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How do I live as a woman?

Started by Tina B, September 07, 2017, 07:07:59 AM

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Tina B

In Norway, I think one of the rules before starting hrt is you have to live as a woman for a year first. But what does that mean? I am wearing makeup, have very long hair, I dress in womens clothing and I have change my name. What more can I do?
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Nina

That'd be odd...usually 1 year living full time is required for surgery. Course, I'm in Canada, not Norway.
When I was asked about my one year living full time, I had to give examples and names of people who could verify that I was indeed living full time. This included my employer, my pastor, and even a few friends. This process was back in 2012...a lot may have changed since hen.
2007/8 - name change, tracheal shave, electrolysis, therapy
2008 - full time
2014 - GCS Dr. Brassard; remarried
2018 (January)  - hubby and I moved off-grid
2019 - plan originally was to hike PCT in 2020, but now attempting Appalachian Trail - start date April 3.
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KathyLauren

Hi, Tina!

Welcome to Susan's.

"Living as a woman" means that you live all aspects of your life as a woman.  When it is a requirement for further treatment, as it is in some countries, you need to have documented evidence that you are living as a woman.  A legal name change document is good evidence. 

I have to do two years of "Real Life Experience" in order to get my British birth certificate changed.  What I have done is to announce my transition publicly in my comminity.  I use my new, feminine name everywhere.  I ask people to use feminine pronouns, and I correct them if they forget.  When filling in forms, I indicate "female" rather than "male".  I use women's toilet facilities only.  I dress in a feminine style.  Even if I am doing messy work, for which I wear my old male clothing, I wear a (padded) bra under it.  I keep my balding head covered either by a wig or by a hat, and what hair I have left, I style in a feminine style under the hat.  I am getting electrolysis treatment to remove my facial hair.

Basically, it means never appearing as male.  You do not necessarily have to wear breast forms - there are pleanty of flat-chested cis women - but you do want to present an appearance that is plausibly feminine.

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elkie-t

Normally, you need to have some proof of the date when you started living as a female. Name change should be a good one. If you add to it your payroll slip with this new page (to prove you transitioned at work), rental agreement for an apartment (if you rent an apartment) and whatever else you have in your new name - that shall be good enough.

Throw in a few photos with you. Give some references if you have friends. Etc.

And don't worry about it. If you live full time, it will not be hard to prove that you do.


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Gertrude

My therapist won't give a hrt letter unless ft for 3 months. It's easy enough to get around that in the states. Maybe I shouldn't be surprised Norway has so many rules. It's sounds a bit much.


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MeTony

It's the same in Sweden. I believe it is because they don't want people to regret the transition. There are very few cases in Sweden when people regret the changes. Atleast that is what I've heared.

You need to live full time for at least one year in Sweden too.
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Wild Flower

Most transgender women I met been living as a woman since birth... hmmm?
"Anyone who believes what a cat tells him deserves all he gets."
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Wild Flower

Quote from: MeTonie on September 08, 2017, 11:43:34 PM
It's the same in Sweden. I believe it is because they don't want people to regret the transition. There are very few cases in Sweden when people regret the changes. Atleast that is what I've heared.

You need to live full time for at least one year in Sweden too.

That sounds like a personal problem to me, I think they should allow it to anyone who wants it without much difficulties.
"Anyone who believes what a cat tells him deserves all he gets."
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Lady Lisandra

Argentina seems rather advanced in the trangender policies. You don't need a judge or therapist to autorize you, yu just go to an endocrinologist and ask for hrt, or even go to civil registry and ask for a name and gender change, you can even queue for a free GRS!
- Lis -
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Gertrude

Quote from: Wild Flower on September 09, 2017, 12:27:56 AM
That sounds like a personal problem to me, I think they should allow it to anyone who wants it without much difficulties.
It's a different sociology-political culture.


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Johanna M

Quote from: MeTonie on September 08, 2017, 11:43:34 PM
It's the same in Sweden. I believe it is because they don't want people to regret the transition. There are very few cases in Sweden when people regret the changes. Atleast that is what I've heared.

You need to live full time for at least one year in Sweden too.
Don't think it is like that any longer. You can start HRT and hair removal when you been diagnosed as transsexual. The team usually needs at least a year before you get diagnosed. RL is needed for at least a year if you want to legally change your sex and have GCS in Sweden.
The problem in Sweden is that the waiting time is around a year or so to have your first appointment with the team.


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AnneK

QuoteYou can start HRT and hair removal when you been diagnosed as transsexual.

You need to be diagnosed for hair removal???
I'm a 65 year old male who has been thinking about SRS for many years.  I also was a  full cross dresser for a few years.  I wear a bra, pantyhose and nail polish daily because it just feels right.

Started HRT April 17, 2019.
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Laurie

Quote from: AnneK on September 10, 2017, 10:11:17 AM
You need to be diagnosed for hair removal???

  My hair is removing itself and has been for many years.  :(  What's that? Electrolysis? Oh I though you meant on top of my head. ;D ;D 

Sorry I had to...

Hugs,
   Laurie
April 13, 2019 switched to estradiol valerate
December 20, 2018    Referral sent to OHSU Dr Dugi  for vaginoplasty consult
December 10, 2018    Second Letter VA Psychiatric Practical nurse
November 15, 2018    First letter from VA therapist
May 11, 2018 I am Laurie Jeanette Wickwire
May   3, 2018 Submitted name change forms
Aug 26, 2017 another increase in estradiol
Jun  26, 2017 Last day in male attire That's full time I guess
May 20, 2017 doubled estradiol
May 18, 2017 started electrolysis
Dec   4, 2016 Started estradiol and spironolactone



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Johanna M

You need to get diagnosed to get the Swedish healthcare system to pay for hair removal in the face. Sorry my bad. If you pay yourself you can start when ever you like

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