I can have a real conversation with less difficulty.  If you are in a relationship, having a couples night out can be a good way to meet new people.

Back to the question:

Yes.  There are barriers and distance there.  As a single guy, I do think it is harder.

I think people typically seek to help and interact with women, but are stand-offish with men till they figure out what they are about. 

To other men you are now seen as a potential adversary or competition.  An unknown and potential threat.  This can be defused by showing you are not, starting a conversation based on shared interests, small talk of interests, sports, or whatever.  Think wolf pack, you need to not be a lone wolf, you might need to do the human (verbal) equivalent of sniffing some butts, and provide the appropriate social cues to go from outsider to teammate/packmate.

To women you are assumed to be interested in them unless they know otherwise, and even a potential threat.  Since many men will and do try all sorts of things to get attention from women, especially when it is not welcome for them to do so the barriers are *much* higher.  Showing no sexual interest, making the non-verbal cues that make it clear that you are no form of threat, and being funny helps, but those defences are really high.  I have usually had more luck making female friends either through other friends or couples stuff.  since it sort of acts as a vetting process or otherwise removes the male-female dynamic on it.  (A FTM can probably give you waaay better advice on this than I can...)

I have found since I have started HRT for my being MTA, that the natural shifts into being more feminine have helped me more easily interact with other people, not sure if it is non-verbal communication, pheromones, or just that I feel more comfortable and genuinely myself so I can put myself out there better...

In both cases having a good sense of humour helps allot.  Small talk, joke, interesting story...

But yeah it is harder, and building that core network from scratch takes work, once you have one, throw parties, entertain, try and be a social hub if you can.  I had to do this as a guy, and I am fairly introverted.

And with close friends you are still more expected to show strength and have your XXXX together and not be emotional.  Though I am finding that to be less the case with my more LGBT/GQ friends, since they reject allot of the societally defined gender BS.

Socially it is a different skill set.


- Jaded Jade
- JJ
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aleon515

I have more friends who are trans. I don't really meet cis guys. When I have met up with them, I feel comfortable but don't have a lot of occassion to meet them.

--Jay
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Natkat

I can sorta relate.
I feel it somehow more difficult being a guy because girls would be suspicious of your kindness and many guys are like "no homo" if you are too close to them.

it may have something to do with the fact I like being sensual with my friends and hug them and stuff.
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