Quote from: Dennis on October 09, 2007, 05:54:31 PM
Back to the original topic, I would say the risk would be infertility. Testes don't function well in higher temperatures.
Dennis
Nods, "This was an expected short coming, and not considered an issue, an obvious preplanning solution would be to bank a sample just in case. My greater worry is will there be any other problems than that from exposing the testes to a body temperature environment over the long term."
Quote from: Rebis on October 09, 2007, 07:06:21 PM
I understand that RedJack (if that's his real name - [/snicker]) is male. However, I also believe that the most likely way to dissuade him in the event that he really is way of track, is to help inform him.
I did see pictures of an MtF who had their testes implanted up into the lower abdomen, however, from my experience (don't ask) that is a good way to feel like you've been kicked there when, or if, you ever fool around with another person again. The last place you would ever want your testes is in your abdomen or any other place where they may receive unwelcome and unexpected pressure. In my opinion.
Other reasons in my view that you may not want to have such severe body mod performed on your genitals is that there is the possibility that you'll lose sexual sensation and the possibility that if the wrong thing is nicked, and I'm talking about things we haven't discussed like the urethra, you could end up with lifelong discomfort or even pain.
In the case of having a vagina installed, there is also the possibility of having a nick of some kind that allows feces to leak into your body.
I am not making this up. If I'm wrong, then someone should correct me, however, these are facts that I've read about during all of my personal research.
There is also the reversibility issue where you may decide that you want to have children with someone. I guess if your testes are working, you can always have sperm taken in a lab, but how are you going to explain this to your partner? Which kind of leads up to the notion of how are you going to begin a relationship with someone? Full disclosure up front, or spring it as a surprise?
Also, is this the way you really want to live? It may sound cutting edge, but what kind of people do you hang out with? Are they going to know? At some time, if you ever have a physical relationship, it's probably going to get out. I guess there's the possibility that you'll just tell everyone who'll listen, but maybe you should go around and pretend that you are doing that when you see the people you associate with.
As for me, whatever you want is your own business and is fine with me. I just feel that this thread has been missing the point that the 'can it be done' question applies to your self esteem and mental health as much as it applies to the physical aspect.
Rebis
Male yes, but no, Red Jack is not my name, but probably the oldest name I've gone by online, consider it a bit of protection, a bit of anonymity to hide behind while I question, think and consider what's going through my mind, a way to wash my hands of it should I not only decide not to do this in the future, but like to distance m'self from the fact that I even thought it.
That was my initial thought on implanting the testes there, it didn't seem like the most practical of placements.
This is the kind of information I was looking for, thanks. Basically its easy to go 'gee, that looks interesting, why don't I?' Its a lot harder to find out the upside and downside of doing it, and its definitely something that requires serious thought, in many ways on par with what members of this forum are going through, which is another reason to bring it here.
Full disclosure is a definite, and as you can see I answered the reproductive question. As to the rest here, definitely food for thought, thank you.
Quote from: Nero on October 10, 2007, 04:15:21 AM
The MOTIVATION for this is very important. You need to search your soul before even considering 'body modification' of this magnitude. I really can't comprehend how a man would even be interested in genital modification.
As someone mentioned earlier, about going from man to transman - it's an entirely different thing.
I do love and accept my genitals as part of me, but I would never have CHOSEN to be a man with female or otherwise ambiguous genitalia. The motivation for a man to have any type of SRS completely escapes me.
Have you considered that you may have gender issues? That you may in fact be androgyne?
While the motivation is very important, I guess you could say that I look at it like a construction project, can I build, is it possible to make a serious foundation, before considering whether you should, because if its impossible, there's no point... at least in my opinion.
Chuckles, "I may very well be androgyne, I've never given that much thought, but do know that I'm fairly malleable about what I am, remaining what I am versus changing it like we've discussed here is very much a matter of why not more than anything else, hence the question that started this thread."
Quote from: Rebis on October 10, 2007, 07:53:50 AM
Hi RedJack,
I think some of the more practical issues you face would be finding a qualified surgeon who would perform the surgery. As I said, there are some risks. So, finding a surgeon is probably your largest problem just to begin with. As I stated earlier, there are many possible risks. You would not want to try anything that is not 100% USDA approved.
Also, I think I read where it would cost about $17,000 in the US and maybe $8,000 in some foreign countries.
Another thing that you are not hearing here is that even if you have a vagina, it is not care free. A whole lot of work goes into keeping it healthy and from closing up on you (from what I've read).
It's not like a tattoo that you can just get it then forget it. Even if you have to pay attention to piercings, it's not the same thing.
Just something to think about.
Rebis
Smiles, "Yes, price was anticipated to be an issue, though I hadn't realized just how high it is. Also I wasn't aware of the care issues involved, thank you."
At this point, we've likely exhausted this topic, at this point its unlikely I'll learn more than I have now (and not just about my question, its been fascinating getting a peek into people's heads here, its even tweaked one of the loose ends in my religious beliefs), so I leave it up to the moderators whether or not this thread remains open.
Thank you all for everything, and once things get settled down with the new job, I'll be exploring the forum, I suspect my motivations and desires will become clear as I learn more. I will leave you all with food for another thread (may have been covered by now), anyone remember when Dolly was cloned? There was an uproar about the concept of cloning people to create a brain dead organ donor. As they would be you physically, organ rejection is obviously minimized if not eliminated, so here's a thought, if that was possible, would it be a good solution for gender reassignment surgery? Obviously ifn we reached the point where we could clone a human being and grow them to an adult stage in a short amount of time, reassigning their gender should be quite simple, so this would represent the ability to have gender reassignment surgery with no rejection and full function, but should it be done?
Thank you all, while I may be quite, I expect I'll be visiting quite a bit from now on.
