If you had a penis, would you want to be circumcised or not?

[AbraCadabra]

I personally use AFAB some of the time, as well as cis as opposed to bio. But I can see why it's unfamiliar to Axelle - let's face it, first of all, we don't commonly use those terms even on trans sites. I wasn't familiar with them for ages until I heard them, and decided they were more appropriate. I use them now.

As for referring to the clitoris and such as "vagina", again, I can see why. A LOT of people tend to think of that area as a vagina. Again, it's a lack of education in society at large. A lot of ciswomen just call it all a vagina and don't know a lot about what's happening down there. And they've had them their whole life!

Whenever someone says something that is inaccurate, or perhaps offensive, we need to remember that this is a systematic issue. It isn't Axelle's fault - she has stated that she will use AFAB, but she wants to know more about why it's the more appropriate term. we can't expect people who do not have our experiences to divine what is appropriate and what isn't when the information is not a) readily available and b) easy to search for.

Wow Caseyy, THANK YOU!
it is the second time I got roughed up on the FtM thread by just trying to express myself, simply, and clearly, -  as I though.
I do start to learn some of these no-nos (quite a list it seems now), but as you kindly mentioned this does not just come as "natural" knowing.

It'd have been friendlier to give one some kindly reminder of what is, and what isn't appropriate, instead of just getting whacked with: "you don't ever say that again!" heya!

In the end, we are just using some words, and surely NOT mean to be offensive! It may be some FtM community convention - yet it makes it close to impossible to actually talk about anything genital this side of the fence. It feels like walking on eggs.

At the same time most everyone FtM is jolly comfortable to go into penises, penis circumcisions and God knows what details, of male genitals?!? Now that seems then all of the sudden A-OK.
BTW I REALLY don't mind to discuss FTM stuff, and male genital issues at all..., but I do mind getting flamed when speaking on the female side of things. Hey, neo-vagina is A-OK, the bio version is not. "Assigned Female At Birth" seems vogue, yet bio- or genetic-female is not. What's wrong with these words I find hard fathom, and used on the MtF side they surely are just fine?

I took my cue from there, not to find out, what's good for the goose AIN'T good for the gander, or visa versa, if that is yet again construed by some to be offensive... eh.

Seems like some double standards to me, to talk about stuff behind foreskins, male genital hygiene, (still very much applying to MtF pre- and non-ops) and at the same time find a words like Bio, Vagina, or Female offensive?!?

Is that really fair or even sensible?
I don't think so.

Yet thanks again for your words of reason,
Axelle

[SandraJane]

If you teach a kid from when he's little to wash his penis, do you really think a boy will object to that? The only reason men don't thoroughly wash up is because they never got into the habit of it. I'm against circumcision, at least on babies/children. I never would have it done, in my opinion it is just as disgusting as female circumcision. Also I don't understand why anyone in  their right mind (who likes having a penis) would want to take a knife to it.

If you got one...keep it clean. But part of this discussion centers around the the need for it in the first place, and the lack knowledge and "myths" that still surround the circumcised from the uncircumcised (see Nygeel's earlier posts with "links").

Female circumcision, oh, oh...interestingly enough Clitoridectomy is actual a Federal Crime, and its effects are basically 180 degrees from Male circumcision.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_cutting#Laws_and_prevalence

Axelle, you getting roughed up? Nah, its the other way around...get ready to RRRRumble...

[Beth Andrea]

If you teach a kid from when he's little to wash his penis, do you really think a boy will object to that? The only reason men don't thoroughly wash up is because they never got into the habit of it. I'm against circumcision, at least on babies/children. I never would have it done, in my opinion it is just as disgusting as female circumcision. Also I don't understand why anyone in  their right mind (who likes having a penis) would want to take a knife to it.

That's why they do it to babies...no adult in their right mind would go to a Dr. and say, "Hey Doc, I got an idea the other day, and..."

Unless one gets a "Divine Revelation" or some other kind of infection, even the thought of snipping there wouldn't happen.

imho

[SandraJane]

Unless one gets a "Divine Revelation" or some other kind of infection...

Very interesting way of putting it!

[regan]

Very interesting way of putting it!

That's the only time I've heard of it being done post-infancy, for treatment of recurrent infections; but then again go back to the earlier posts about "keeping it clean"...

[AbraCadabra]

OK, some more RRRRumble?

There are a number of misconception about AFAB circumcisions.
One of the off-shoots - AFAB persons are now having AFAB-genitalia's clit-hood circumcision in what's also going under AFAB-genitalia-rejuvenation.

It (AFAB-genitalia-rejuvenation) has by now become the 2nd most an asked for plastic surgery after BA.

In this case, it involves the parallel to an AMAB-genitalia circumcision, i.e. the freeing of the AFAB-genitalia's clit-glans by shortening (slightly) the AFAB-genitalia's clit-hood.

I dare say, this is getting rather hard now doing some just some simple posting - may get used it, don't know.

Axelle
PS: I only mention this as it just might be of some interest to some AFAB non-op-persons with O issues.

Axelle
PS: http://www.accettalvr.com/about-the-procedure/laser-vaginal-rejevenation.aspx

[Nygeel]

It (AFAB-genitalia-rejuvenation) has by now become the 2nd most asked for plastic surgery after BA.

I doubt it...or if people are asking for it then they end up not going through with it.
Source
'Nother Source

[TheAwesomePrussia]

Wow Caseyy, THANK YOU!
it is the second time I got roughed up on the FtM thread by just trying to express myself, simply, and clearly, -  as I though.
I do start to learn some of these no-nos (quite a list it seems now), but as you kindly mentioned this does not just come as "natural" knowing.

It'd have been friendlier to give one some kindly reminder of what is, and what isn't appropriate, instead of just getting whacked with: "you don't ever say that again!" heya!

In the end, we are just using some words, and surely NOT mean to be offensive! It may be some FtM community convention - yet it makes it close to impossible to actually talk about anything genital this side of the fence. It feels like walking on eggs.

At the same time most everyone FtM is jolly comfortable to go into penises, penis circumcisions and God knows what details, of male genitals?!? Now that seems then all of the sudden A-OK.
BTW I REALLY don't mind to discuss FTM stuff, and male genital issues at all..., but I do mind getting flamed when speaking on the female side of things. Hey, neo-vagina is A-OK, the bio version is not. "Assigned Female At Birth" seems vogue, yet bio- or genetic-female is not. What's wrong with these words I find hard fathom, and used on the MtF side they surely are just fine?

I took my cue from there, not to find out, what's good for the goose AIN'T good for the gander, or visa versa, if that is yet again construed by some to be offensive... eh.

Seems like some double standards to me, to talk about stuff behind foreskins, male genital hygiene, (still very much applying to MtF pre- and non-ops) and at the same time find a words like Bio, Vagina, or Female offensive?!?

Is that really fair or even sensible?
I don't think so.

Yet thanks again for your words of reason,
Axelle

If I remember correctly from before, you are from Germany, yes?

[Annah]

i find uncircumcised penis' to be more pleasing to the eye and being with an uncircumcised man in the past, it felt more pleasurable.

I just pray one day the docs can make the guys' downstairs as perfect as the girls' procedures. I do not find it very fair that the recent decades so much concentrated on the art of sculpting a vagina versus giving as much attention to the transmen downstairs.

I heard they are improving, so that's wonderful!

[TheAwesomePrussia]

I actually hear there's been a few studies involving gene therapy as opposed to hormone therapy. It's still in animal testing (specifically rats). But it's unfortunately not being looked into for trans studies... And they don't seem to have any interest in trans studies either. -sigh-

[Devlyn]

And who doesn't love the little warrior, standing at attention with his little helmet, waiting for orders to crash the gates?

[Annah]

And who doesn't love the little warrior, standing at attention with his little helmet, waiting for orders to crash the gates?

The same little warrior wearing a flack jacket is much stronger

[Aussie Jay]

OK I apologise now but I really don't get why this question was posed coz as a baby - you would have had no choice! As for getting circumcised now - what man in his right mind would cut the top off his dick!?!? But FWIW I would have been cut as my brother and father are, and it was the done thing around the time I was born, so no say in it - that's the way it would have been.

If we're talking about now and lower surgery.. Phallo I've only ever seen it done as a cut version. If meta I would keep it uncut as it is - why on earth would I cut it - I want every little goddam mm I can get mate! Plus it affords some protection and it's what I'm used to.. It ain't broke, why try 'fix' it!!

As for if I was suddenly given a full size, biological and fully functional penis right now - I would honestly not give a flying-four-lettered-word if it was cut or uncut - I would have an adult sized, fully functional dick!!!

As for my son - that's a decision for my wife and I, but I would be asking what the benefits were of doing it vs not doing it. And if the not doing it column outweighed the doing it - no snip for my boy! Far as I can tell it's no longer automatically the 'done thing'.. So as you can tell I haven't done a lot of research on the issue as I feel it really doesn't apply to me so why worry. And as for personal experience with dicks, well I don't have any of that either lol! 

j.

[Devlyn]

Annah, that's a good one! Put the warrior in a raincoat and he's truly safe!

[J.T.]

My heritage is Jewish... so you know my answer.

Every other male in my family is circumcised.  Frankly, it looks better and less risk of transmitting disease.

I'm a little shocked at how many people wouldn't.  I guess 'cause of where I live and the culture I come from.

[spenceroar]

Okay, I do have a penis - but if I were born with a biological male's anatomy then yes - I would like to be uncircumcised.
I feel that unless it's medically necisary, or for religious reasons - circumcision is kind of like saying "What a gorgeous baby boy! He's perfect, except for that bit - lets cut it off!"

[kyril]

If I could have a full-sized working dick, I can't bring myself to imagine caring whether it was cut or not.

Wouldn't cut my kids. That's for damn sure. And if I could go back and make myself be born with a penis, I'd try to arrange for it not to be cut. But right now...I don't care.

I also don't care when it comes to my partners. My ex was uncut and had a beautiful dick; my current quasi-bf is cut and also has a beautiful dick.

[Devyn]

To be honest, if I could have a completely realistic penis and it worked and was at least average sized, etc., I don't think I would care about if it was circumcised or not.

Although my mom hates uncircumcised penises, so I'm under the assumption that I would have been circumcised.

[Annah]

My heritage is Jewish... so you know my answer.

Every other male in my family is circumcised.  Frankly, it looks better and less risk of transmitting disease.

I'm a little shocked at how many people wouldn't.  I guess 'cause of where I live and the culture I come from.

Im from the Jewish decent too and my mom put a stop to the circumcision right after I was born. She saw my circumcision and came to the conclusion it was barbaric (for her). She is a doctor and she never found any proof positive evidence that a circumcised penis is healthier.  The name of the game is "wash your penis and you don't have to worry about it whether or not you are circumcise or uncircumcised."

[Lee]

I like the look of cut penises, but I would be happy to have it either way.  I do think that circumcision is a weird thing to do, though.