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Started by Nicnique, October 06, 2007, 02:43:09 PM

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Nicnique

After having been several times on this page(s) and reading a lot I start feeling a little bit "at home" and thought it's time to register and introduce myself.

Nicnique is living in the southern part of Germany and was born in 1959. So the language I learned from my parents is not English – therefore I kindly have to ask you to overlook my mistakes when writing here...thanks in advance.

Nicnique of course is a nic – but a nic with a history. It's a word combined of Nicolas and Veronique two characters from a novel I'm writing. I was born and raised up as a male. And in my early history you won't find special things that might give you the impression that one day I could have problems with my gender identity. On the other hand you won't find as well indices that I'm a typical male or that I've been a typical boy. I'm still today and was never interested in football, cars or other typical "male stuff".

I started writing poems and short-stories when I was 18. I do and did it not all the times but for some years than stopped and started again nearly 5 years ago.

You might be surprised but I first met the word "androgynous" when I was 42 and it hit me like a stone falling on my feet. Suddenly I knew what was "wrong" with me. I started to go into that and e.g. pulled out some of my earliest stories. And it hit me again. Reading it now I recognized that it was ever there I only didn't see it.

Today I think I tried to live a traditional male life for about 20 or 25 years. Married, got a child (my wife of course ;)) and separated from my family beginning of this year. I discussed my gender problems with my wife from the first day on and it got more and more obvious that it was impossible for me to live only one side of myself – the male one. So we've gone through a process in which I started to find myself new and my wife tried to accept this. She did it on the one hand but on the other hand she recognized that I'm no more the typical male she want's to live with. So we decided to go our own ways now. She today is living with a big strong guy and even if he represents everything I can't and won't be we have a very good contact and – thanks god – non of these "typical" problems and fights...

Of course I asked myself the well known questions: What the hell I am? TS? TV? CD? Or androgynous. After I found out that I'm not a TS and not a TV and not CD I would say today I'm androgynous.  Of course I read a lot of the descriptions and know of the several variations a.s.o. and therefore I should like to try to translate a description I found on the pages of a swiss photographer one day. She wrote:

"The word "androgynous" is combined from "Andros" the greek word for man and "Gyne" for woman. It implicates the imagination of perfection by bringing together the contrasting poles of male and female in one person. The gender of this person is not distraught – there is more than this a game with the boundaries: the attributes (dress, hairstyle, attitude and behaviour,...) allowing us to identify a persons gender are exceeded – but the possibility to change in the one or the other way is not lost."

So I think you might be tired now from reading all this and I should come to an end... I feel a as one person -  biological a male but regarding my feelings and my thinking at least 50% female. Therefore I have one name – Nicnique. And my problem is that I can't live in the box "male" I want to live out of the boxes and show my male side as well as my female side...and this in a society based on duality and nearly unchangeable pictures...

With love and regards to all of you
Nicnique
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RebeccaFog

Hi Nicnique,

Welcome to Susan's.

    There is a section for those of us who are androgyne.  I think it gets into the concept in a fresh way and it may provide you with some good stuff.

    I'm sorry to hear about your marriage.  There's never anything easy about relationships.


Peace,

Rebis
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Janis

I just had to say...that you write very well.
And I personally was not 'tired' in the least.
I also study foriegn language and must say that your English
is even better than my own native born version.
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tinkerbell

Hello Nicnique and welome to Susan's!

Thanks so much for your introduction. Please take a few moments to get familiar with all the boards of the site, review the site rules before posting, and take advantage of our many resources such as the wiki, chat, and the links listed at the main page.  We look forward to your future posts and participation.  Enjoy your stay :)

tink :icon_chick:
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no_id

Willkommen Nicnique! Vielen dank für die intro. Hoffentlich kann Susan's dich hilfen in die suche nach antworten. Du kannst mich auch, wie Rebis, meistens finden bei der Androgyne Talk forum, aber ich indentifiziere als keine gender. Das ist aber ein andere geschichte und lass ich jetzt in ruhr.

Wenn du mal problemen hat mit es verstehen von welchen Englische definition kannst du mir bestimmt fragen es zu erklären.

Also, bis bald. 8)

(Ps. Ich bin nicht Deutsch aber Holländer, kann desbhalb schon ein bischen Deutsch... ;))


English translation
Welcome Nicnique. Thank you so much for the intro. Hopefully Susan's can help you in the search for answers. You can also mostly find me, like Rebis, at the Androgyne Talk forum, but I identify as no gender. However, that's a different story that I'll leave for now.

If you ever have trouble understanding some English definition you can definitely ask me to explain it.

See you around. 8)

(Ps. I'm not German, but Dutch, that's why I can speak quite a bit of German ;))
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funnygrl

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HelenW

Willkommen, Nicnque!

My parents emmigrated from souther Germany, Mittel und Oberfranken, a little over a year before I was born.  I still have family there!  I can read and write German, sort of, and I'm so out of practice it took me a bit just to read No_Id's post.

I'm happy to make your acquaintace, Nicnique, and I hope we'll be seeing more from you real soon!

mit herzlichen grüßen,
Emelye
FKA: Emelye

Pronouns: she/her

My rarely updated blog: http://emelyes-kitchen.blogspot.com

Southwestern New York trans support: http://www.southerntiertrans.org/
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Nicnique

I think it was really time to register... thanks for all your kind welcomes. Only short this evening - have to chat a little bit with my daughter - she's 12 years and seems that the hormones are starting to do their work. So she was very down when I left after my visit today. But despite her age its a difficult situation for her too. Daddy no more at home and Mummy has a new friend - and he is obviously totally different from Daddy - really confusing...

Thanks again and best regards
Nicnique
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Wing Walker

Welcome to Susan's, Nicnique.

This is a quote from your posting:
QuoteOf course I asked myself the well known questions: What the hell I am? TS? TV? CD? Or androgynous. After I found out that I'm not a TS and not a TV and not CD I would say today I'm androgynous.  Of course I read a lot of the descriptions and know of the several variations a.s.o. and therefore I should like to try to translate a description I found on the pages of a swiss photographer one day. She wrote:

"The word "androgynous" is combined from "Andros" the greek word for man and "Gyne" for woman. It implicates the imagination of perfection by bringing together the contrasting poles of male and female in one person. The gender of this person is not distraught – there is more than this a game with the boundaries: the attributes (dress, hairstyle, attitude and behaviour,...) allowing us to identify a persons gender are exceeded – but the possibility to change in the one or the other way is not lost."

So I think you might be tired now from reading all this and I should come to an end... I feel a as one person -  biological a male but regarding my feelings and my thinking at least 50% female. Therefore I have one name – Nicnique. And my problem is that I can't live in the box "male" I want to live out of the boxes and show my male side as well as my female side...and this in a society based on duality and nearly unchangeable pictures...

From what I have seen there is room here for everyone and no one will check your papers at the door.

I cannot say that I have ever felt androgynous myself but I have been following it as a topic in here recently.  I have been in the company of a natal woman who was 100% female and lived her life as a drag king.  I believe that in her I saw a manifestation of androgyny, at least her interpretation of it.

See a gender therapist as soon as you can.  The photographer might have a workable description of androgyny but I'd still have that validated by a gender therapist.

Be well.

Wing Walker
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