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Started by ZaidaZadkiel, August 16, 2011, 10:51:27 AM

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Kelly J. P.

 I feel wonderful today. Grateful for myself, proud of myself, feeling confident and beautiful...

And I don't even have a clue why.
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Shantel

Quote from: Kelly J. P. on March 08, 2012, 05:35:02 PM
I feel wonderful today. Grateful for myself, proud of myself, feeling confident and beautiful...

That's good you should sweetie!
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Shantel

Quote from: foosnark on February 09, 2012, 11:50:14 AM
Annoyed.  My company is indirectly doing business with a relatively well-known and respected transwoman, who the conservative among us has worked for before she transitioned roughly 15 years ago.  He apparently cannot even so much as hear her name without suffering massive pronoun malfunctions and speculating as to whether she really wants to be addressed as a woman or not.

I came close to saying something today, and I still might if he keeps this up.
I would, the guy is obviously being a willful pig! My Bro-in-law is manager of a large company. One of the employees came out MtF and was doing her real life full time at work. There arose an undercurrent of grumbling. He held a management meeting and outlined what the situation would be in the workplace and the level of respect that this woman would get from everyone and that those who objected were welcome to submit their immediate resignation letter. Problem solved! Bro-in-law my hero because he took the initiative to thwart the naysayers and bigots up front.
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ativan

The coffee pot got broken. No coffee. brain is sslowwinggg d..o...w....n...... got     to  find......a way ,,,,,to get dxcioffwwee.......
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Julian

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ativan

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ativan

It's late and this is as far back as I'm going to look for old threads that are worth bringing back.
Good night!
Ativan
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Shantel

Quote from: Ativan Prescribed on April 10, 2013, 02:47:01 AM
It's late and this is as far back as I'm going to look for old threads that are worth bringing back.
Good night!
Ativan

Good going, this thread is a keeper! As I read back through it I mused over the changes in so many lives that had posted here. Thanks Ativan!  :)
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Keira

Disappointed and just generally depressed. I'm sick of having to chase down doctors and therapists just because they know nothing about trans health care. I feel like a freakin' human encyclopedia, like I should have to provide all of the information...yeah right, and who's supposed to be the "professional".

I'm done trying to get therapy or hrt...this is pointless.
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Shantel

Quote from: Sky-Blue on April 10, 2013, 08:16:36 AM
Disappointed and just generally depressed. I'm sick of having to chase down doctors and therapists just because they know nothing about trans health care. I feel like a freakin' human encyclopedia, like I should have to provide all of the information...yeah right, and who's supposed to be the "professional".

I'm done trying to get therapy or hrt...this is pointless.

Wait....what happened to yesterday? You were flying high, where did that go? What about those people you had met? Surely between them they can come up with some resources for you!
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Keira

Quote from: Shantel on April 10, 2013, 08:20:41 AM
Wait....what happened to yesterday? You were flying high, where did that go? What about those people you had met? Surely between them they can come up with some resources for you!

Only "k's" partner would know anything about that. And I haven't met his partner...

Even if his partner had resources, with my luck something will go wrong; something always goes wrong.

Also, I realized that I won't be able to start transitioning without getting hrt first...
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Shantel

Quote from: Sky-Blue on April 10, 2013, 08:24:49 AM
Only "k's" partner would know anything about that. And I haven't met his partner...

Even if his partner had resources, with my luck something will go wrong; something always goes wrong.

Also, I realized that I won't be able to start transitioning without getting hrt first...

Look, I get it that you are feeling sorry for yourself that things just seem to be on hold but consider this for a moment. Life is like a small child learning to walk, finally they get up on their feet and lurch across the living room, fall and bang their head on the coffee table and cry and scream. If they never got back up they would never walk and just vegetate. You are going to have to get up and make some effort because it isn't going to happen without your active participation. Find that person and ask some questions, you can do it!
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Keira

Quote from: Shantel on April 10, 2013, 08:35:13 AM
Look, I get it that you are feeling sorry for yourself that things just seem to be on hold but consider this for a moment. Life is like a small child learning to walk, finally they get up on their feet and lurch across the living room, fall and bang their head on the coffee table and cry and scream. If they never got back up they would never walk and just vegetate. You are going to have to get up and make some effort because it isn't going to happen without your active participation. Find that person and ask some questions, you can do it!

Yeah...I'll just go and ask a complete stranger...

It's hard to keep getting back up again, and again, and yet again. Rinse and repeat infinitely.
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Shantel

Quote from: Sky-Blue on April 10, 2013, 08:45:49 AM
Yeah...I'll just go and ask a complete stranger... That's basically what we do at TG group meetings, it's what we do here!

It's hard to keep getting back up again, and again, and yet again. Rinse and repeat infinitely. If the desire is there you will do it until you finally prevail. You're no different than anyone else here hon!
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ativan

Quote from: Sky-Blue on April 10, 2013, 08:16:36 AM
Disappointed and just generally depressed. I'm sick of having to chase down doctors and therapists just because they know nothing about trans health care. I feel like a freakin' human encyclopedia, like I should have to provide all of the information...yeah right, and who's supposed to be the "professional".
First off, it's not pointless. It's frustrating as hell, it usually is.
Getting a therapist that knows about non-binary people is priceless. I keep stressing this point.
Because they are really hard to find. But not impossible.
The amount of information that they have to soak up is a lot and it's not the same as for the Transsexuals they treat.
They're very similar, but it's really difficult for anyone, even therapists, to shift gears into a world that isn't as binary as they grew up in.
There is lots of information out there, it's kind of scattered, but not as much as most therapist think.

http://www.phs.umn.edu/

Right there is the link to the people who literally pushed the idea of non-binary people on the world.
My old Psychologist is Dr Walter Bockting. He moved to Columbia University in NY last Dec.
I now see Dr Gonzalez. I have been seeing Dr Feldman for a few yrs now.

Google Bockting, I think you'll find that his credentials are amazing. He was a past President of WPATH and was and is very instrumental in Trans* healthcare. He literally wrote the book about non-binary and when he couldn't get anywhere in the US, he took his lectures to Europe. Once they grabbed ahold of the concept, the people in the US soon embraced it.

Check out the Bio's on Dr Feldman, and the work she and others have done there not only around the US, but Europe as well.
This applies to finding a medical Dr as well as therapists. You will have to teach them about us.
If they are any good, they will take the time to learn more, to be of more help to us.

My current therapist talked with Dr Bockting and Gonzalez to confer notes about me. She was very impressed with them.
She's a management consultant for an international corporation and does management lectures and training courses for them.
Today is my last time I will see her, she is going to be spending more time with her management position with the corporation.
I will miss her a lot. Just like I miss Walter. But life goes on, and I'm sure things will be OK. I'm happy for her.
The point she made at our last meeting was that I taught her so much about non-binary people.
She is going to use that info in her new position. She wants to learn more, she wants to help us by teaching others now.
I had to teach her about people like us, she in turn taught me more about myself, knowing more from me.
She's a very highly regarded therapist and I had to teach her. That's how it works.

Any and all information they have at PHS is available to other Psychologists, Drs, therapist, etc. They only need to contact them.
They can make referrals for them to pick up additional info in other places as well.
They are very good with this, they work really hard at not only research, but making the results known for the professionals that need it.

Yet, at the same time, I am always answering questions for them, too. It's the way it works.
Therapists and Psychologists don't know all there is to know about non-binaries, nor do they know everything there is about Trans* people in general.
It's an ongoing process.

I opened my therapists eyes to my own nature, she in turn used that information with her knowledge of therapy and we ended up with a very good healthy relationship that I also have come away with knowing more about myself. This is how it works. It's a two way street.
There isn't anyone, therapist, psychologist, medical Dr, who is going to have as much information about you as you already do.
It's a back and forth process to work with them. It's not just a matter of them telling you what they know.
There isn't any college or university courses that are about nonbinary people.
There are of course one off lectures and things like that, but there isn't a course that they go through front to back and come out knowing all there is to know about us, let alone Trans* people in general.
Not very many specialize in us. Not that many are specialists in Trans* people only.
But there are many who want more info. PHS is one of the best for that.
The other is you, all of you. It is up to us to make sure they understand correctly, what we are all about.
That's a pretty tall order considering how diverse we are.
We learn from each other here in this section of a Trans* forum. Use that information to help them also.
It will make them a better professional for the next non-binary they see. It will make them a better professional for you while you see them.
If they aren't willing to listen and learn, don't waste your time on them, move on.
There are more and more professionals that are more than willing to learn.
These are the people to seek out. If you keep looking for that one who will know it all, you won't find them.
The people that know us best are ourselves.
But they can use the knowledge they have to work with you. It's a give and take.

It's frustrating as hell to run into so called professionals that aren't willing to learn.
Those are the ones who will ultimately fail as professionals, or become specialized into something that probably has nothing to offer you.
Leave them alone. Run away!
Go find someone who has been waiting for you to show up and teach them as well as they are going to be helping you.
That's just the way it is. There isn't any getting around it.
You don't just walk into a therapists office, listen and walk out all happy and sh*t.
You have to tell them everything, everything about you if you are going to get anything back from them.
Just like there isn't a good for everything that ails you med.
And any therapist who makes a claim like that is a snake oil salesperson. Run away!
Look for a therapist who is interested in you.
It takes time for them to get to know you well enough for them to work with you.
The more you tell them the better.

Even if you have to teach them about your particular brand of non-binary.
Because you are not in any book, anywhere.
But you are a walking talking fountain of information. About you.
Don't give up on therapists, it takes going through a few to find the right one for yourself, it takes time.

Which is one of the more important things to know about any help, medically, transitionally, HRT use, all of it.
It takes time. It takes time. It is going to take time. There isn't any short cuts.
If you think you have found one, be very careful.
Short cuts would be the main road if it wasn't for something wrong with them. Some of them could kill you.
They just aren't worth it. Plan on taking the time to get to were you want to be.
Have a plan, you need to make one.
You also need to be flexible enough to change your plan, because you are going to change as you move along with whatever that original plan was.
It will change, because you are going to change.
Isn't that the whole point of it?

Don't give up. There are people who truly care about you.
Not just care, but care about you.
I know I do. Because I have found that people are out there that cared enough about me.
Enough to keep giving me more and better chances, despite my mistakes.
I care. We care. And so do you. You matter more than you know.
Ativan
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androgynoid

Scared. Stressed. Mostly scared.
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Keira

Quote from: Ativan Prescribed on April 10, 2013, 10:34:16 AM
First off, it's not pointless. It's frustrating as hell, it usually is.
Getting a therapist that knows about non-binary people is priceless. I keep stressing this point.
Because they are really hard to find. But not impossible.
The amount of information that they have to soak up is a lot and it's not the same as for the Transsexuals they treat.
They're very similar, but it's really difficult for anyone, even therapists, to shift gears into a world that isn't as binary as they grew up in.
There is lots of information out there, it's kind of scattered, but not as much as most therapist think.

http://www.phs.umn.edu/

Right there is the link to the people who literally pushed the idea of non-binary people on the world.
My old Psychologist is Dr Walter Bockting. He moved to Columbia University in NY last Dec.
I now see Dr Gonzalez. I have been seeing Dr Feldman for a few yrs now.

Google Bockting, I think you'll find that his credentials are amazing. He was a past President of WPATH and was and is very instrumental in Trans* healthcare. He literally wrote the book about non-binary and when he couldn't get anywhere in the US, he took his lectures to Europe. Once they grabbed ahold of the concept, the people in the US soon embraced it.

Check out the Bio's on Dr Feldman, and the work she and others have done there not only around the US, but Europe as well.
This applies to finding a medical Dr as well as therapists. You will have to teach them about us.
If they are any good, they will take the time to learn more, to be of more help to us.

My current therapist talked with Dr Bockting and Gonzalez to confer notes about me. She was very impressed with them.
She's a management consultant for an international corporation and does management lectures and training courses for them.
Today is my last time I will see her, she is going to be spending more time with her management position with the corporation.
I will miss her a lot. Just like I miss Walter. But life goes on, and I'm sure things will be OK. I'm happy for her.
The point she made at our last meeting was that I taught her so much about non-binary people.
She is going to use that info in her new position. She wants to learn more, she wants to help us by teaching others now.
I had to teach her about people like us, she in turn taught me more about myself, knowing more from me.
She's a very highly regarded therapist and I had to teach her. That's how it works.

Any and all information they have at PHS is available to other Psychologists, Drs, therapist, etc. They only need to contact them.
They can make referrals for them to pick up additional info in other places as well.
They are very good with this, they work really hard at not only research, but making the results known for the professionals that need it.

Yet, at the same time, I am always answering questions for them, too. It's the way it works.
Therapists and Psychologists don't know all there is to know about non-binaries, nor do they know everything there is about Trans* people in general.
It's an ongoing process.

I opened my therapists eyes to my own nature, she in turn used that information with her knowledge of therapy and we ended up with a very good healthy relationship that I also have come away with knowing more about myself. This is how it works. It's a two way street.
There isn't anyone, therapist, psychologist, medical Dr, who is going to have as much information about you as you already do.
It's a back and forth process to work with them. It's not just a matter of them telling you what they know.
There isn't any college or university courses that are about nonbinary people.
There are of course one off lectures and things like that, but there isn't a course that they go through front to back and come out knowing all there is to know about us, let alone Trans* people in general.
Not very many specialize in us. Not that many are specialists in Trans* people only.
But there are many who want more info. PHS is one of the best for that.
The other is you, all of you. It is up to us to make sure they understand correctly, what we are all about.
That's a pretty tall order considering how diverse we are.
We learn from each other here in this section of a Trans* forum. Use that information to help them also.
It will make them a better professional for the next non-binary they see. It will make them a better professional for you while you see them.
If they aren't willing to listen and learn, don't waste your time on them, move on.
There are more and more professionals that are more than willing to learn.
These are the people to seek out. If you keep looking for that one who will know it all, you won't find them.
The people that know us best are ourselves.
But they can use the knowledge they have to work with you. It's a give and take.

It's frustrating as hell to run into so called professionals that aren't willing to learn.
Those are the ones who will ultimately fail as professionals, or become specialized into something that probably has nothing to offer you.
Leave them alone. Run away!
Go find someone who has been waiting for you to show up and teach them as well as they are going to be helping you.
That's just the way it is. There isn't any getting around it.
You don't just walk into a therapists office, listen and walk out all happy and sh*t.
You have to tell them everything, everything about you if you are going to get anything back from them.
Just like there isn't a good for everything that ails you med.
And any therapist who makes a claim like that is a snake oil salesperson. Run away!
Look for a therapist who is interested in you.
It takes time for them to get to know you well enough for them to work with you.
The more you tell them the better.

Even if you have to teach them about your particular brand of non-binary.
Because you are not in any book, anywhere.
But you are a walking talking fountain of information. About you.
Don't give up on therapists, it takes going through a few to find the right one for yourself, it takes time.

Which is one of the more important things to know about any help, medically, transitionally, HRT use, all of it.
It takes time. It takes time. It is going to take time. There isn't any short cuts.
If you think you have found one, be very careful.
Short cuts would be the main road if it wasn't for something wrong with them. Some of them could kill you.
They just aren't worth it. Plan on taking the time to get to were you want to be.
Have a plan, you need to make one.
You also need to be flexible enough to change your plan, because you are going to change as you move along with whatever that original plan was.
It will change, because you are going to change.
Isn't that the whole point of it?

Don't give up. There are people who truly care about you.
Not just care, but care about you.
I know I do. Because I have found that people are out there that cared enough about me.
Enough to keep giving me more and better chances, despite my mistakes.
I care. We care. And so do you. You matter more than you know.
Ativan

Thank you. :)
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Shantel

Quote from: androgynoid on April 10, 2013, 10:55:57 AM
Scared. Stressed. Mostly scared.

Would you care to expand on that a bit Julian? You aren't telling us what you're scared of, I know it's not the North Koreans because they couldn't hit where you live with one of their shaky missiles, so first of all how did the interview go? Then tell us the rest!  :)
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androgynoid

Quote from: Shantel on April 10, 2013, 11:02:53 AM
Would you care to expand on that a bit Julian? You aren't telling us what you're scared of, I know it's not the North Koreans because they couldn't hit where you live with one of their shaky missiles, so first of all how did the interview go? Then tell us the rest!  :)

The interview wasn't terrible. I think I did all right, but the interviewer seemed to be having a bad day. Still waiting to hear back.

I'm scared of change, I think.

I'm giving away a whole basketful of feminine clothes to my friend who's a trans woman just starting out, and it made me cry sorting through them, even though the stuff I'm giving away doesn't physically fit my body anymore so I couldn't wear it if I wanted to. I feel like I'm closing a door on a chapter of my life. I know I'm opening all sorts of new doors, but it's a big scary world out there.

I'm scared of what the future holds. I'm taking a lot of chances right now, and there are a lot of ways that things can go wrong.

I'm scared that the decisions I'm making will turn out to be wrong. I'm scared that my savings will dry up before I can find either a full-time job or enough part-time work to get by. I'm scared that I'll start T and end up more dysphoric than I was before, and unable to fix it.

I'm just really afraid right now.
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Shantel

Quote from: androgynoid on April 10, 2013, 11:24:41 AM
The interview wasn't terrible. I think I did all right, but the interviewer seemed to be having a bad day. Still waiting to hear back.
That part is always a bit disconcerting and leaves you wondering about things you'd rather not think of.
I'm scared of change, I think. Welcome to my world, it gets worst as you get older. I knew I was a goner when I had to have my kids program everything for me and it's just because we put up mental walls of resistance to change.

I'm giving away a whole basketful of feminine clothes to my friend who's a trans woman just starting out, and it made me cry sorting through them, even though the stuff I'm giving away doesn't physically fit my body anymore so I couldn't wear it if I wanted to. I feel like I'm closing a door on a chapter of my life. Yeah, I understand hon, you closed that door with top surgery and opened a new door and no doubt there will be unknowns, but try and see it as an adventure where you just stepped through a black hole and are now in a new dimension. I know it sounds silly, but it works for me. I know I'm opening all sorts of new doors, but it's a big scary world out there.

I'm scared of what the future holds. I'm taking a lot of chances right now, and there are a lot of ways that things can go wrong.

I'm scared that the decisions I'm making will turn out to be wrong. I'm scared that my savings will dry up before I can find either a full-time job or enough part-time work to get by. I'm scared that I'll start T and end up more dysphoric than I was before, and unable to fix it. I know that a lot of that fear and apprehension is hormonally driven right now and that will no doubt change, you probably need to work on it in your own head though and don't count on T to make changes in your thinking completely. Like I've said for cis males, most of their male macho behavior is learned and a smaller percentage is T driven. That's why so many MtF types who weren't necessarily sissies or gay to begin with have such a huge learning curve.

I'm just really afraid right now. Don't be you're young. If you screw up just pick yourself back up and hit the reset button, you will be just fine Julien.
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