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Started by Tills, April 16, 2025, 11:41:41 PM

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Lori Dee

Quote from: Tills on March 20, 2026, 11:24:09 PMIt's also interesting that some of the happiest countries on earth are also the most trans friendly.

My hygienist in SD told me she hung out at gay bars. She is cis and married, so I asked if that was the case, so guys wouldn't hit on her. She said no, it was because the LGBTQ community is the happiest people she has ever met, and who doesn't want to party with a bunch of happy people?
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KathyLauren

Quote from: Tills on March 20, 2026, 11:10:50 PMSo the sale is now binding on all sides. I will make the payment Monday and collect keys on Friday.

I just have two things to say about that, @Tills :

1. Congratulations!!!
2. Pics or it didn't happen!
:)
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Tills

Quote from: KathyLauren on March 21, 2026, 05:38:14 AMI just have two things to say about that, @Tills :

1. Congratulations!!!
2. Pics or it didn't happen!
:)

1. Thanks!!!!

2. Haha 😃 But I still don't know how I post pics?

xx

Stottie Girl

Hi Tills, if you want to post pics go to https://imgbb.com/ 🔗 and sign up for a free account. Then drag and drop pics onto there and when you upload, it will give you share options. select BBcode from the drop down list, copy the text then just paste the text into your message on Susans. Works a treat. Simples
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Quote from: Stottie Girl on March 21, 2026, 04:10:14 PMHi Tills, if you want to post pics go to https://imgbb.com/ 🔗 and sign up for a free account. Then drag and drop pics onto there and when you upload, it will give you share options. select BBcode from the drop down list, copy the text then just paste the text into your message on Susans. Works a treat. Simples


Yes and thanks Stottie. Well I know about photo sharing sites. I'm not too keen on that option I have to say.

It's a real shame not to be able to post photos straight in here.

xx

Tills

Maybe I'll relent and post them online. I'd quite like to put some of my Norway ones up. I've some gorgeous photos from there, if I may say so: the subject not the photographer being the key!

I might open up my Google Drive with a link here as there's better internet security and data protection if I do that, much as I dislike Google's privacy policies.

xx

Stottie Girl

Quote from: Tills on March 21, 2026, 10:12:33 PMYes and thanks Stottie. Well I know about photo sharing sites. I'm not too keen on that option I have to say.

It's a real shame not to be able to post photos straight in here.

xx
I know what you mean but if we dumped loads of images on here the servers probably couldn't cope with the memory requirements. (I'm not very technical but that is my understanding). Doing it via hosting saves memory space I think.

I've gotten used to it now so it's not much of a worry to me personally. I guess if you are only posting pictures of your travels without you on them there's not much of a security risk is there?
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Tills

Hola everyone.

The deed is done. I just paid for my place in the Western Highlands of Scotland.

Heading up there on Thursday to collect the keys and begin some redecorating. I was a bit worried about this latter because, although I know ladies do redecorate, I didn't want to damage my nails 🤣. Joking aside, I want to make sure that my femininity is maintained through the process. No builder's bum for me ... ;)

xx

Jessica_Rose

Congratulations, Tills! Decorating can be difficult, sometimes there is a clash between what you like, and what looks best in the house. I hope your move and the decorating go well.

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Stottie Girl

Quote from: Tills on March 24, 2026, 06:40:57 AMHola everyone.

The deed is done. I just paid for my place in the Western Highlands of Scotland.

Heading up there on Thursday to collect the keys and begin some redecorating. I was a bit worried about this latter because, although I know ladies do redecorate, I didn't want to damage my nails 🤣. Joking aside, I want to make sure that my femininity is maintained through the process. No builder's bum for me ... ;)

xx
Massive congratulations Tills. I'm so happy for you! It's a big moment.

For the record women can look cute doing decorating, think dungarees or leggings, hair up, hairband, paint on nose! That type of thing.
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Lori Dee

Congratulations, Tills.

This has been a long time in the making, and now the adventure begins!

You had said that it needed some work. Is that cosmetic or structural? I would focus on the necessary repairs first, then work on cosmetic stuff.

Enjoy making it your home. We are so happy for you.
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KathyLauren

Congratulations, @Tills !  (Still waiting for pics. :D )
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ChrissyRyan

I hear we should NOT go to most Middle Eastern countries if we are transgender.

With the war going on, some of those countries would be a travel risk for that reason too.



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Tills

Quote from: Lori Dee on March 24, 2026, 10:05:17 AMCongratulations, Tills.

This has been a long time in the making, and now the adventure begins!

You had said that it needed some work. Is that cosmetic or structural? I would focus on the necessary repairs first, then work on cosmetic stuff.

Enjoy making it your home. We are so happy for you.

Thanks ladies so much for your kind comments.

Hi @Lori Dee and thank you. Actually it's kind-of cosmetic really, at least for the first year or two: repainting walls, lifting the carpets and sanding down the floors etc. I'll put a mixer tap shower over the bath for the time being. Further down the line I'd like to have a proper shower put in which I won't do myself especially as it's structural.

In a couple of years I will also need to re-do the kitchen. I have installed a kitchen previously at a property so I'm not too fazed about doing that.

I 'think' that the flue is intact too so I may open the fireplace for a real log fire. Or, failing that, a biofuel burner.

Basically the lady who owned it lived there for 31 years and didn't want to leave but a tragedy in her family has meant she had to sell up to look after someone. It's a lovely place but just needs a bit of a tlc.

I'll try and sort out those pics @KathyLauren - some before and after pics of rooms would be fun.

xx

Tills

@Stottie Girl I love the idea of the dungarees! A friend of mine has a dungaree company so I might give her a call.

xx

Stottie Girl

Quote from: Tills on March 24, 2026, 12:22:33 PM@Stottie Girl I love the idea of the dungarees! A friend of mine has a dungaree company so I might give her a call.

xx
No builders butt with those Tills!
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Moonflower

Quote from: Tills on March 20, 2026, 11:24:09 PMMeanwhile, the annual Happiest Countries on Earth poll has just been published.

For the ninth year in a row Finland is No.1 then it goes Iceland, Denmark, Costa Rica, Sweden, and Norway.

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/03/18/travel/worlds-happiest-countries-2026-wellness 🔗

Iceland and Norway are also at the top of the list of countries that have the best laws and public opinion for trans people, according to equaldex.com. When we considered moving to Iceland, we pulled up a map that showed volcano locations and risk. We heard that volcanoes are so active there that lava flows destroy towns, and shut down greenhouses (essential for the food supply) and electricity distribution. Even the main city of Reykjavik is at higher risk than we're comfortable with. Also, we couldn't find a way to fit their cost of living into our budget.

When we considered Norway, I couldn't find a way for us to stay longer than 90 days. I wrote to them asking about this. I was thrilled to get a response! But it confirmed that we were only welcome to stay for 90 days. We could only visit as tourists. They would not allow us to become permanent residents or citizens.

When we considered Costa Rica, we were concerned about the crime reports, and the restriction of the tourist visa without a clear path to permanent residency.

Denmark intrigued us for a while. The asylum, long-term visa, and permanent residency processes sounded relatively doable... except the non-asylum processes had to be initiated at least 3 months before leaving the U.S. and we weren't willing to wait that long. Also, appointments for starting these processes weren't available at the embassy where we had to go. We were concerned about public opinion apparently falling below the levels of the trans-supportive laws. We were especially concerned about the report:

https://lgbt.dk/lgbt-politisk-topmoede-her-er-hovedpointerne/ 🔗

  LGBT + Political Summit: Here are the main points
  October 29, 2025
  Gender Equality Minister Magnus Heunicke (S) was in charge of opening speech, where he initially emphasized how far we have come in the fight for gender equality and sexuality – but also about the resistance that has gained new strength also within the EU and in the Danish Folketing. And he stressed that the LGBT + movement has a freedom message for the entire population...

Canada was the first country that we considered, but the angst about the outcome of their election for prime minister gave us caution. We still pursued it, though, because it was so geographically accessible, appealing, and familiar. We connected with people who were enthused about helping us seek asylum there. However, we decided against that path when our mental health suffered from the process of collecting data daily to support our case. We could not commit to continuing to do so for years as we waited for a stranger to decide our fate. The only alternative that we saw to seeking asylum for us was to enter as students, pursue advanced degrees, and establish ourselves as employees who would be essential to the country, as its government indicated that it was adding restrictions to immigration. We feel too old and desperate to take that kind of path.

We applied for permanent residency in Uruguay from the comfort and convenience of our home without having to fly back and forth. Here in Uruguay, a couple days ago, our highly-reputable immigration consultant assured us that our persistent difficulties obtaining required identity documents from the U.S. will not cause Uruguay to make us leave. She confirmed the stories that we are familiar with: Uruguay welcomes everyone, knows of the difficulties we are all experiencing, and is accommodating people like us, whether we seek asylum or not.

QuoteIt's also interesting that some of the happiest countries on earth are also the most trans friendly.

Yes. We found youtube videos about trans people immigrating to various countries to be very inspiring.
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Moonflower

Quote from: Tills on March 20, 2026, 11:24:09 PMThe decline in youth happiness is worrying.

We were delighted by the Denmark report:

https://lgbt.dk/besoegsvennerne/ 🔗

  "links younger LGBT + people with older LGBT + people (65+) and forms friendships across generations...
You usually meet a few hours approx. every other week. It may be that you meet at home for a cup of coffee, go for a walk, visit a museum, or something completely fourth – you decide together. The visits are about being met at eye level with security, understanding and mutual respect. A visitor friend is not a therapist or therapist, but merely a person who can offer presence, good conversations and company."

I was also sobered by a quote from one of South America's contemporary heroes, reflecting on his time with older people:

"something that tragically sets my generation apart from theirs: we no longer see utopias on the horizon. The dispiriting sentiment of our time is captured in a famous aphorism attributed to both Fredric Jameson and Slavoj Žižek: "It is easier to imagine the end of the world than to imagine the end of capitalism." But my generation must build those utopias -- they are essential to transform reality."

We committed to moving just as we were discovering young people nearby who are working to build utopias. They made it much easier for us to leave as they put our donations to good use. In addition to enthusiastically distributing our things to organizations and causes and people who were seeking them, they provided enormous emotional support as we made difficult decisions and overcame huge hurdles. We were proud to be LGBTQIA+ ourselves and allies in a very conservative county. We continue to seek to support and inspire them.
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She began MTF HRT but had adverse reactions, so gave up on transitioning medically.
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2024 my wife submitted letters approving of medically transitioning, she's legally changing her name and gender on all of her and our documents and accounts.
January 2025!  SURGERY!
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KathyLauren

Quote from: Moonflower on March 26, 2026, 06:29:32 AMWe committed to moving just as we were discovering young people nearby who are working to build utopias. ... We were proud to be LGBTQIA+ ourselves and allies in a very conservative county. We continue to seek to support and inspire them.

The area we are moving to is a haven for old hippies: back-to-the-land-ers our age (70s) who are committed to a more sustainable lifestyle.  What is really interesting and heartening is that there are quite a few young hippies, too, who are there for the same reason.  There are young families running organic orchards, vegetable farms, and small cottage businesses. 

As is typical for an area that attracts young people, there is support for LGBTQ+ people.  On one house-hunting trip, I noticed a sign at the end of a driveway saying "Protect trans kids."  And the area's main town (year-round population about 500) has one of the bigger rural Pride festivals in the province.

Young people, unsurprisingly, are the key to the future.
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Stottie Girl

Quote from: KathyLauren on March 26, 2026, 07:55:10 AMThe area we are moving to is a haven for old hippies: back-to-the-land-ers our age (70s) who are committed to a more sustainable lifestyle.  What is really interesting and heartening is that there are quite a few young hippies, too, who are there for the same reason.  There are young families running organic orchards, vegetable farms, and small cottage businesses. 

As is typical for an area that attracts young people, there is support for LGBTQ+ people.  On one house-hunting trip, I noticed a sign at the end of a driveway saying "Protect trans kids."  And the area's main town (year-round population about 500) has one of the bigger rural Pride festivals in the province.

Young people, unsurprisingly, are the key to the future.
That sounds idillic Kathy. I could fancy a bit of that myself!

You are right, the young people are the future and most of them have grown up alongside trans kids and within the golden days for trans people and are very supportive of the trans movement. Unfortunately though, it is the older generations that make policy. I just hope they don't manage to pollute the minds of the young for when they get to be in power.
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