Electrolysis Damage

[Pandora]

About 4 years ago my [relatively] smooth skin was quite badly damaged by over-aggressive electrolysis. The result after 50 hours of treatment was the following:

- Dimpled, orange-peel effect on the chin,
- Deep cracks leading from the edge of the mouth
- Smoker's lines on the upper lip

Just wondering if anyone else out there has had any success dealing with the results of bad electrolysis? A couple of surgeons I have talked with have suggested that a facial peel might help, but I get the impression that they don't really know much about this type of problem.

I still have more electrolysis to be performed as there are a lot of grey hairs left. At least  50-100 hours maybe. So I am assuming that any treatment will have to wait until this process has been completed?

Many thanks for any suggestions!

[ImagineKate]

I believe there is a process called laser skin resurfacing which can smooth out your skin. I have no experience with it though. I have just heard about it. There may be other treatment like peels and rolling.

[Pandora]

Thanks for the suggestion Kate. Yes, laser skin resurfacing and peels sound like the main options available. I'm finding it particularly hard to determine how well these techniques work when applied to electrolysis related problems rather than general aging. Very limited information on the internet and not all of it positive. Orange peel skin in particular seems to be a problem.

Hugs, Pandora

[mrs izzy]

As long as you do not have much blow outs then most of the skin can help from a chemical peal at the end of the electrolysis.

When you can stay clear through a year with out needed more electrolysis.

This also give time for the skin to heal as much on it own.

Blow outs are hard to fix. Those do improve with time but will always show signs.

Price we pay.

[ImagineKate]

As long as you do not have much blow outs then most of the skin can help from a chemical peal at the end of the electrolysis.

When you can stay clear through a year with out needed more electrolysis.

This also give time for the skin to heal as much on it own.

Blow outs are hard to fix. Those do improve with time but will always show signs.

Price we pay.

What is a blow out?

[mrs izzy]

Blow out is when there is to high current and a heavy lye action. (over burns the root)

Causes the skin to blow out due to the steam pressure.

Makes a instant pot hole.

If you scab over from the electrolysis then most likely there are blow outs to a degree.

[Pandora]

Blow out is when there is to high current and a heavy lye action. (over burns the root)

Causes the skin to blow out due to the steam pressure.

Makes a instant pot hole.

Oh dear, this is what I feared. I think the orange peel / golf ball effect on my chin may be the result of blow outs  🙁 . Certainly got quite a few explosive pops going on during the electrolysis albeit without any obvious scabbing. If this is not fixable am hoping then at least the lines may be amenable to treatment.

[Beth Andrea]

OMG...a blowout sounds painful, even more than electrolysis itself!

[mrs izzy]

Rushing a clearing.

Happens more with lesser experienced techs.

Not high and fast is always the answer.

[Julia-Madrid]

One of our friends who recently left Susans did a deep chemical peel with Dr Bart.  It required preparation to be started at least a week in advance, and it looked nasty for around 10 days after the peel was applied.  The results are excellent, but the skin is pink for some time afterwards.

[Evelyn K]

(Waves)

OK so I came across something important and putting this out there because I'm also undergoing electrolysis at the moment to clean up white hairs.

Have any of you read the stuff on this site?

http😕/hairzapper.com/horror-stories/

And interesting excerpt from here:
http😕/hairzapper.com/thermolysis/

Primarily meant for the removal of sparse or light hair

"Generally, the original intent of thermolysis was to remove a few sparse hairs or an upper lip of peach fuzz. Both St Pierre and Arthur Hinkle warned against the use of Flash Thermolysis for the purpose of removing coarse deep terminal hair such as beards. *sigh* Not many people have read their work prior to wrecking the complexion of some poor client. And yet the transgender community continually insists on this kind of work be done on them. Purveyors are not difficult to be found, either. Some of the greatest amounts of misinformation seem to come from afficianados of the "quick & dirty" school of hairkill."

Also note the illustration - "Illustration of how skin damage in Thermolysis (RF) occurs"

The above and referenced site is one electrolysis' opinion. However maybe they have a legitimate point? Thoughts?

[ImagineKate]

Sounds like I've had a few blow outs then. She used thermolysis, not galvanic.

I'm doing laser now. I see some small pits from previous electrolysis but it is noticeable only if you look closely.

[Evelyn K]

Check out this guys reaction from electrolysis over treatment.



Ouch!

[Evelyn K]

Sounds like I've had a few blow outs then. She used thermolysis, not galvanic.

I'm doing laser now. I see some small pits from previous electrolysis but it is noticeable only if you look closely.

BTW, has anyone here experienced truly permanent hair elimination from laser treatments even after years on out?

[mrs izzy]

Sounds like I've had a few blow outs then. She used thermolysis, not galvanic.

I'm doing laser now. I see some small pits from previous electrolysis but it is noticeable only if you look closely.

BTW, has anyone here experienced truly permanent hair elimination from laser treatments even after years on out?

Nope for the simple short answer.

[mrs izzy]

Electrolysis is a art forum in its own.

Not everyone respects the art.

[Evelyn K]

BTW, has anyone here experienced truly permanent hair elimination from laser treatments even after years on out?


Nope for the simple short answer.

Interesting. I've had 10 sessions (last 3 where max) and my face is clear. At least it seems like it....

But, if I take for instance, a USB microscope up close to the skin, then alas, it's not as clear as I'd like to think



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Bummer I KNEW there was just the slightest hint of a shadow from *somewhere*. Now I know where...

[mrs izzy]

Not all hair are growing,
Not all hair are in the growth cycle but dormant.
Not all hair are equal.

[Evelyn K]

^^ Yeah I figure that's parts of it. But what irks me is I don't think that's what we're seeing here. "laser hair removal" isn't warranted "permanent" FDA approval status for this reason and I'm proof positive with closer inspection.

"Laser High tendency for re-growth

Then there is the issue of regrowth. It is commonly known (or is it?) that laser electrolysis works on a long term basis in about 1 out of 50 cases. For every wonderful tale of one visit and it is gone, there are a bunch of people out there who have been sapped of a great deal of money and no way to even get so much as a cent back. They have been duped into believing that a miracle is going to occur with a process that cannot even be allowed to claim "permanent"."

http😕/hairzapper.com/laser/

[mrs izzy]

Laser is only approved for Permanent reduction.

Electrolysis is for Permanent removal.

See the difference. but most get hung up on the Permanent part.