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Started by SarahElls, July 18, 2011, 09:10:55 PM

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Pinkfluff

Well just because someone at some point assigned you a name doesn't necessarily make it your true name. What is truly yours only you can define.

As far as going out to places and always worrying about others, yeah I know all too well what that is like. It is much worse too when you have to ask these people for a job... I believe the key is to just focus on what you are doing, and as much as possible don't worry about what others say/do/look like etc. Tell yourself what you need to to stay on task and shrug off anything irritating, such as "well maybe she was smiling at something else" or "well they are privileged yet still working here so how smart can they really be". Yeah I know that last one may not be very nice but it makes me feel better ;) Then you get your prescription or whatever you need and you gtfo of there and go home where you won't have to worry about them anymore.

I do worry about restrooms too, but much of that can be avoided if you act confident (people really can smell fear, even if only subconsciously) and when possible pick ones that are in low traffic areas. You don't have to actually be confident as long as you can look like it. Most people have plenty of their own problems to worry about, so as long as you don't offer anything more interesting than that they will probably not even notice you.
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Cindy

Good post Sarah,

Restrooms vary so much around the world and even between states. In Adelaide a club I used to go to, had a policewoman talk to us about safety and the law. She was quite blunt. If you are presenting as female use the female toilets. She was talking about TG people, and not guys going out to a fancy dress party.

The pharmacist is covered by confidential patient client stuff  so can't say anything. And is probably just interested. It was a good opportunity to just tell her the truth.

The first time I got my hormone script it was from the same pharmacy I go to for my other medications. Mat the pharmacist looked at me and said, you know these will change your body shape and make you sterile. I bloody hope so was my reply.  We both had a laugh.

Hugs Darling

Cindy
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Northern Jane

When I started college at age 19 (1969) there was no way to change one's paperwork before surgery (which wasn't available) but  I couldn't really pass as a boy very well so I went as androgynous as I could. I avoided gendered washrooms as much as humanly possible and if I couldn't, I would use the men's room when it was empty. I knew people didn't know what to make of me and it was kind of fun not giving them any clues!
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Sarah B

Hi Sarah

It's good to hear that you are doing well.  What you have said in your post tells you that others just see you as a female and what you have written actually tells you what you need to do.  First you need to change your name as soon as possible and secondly you should use the female toilets, why? because you are a female!

I never had the problems you mentioned, because I changed my name and documents before I did anything else and I always used the appropriate toilet.

Yes you are right, it takes self confidence and along with 'just be yourself', that is what I also said to myself all those years ago.  Yes I was nervous the first couple of times when I did certain things, but I was always busy and in the end it just became second nature.

Take care and all the best for the future and let us know how you go.

Warmest regards
Sarah B
Be who you want to be.
Sarah's Story
Feb 1989 Living my life as Sarah.
Feb 1989 Legally changed my name.
Mar 1989 Started hormones.
May 1990 Three surgery letters.
Feb 1991 Surgery.
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mm

restrooms can be a problem especially when starting to be out.  I am at school most of the day so do need to go.  I am ftm and some students know my history but I do pass much of the time with the newer students.  I use the men's in buildings on campus where I am not likely to meet students that know me and also at low tarrific times if I can.  Guys are interested in getting in and out as quickly as possible. I even change tampons there a couple of time month, something you mtf's don't need to be concerned about.
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Stephe

I remember the male name deal, that is a nightmare. Honestly THAT should be your top priority, get your name changed!! That reduces so much drama. And also get your DL with a picture of what you look like now WITH a gender appropriate name solves a lot of issues. As well as any credit cards, have a picture of "you" on it etc etc. Then rarely does anyone need to see your DL anyway and the M on it. I don't think people really lookat/for that anyway. I was 24/7 for about 6 months with my old name/ID while I was waiting on name change stuff and hated it.. The name change deal will give you a PILE of self confidence.

One tip is start working on changing your name stuff WAY before it is legally dfinished. Like change any magazines, bills etc etc now. LOTS of places will change the name on an account without any issue. Banks won't but lots of utility companies like phone service etc will. Put your new name on mailing lists by asking for catalogs online, even if it's stuff you're not interested in. Donate small amounts of money to various charities in your new name. This will get your new name in the system as they share it with marketing firms. Call or write anything that is sent to you and request a name change. It took forever to get -everything- changed but now only rarely does any junk mail etc come in my old name, which I just ignore and throw in the trash. He doesn't live here now :P

On the bathroom, I followed the "Use the restroom that is least likely to cause a riot" rule. If people look at you REALLY strange or try to stop you from going in there, you are using the wrong one :P

Also, even if you pass fairly well, don't press your luck by staying in there primping for 10 minutes or talking with people. It's not a place to push social boundies and most people don't chat with strangers in the bathroom anyway. Just go in, do what you need to do, wash ur hands and leave. And smile.  Clearly you don't want to be self conscious or "act weird" so just play in you mind you ARE using the right restroom and I think you will be fine. I tried early on to avoid going to the restroom right after a movie lets out etc where there are 20 women standing in line. Now I really don't care, I go when I need to and NEVER ONCE has anyone acted strange or said anything and I don't feel I "pass" 100% either.

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Ryno

Quote from: SarahElls on July 18, 2011, 09:10:55 PM
...and then it was like I could see the light bulb go on in her head and her smile got bigger.  I really hate that I notice all this with everybody I talk to, but I read people facial expressions easily which can be a bad thing.

Everything seemed to go okay, but I now never know what to say.  I'm growing boobs even that show some now so I think to most I present female now, but there's still those few things that show I used to be male, and it gets very confusing for people in public around me.  I just don't know how to handle each situation, and nobody could, but its really making it hard for me to socialize or go into public much yet.

I still don't know which public restroom I should be using, I present MOSTLY female, but somebody paying attention will still clock me, but to go into a male restroom, looking very much like a girl, could be even more problematic, and then I start to panic.

What do you girls/guys do while still in transition and deal with these things.  It takes self confidence, but a lot of times it seems the bad experiences can be traumatic enough that you lose your confidence for a while.

I'm started to even get confused trying to explain why I have a male name :s


If I had to show my old ID at a bar or for a job interview or in nay other situation, I prefered the smiling reactions a hell of a lot more than any other :P I had a bouncer strike up a conversation about a friend of his who was in "a similar situation" after I handed him my female ID, and a waitress once gave me weird looks until I gave her my ID to order a drink... then she kept smiling at me.

But I'd definitely rather just pass... even if people are friendly about it, it's better to blend in than to be an exhibit...

I do get uncomfortable stares now and then as someone tries to figure me out. This morning I passed an older woman walking a little dog. I was in a wonderful mood, and in this city a lot of people are more than happy to give a hello or good morning to passersby. So I smiled and said hello. She just pinched her lips and looked me up and down and walked by without saying a thing! >.> And another time at my old job as a cashier an older cop-looking guy just scowled at me like he was disgusted with me.

On Saturday I took a cab to the Greyhound station, and the whole time I was naturally giving off my male persona. I wasn't trying to be manly, I was just talking in my lower, now-natural voice (I'm pre-T). At one point, he asked "so, girl, where are you off to this weekend?" and suddenly I just went cold. He'd thought I was a chick the whole time even though in my mind I'd been passing. I suddenly got really embarrassed, assuming he probably thought I was one manly looking bulldyke. But then I just shrugged it off. He clearly had no problem with the way I spoke, dressed, or looked and while I don't identify as a lesbian, there sure as hell shouldn't be any shame in people assuming that's what I am. If they don't pick up my male identity, they're probably going to make the next most-likely assumption about me.

Washrooms are terrifying. I'd definitely recommend the women's - if you're ever going to encounter any kind of washroom-based discrimination, the women's is your safest bet and it is the one you'd probably prefer to use anyway. When I use the men's I just walk in, make no eye contact and go straight to doing my thing and leaving... just act natural. In the woman's, it's more acceptable to take your time, relax, look in the mirror and touch up your make up or hair. Chin up, shoulders relaxed, and even if you're feeling anxious, you will look like you're comfortable being there and have been in similar places thousands of times.

I do agree with Stephe that ten minute touch-ups and washroom socializing is a little over the top but I do recall high school lunch hours, when my female riends and I would spend a good twenty minutes in the washroom just going on about nothing and fiddling with our face paint. There are times a chick might say to another, "ooh, I love your top!" and they might strike up a conversation but I wouldn't go for such a compliment yet. If it happens to you, it's a sign you're fitting in. But I read a suggestion somewhere that complimenting another woman's handbag or top is a good way to pass in the washroom - I would hold off on such comments until you're completely comfortable and pass the majority of the time. Also - don't do it if it's not something you'd normally be interested in talking about. It is a stereotypical comment to assume that, just because you are a transwomen, you must automatically be obsessed about fashion.
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MarinaM

Confusing people is part of my my day to day life :) I will PM you a video I made for another Susan's member in which I will not be perceived as "passing," but I assure you, I pass like a quarterback. Nobody bothers me.

I am un-genderable in practice. I have no marker in my voice, people wait to see which bathroom I walk into just to figure me out. 8 out of ten times the person won't address me in a gendered fashion, and the other two times out of the ten (lately) are female. As soon as people stopped calling me sir EVERY SINGLE TIME, I announced myself full time.

I took my daughter to the ladies room just the other day, and not a single six year old (there were three roaming in there for some reason) read me. Men though, men are terrifying. You'll get there, women come in all shapes and sizes :) Don't sweat it.
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apple pie

I ended up in emergency department about a year or so ago too with a very confused looking (male) nurse coming up to me and saying "uhhh sorry to be asking you this but for some reason your record says male..." I then proceeded to confuse him more by saying "yes I am, don't I look male?" in a girl voice >:-) :laugh: It didn't help that my real name is mostly regarded as a girl's name in this country! That was funny.
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Jasper

I've actually never been in that situation yet. I only recently came out to my girlfriend and a few close friends and I dress more like a man than when this happened but a while ago I went to a pool hall with my girlfriend and I went to the women's washroom (I wasn't even out yet) and some woman in the washroom told me that I wasn't allowed to be in there because I was clearly a man. Apparently I really offended her...and I wasn't even wearing guy clothes!
Also when I am at work I am often mistaken for a male, which is funny when they read my nametag. Gets em every time! Haha...
The other day I held the door for a woman at the mall and she said "Thank you sir." I wasn't even TRYING to pass and I did. It was great for my self esteem though! :D
I'm almost scared though for when I do try. I already avoid public washrooms so maybe I'll be okay.
~Jasper~
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mm

Jasper, this has happened to me several times too, not really intending to pass completely and have someone treat you entirely as a male.  Restrooms can be difficult at times, used the women's and get looks and even questions why I am in there.  I now use the men's in many places and seems to have no problems at all, men going to the restroom are all business, do what you need to do in there and get out.  I use a stall and sit, no problem ever.
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