Non American version of Yasmine?

[Bellaon7]

Thoughts & opinions are asked for.

[Flan]

birth control meds ARE NOT HRT

[Nero]

To echo Flan, what context are you asking in? because Yasmin is not exactly applicable to transsexuals aside from perhaps gay or bi transmen.

[Laura91]

Thoughts & opinions are asked for.

Why would you want to use a birth control medication for HRT purposes? That seems a bit backwards to me. The real deal is so much better and safer as far as HRT is concerned.

[Bellaon7]

Gotta agree with evveryone, a WRONG choice for MTF. I only ask that you put this in the same place as Diane-35. It has no place here. So ban it & say WHY, please.

[Purple Pimp]

Since it's not an unsolicited opinion: find something else.  Yaz is for birth control and doesn't deliver a sufficient amount of estrogen for an effective HRT regimen.  If one were to take multiple pills of Yaz at once to get that higher dosage, one would be risking their health, as the ethinyl estradiol in Yaz has a much higher risk of DVT (among other things) than bio-identical estradiol.  Go with something else.

Lia

[Zelane]

Uh, as with Diane I dont think discussion of this kind its allowed on this site (since its birth control)

The interesting thing I found reading about the effects its that it overrides ovulation.

[Nero]

Bella - if you know anything about the safety or lack thereof of Yasmin, please tell us.

[Bellaon7]

It's common practice for young & even older new transitioners to experiment with birth control pills. I am asking for a more aggresive stance. It's not hard to explain why this is a very bad choice, so please just do it, please.
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[Nero]

I must admit that I am not up the effects of Yasmine. I only know that Yasmine is a birth control pill and thus not effective for transsexuals except perhaps transmen who are not on T avoiding pregnancy.
I only know that a transwoman would have to ingest a dangerous amount of birth control to produce results.
If you know more, please tell us.

[Bellaon7]

Ban it & say why it's banned. I do no know how to make this question more difficult or thought provoking. Don't just ban it, but explain WHY birth control has no place in an hrt regiment period, please!

[Zelane]

I can share what little I know about it but I hope I wont overstep in.

The problem with birth controls its that most are a combined med. Thats it they have some form of estrogen with a part of some form of progesterone/progestin.

In the case of Diane and Yasmin, the form of estrogen they use its Ethinylestradiol which its being known as the most dangerous form of artificial estrogen. It can more easily cause damage to the liver and/or blood cloths which are the main problems that they can cause but even proper HRT can cause them. The BIG difference its in the risk level association.

Then we have the combined part. Progesterone/progestin, now this substance its sometimes used in HRT but the dosages are quite specific with this. The problem with Yasmin its that it uses Drospirenone which to my little knowledge I dont remember being used for proper HRT.


Then the main problem would be. You would be using a HIGH risk estrogen that also a single pill wont give you the required proportional estrogen for a proper HRT (the correct dosage and type of estrogen depends on the doctor) Plus since it will have the progesterone/progestin you will have a high dosage of it. With that you will be inviting risks and danger to your body.

In all, its simply not a proper HRT. Birth control pills while they seems like a good idea their combination of substance made them unsuitable. And since they can be bought over the counter there is the problem of overdosing.

[Bellaon7]

Oh Christ, just ask Susan, she can fill you in. My point is MANY mtf start out experimenting with birth controll pills all to often. I'ml not requesting a new forum, just a more useful one in the place of what exists.

[Hannah]

Generally if someone would ask a question like that people would assume they were medically unsupervised and pile on the 'go see a doctor' or therapist stuff. Those people probably won't, or they wouldn't have asked in the first place and in that case the information isn't hard to find and it's not rocket science. Banning discussion of Yaz is an interesting notion, but prolly unnecessary. Someone willing to selfmed I would hope would at least do a little more research than asking on a forum and quickly discover how much safer and cheaper bioidentical estradiol is.

Besides I kind of like their commercial with all the girls swimming and getting out one by one, it's so...feminine.

[Flan]

Ban it & say why it's banned. I do no know how to make this question more difficult or thought provoking. Don't just ban it, but explain WHY birth control has no place in an hrt regiment period, please!

<fair warning: opinion ahead, this is not an official policy statement>





I'm going to be *really* blunt.





You can't ban stupid from forums, not less the internet.

[Janet_Girl]

Diane 35 is a dangerous drug.  And birth control is not the preferred method of HRT.



Janet

[Bellaon7]

Diane 35 is a dangerous drug.  And birth control is not the preferred method of HRT.



Janet

That's EXACTLY what I was saying about ysamine, it's as bad or worse!

[HelenW]

The discussion of Yasmine or any other BC drug that may be abused by some TG people falls under Rule 8.  We don't need a specific ban on just one drug.  No doctor would prescribe Yasmine to a trans woman as part of their HRT so it falls under the ban of discussions regarding self-medication.

8. The discussion of hormone replacement therapy(HRT) and it's medications are permitted, with the following limitations:

      A. Advocating for or against a specific medication or combinations of medications for personal gain is strictly prohibited.
      B. Discussing the means to acquire HRT medications without a prescription, and self medication without a doctors care is prohibited.
      C. Discussing dosages is strongly discouraged to prevent information obtained on this site from being used to self medicate.


We can not in good conscience condone the self administering of these medications. Not only may self medication be illegal, but HRT medications can cause serious health problems, and many have the potential for life-threatening side effects that can only be detected and prevented with proper medical supervision.

hugs & smiles
Emelye

[LordKAT]

8. The discussion of hormone replacement therapy(HRT) and it's medications are permitted, with the following limitations:

      A. Advocating for or against a specific medication or combinations of medications for personal gain is strictly prohibited.


talking about why any med is bad would not be any personal gain.

      B. Discussing the means to acquire HRT medications without a prescription, and self medication without a doctors care is prohibited.

talking about why a med is bad would not be how to get that med without a script. you can describe negative effects of a med without saying anything regarding self medicating i think the spirit of the rule would still follow in discouraging ppl from self medicating or at least not advocating for it. I see many statements which break this rule if we were to follow the lettering.

      C. Discussing dosages is strongly discouraged to prevent information obtained on this site from being used to self medicate.

tho only discouraged not banned, talking about why a med is bad has no need to talk of dosages



I therefore disagree with emelye and I also can see belleon7's point of stating that these meds are bad due to specific side effects or such. This would discourage self medication with these meds. I know I knew smoking was bad but until i knew how and why it was, it had no effect on my decisions. I have had that reaction to other medical dilemas and perhaps others do to. I no longer think I am the only one when it comes to particular feelings or habits.


This is just an opinion, I'm not telling any one that they should agree.

[HelenW]

. . . I therefore disagree with emelye . . .

I think you missed my point.  Under Rule 8, talking about how bad any birth control drug is for use as HRT is allowed.  Talking about how to get it and how good it is, however, is banned under that rule.  Since any person using such drugs in order to feminize themselves are obviously doing it on their own, the portion of the rule that bans discussion of self-medication is sufficient.

This site prohibits the discussion of HRT dosages in almost every instance for the reason given in Rule 8.  The way the discussion of dosages is strongly discouraged is that any and all dosage information is deleted from forum posts by the moderators, people who mention dosages in the chat rooms are immediately warned, if they persist are removed and dosage information is zealously kept out of the Wiki.  It is, in effect, banned.

In order to prevent any further encroachment of the line drawn by Rule #2, this thread is now locked.