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Started by qUiRkY qUeEn, October 14, 2011, 10:12:56 PM

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qUiRkY qUeEn

My partner is MTF on hormones for 4 - 5 months and goes to the store and is being called sir. She comes home and ask me if she looks like a man. I tell her sometimes she does. She ask me what looks like a man to me I told her, her cheeks. I am a liar in her eyes and she feels she can not trust me even if her life depended on it!!! I gave up a baby for her!!!!!! I am extremely broken right now!!!!!!! I support her and try to give her postive reinformant, but she considers that lieing, Is it? She feels like the only person she can depend on does not love her because I am a liar. I am not trying to lie to hurt her!!! I am trying to tell her she is beautiful and will be cute. BUT she does not get that outside of the house. I am extrememly heart broken!!! She feels like she has been seeing an elusion in the mirror, as far as her looking cute and feels she will always look like a man!!!! And her wife is a liar so her life is ruined!!!! I am trying to give her positive reinforcement!! Is that wrong???? I have given myself completely to her and this is my thanks from her!!!!!!!! OMG.... I hope this has made since!!!!! Oh and I can not do anything right!!!!!
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Annah

if you told her the truth of why you think sometimes she does not pass and tell her what things may make it harder to pass, I do not think you are lying at all.

Honesty to me is so very important and what you did was incredibly honest and caring. You did not lie to her and say "what? They said that? You pass absolutely!"

I think she may be more upset that you were honest and she's saying it in a way to make it easier for her.

Because trust me, we HATE hearing "oh that feature makes you masculine."  However, it will sting (there is no doubt about it) I would still have so much respect for that person to go out of there comfort zone to answer my question truthfully.

Hang in there :) I am sure she will come around. I admire you so much that you continued the relationship with her. So many SO dumps their MTF or FTM partners when they come out. I admire that you kept it going!!!
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Sage

Umm, hi, I'm Sage. 

And it's pretty obvious that you're really upset, so why don't we just...try and calm down and talk through this, okay?   ;)

Well, from what I'm seeing (sorry if I'm totally being Captain Obvious here) she's having some serious security issues pertaining to her physical appearance.  Honestly there probably isn't much you or anyone else can say that will get rid of those insecurities; they're in her mind and she needs to sort them out, no one can do that for her.  I agree with Annah, I believe you're going about this the right way when it comes to being honest about things.  Believe me, she'll appreciate it in the long run. 

And it can be extremely upsetting when a person wants and tries so much to help the person he/she/zie loves, but it doesn't work out.  You're probably feeling very hurt and at a loss as to what to do, and that's normal.  When my girlfriend, who also happens to be MtF, gets like this, it's very hard for me; I just want to scoop her up in my arms and hug all the pain away.  Sadly, it doesn't work that way sometimes.  And I'm sure when I get all dysphoric when it comes to my outer appearance she feels the same way.

Maybe it would help to point out to her that the drastic changes she wants aren't going to happen overnight, but with patience she will blossom into the lovely lady she's meant to be.  She also hasn't been on hormones for very long, her body could still be adjusting to them and everything, maybe?

Sorry if I haven't been very helpful, but I felt the need to try and reach out and help you, because I know how hard this can be.   ???
"Be whoever you are, but be loud. Be completely fearless when you do it. That's the big thing. Just be a fearless person. A fearless artist, a fearless accountant. Whatever you want to be." - Gerard Way, My Chemical Romance

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qUiRkY qUeEn

Thank you both for your responses!!! I greatly appreciate you for help me out in this critical time in my marriage. I did not lie THIS time, but my partner has caught me in lies in the past!! I have eventually owned up to them. I NEVER EVER wanted to hurt her in the end and now she has become feed up with my lies of her appearance. BUT I WAS ALWAYS TAUGHT POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT WAS NOT LIEING!!! Even our marriage therapist has confirmed this!! Maybe I should not do this positive reinforcement thing toward my spouse. Well actually I should not ever, she has told me not too. I want the best for her and she is cute and is beautiful on the outside already!!!!! I see female when I am near her!!! My feelings of not hurting her have worked totally against me and her!!! I will prevail in this!!! I will do what I must to be the greatest partner to her as she has been to me in the past 9 years!!!! Times will get better!!
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Sage

Quote from: qUiRkY qUeEn on October 14, 2011, 11:19:36 PM
I will prevail in this!!! I will do what I must to be the greatest partner to her as she has been to me in the past 9 years!!!! Times will get better!!
'Atta girl; that's the spirit!  ;)
"Be whoever you are, but be loud. Be completely fearless when you do it. That's the big thing. Just be a fearless person. A fearless artist, a fearless accountant. Whatever you want to be." - Gerard Way, My Chemical Romance

私は死にかむ。
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JoanneB

I think I know what  my wife's answer will be if I asked her "Do I look like a man?". The answer will be same as my own and as completely honest as my own opinion; that yes I do. I got a lot of history of looking at an image of myself in the mirror. She has over 30 years of memories of looking at me. I know I cannot completely and objectively look past the mental image. It is totally unfair of me to expect her to be able to. Especially when this isn't what she signed up for years ago.

Do I pass? Yes I do. Do I go out of my way to send a clear unambiguous message out to the world that I am a woman? You bet!

Your feelings and opinions are legitimate. She cannot deny you them. She may not like hearing them but the fact remains you are hanging in there with her, being as supportive as you can, and are not trying to make every day you are together a living hell! Way more wives just cut and run. You are one of the exceptional ones. Even going above and beyond the call of duty.

I know one married MTF in my group who is often whinning and moaning about how often the wrong pronoun is used etc, etc.. The thing is, at least to the meetings, she is at best androgynous. About the most femme aspect is her nails. Always in baggy jeans, loose tee, no makeup. Sure, I am being just a tad sexist. Sorry, I live in the real world where real people live. If you want people to see woman, you need to dress, groom, and act woman. I get by even with my basso profundo version of a woman's voice.

I think the real question your SO should be asking is what she can do to help project the image she wants the world to perceive her as. How she dresses, her makeup, her mannerisms, the words she uses and how she speaks, etc.. I totally appreciate the help my wife gives, especially if her opinions are not like mine. If they were the same as mine, why would I need hers?

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LilDevilOfPrada

sweetie i think i know who's your sweetie wife and if its her we have all seen how insecure she can be but give her time i mean i am not sure y but hrt  makes our body paranoia worse because we hope we will become a girl at every angle over night i know i do but she will stop thinking that eventually i say just keep up the sport you sound quite gr8 :) and if i remember correctly she ain't even 6 month hrt yet so that's still at a early stage:) she is being a impatient nelly is all :) just try bare with her for the moment
Awww no my little kitten gif site is gone :( sad.


2 Febuary 2011/13 June 2011 hrt began
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