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I have ->-bleeped-<-. Is 20 too late to pass *attractively*? (pics)

Started by Ultimus, December 03, 2011, 03:36:39 PM

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Butterflyhugs

Quote from: Just Shelly on December 04, 2011, 07:24:31 PM
I didn't say anything about attraction.

I am not attracted to men, if I was I wouldn't consider myself homosexual but if I engage in anal sex with my anatomical parts I was born with I am having a homosexual sex. If I'm wrong, please feel free to correct!

The term "homosexual" and its antonym "heterosexual" both describe sexual orientation.

Sexual orientation describes the gender to which you are attracted (based on if it is the same or different than your own).

So yes, by definition, using the term "homosexual" is talking specifically about attraction. Thus I reiterate, a woman (and I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume everyone here at susan's considers MTF transsexuals to be women) attracted to men (a different gender than her own) is NOT A HOMOSEXUAL.
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cynthialee

Quote from: Just Shelly on December 04, 2011, 07:24:31 PM
I didn't say anything about attraction.

I am not attracted to men, if I was I wouldn't consider myself homosexual but if I engage in anal sex with my anatomical parts I was born with I am having a homosexual sex. If I'm wrong, please feel free to correct!

How would you wrap your head around an MTF/FTM relationship where they use their birth parts as normaly intended?
They are a heterosexual couple no matter how you slice it.

**just love throwing that one out to complicate the thought process's**
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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Ultimus

Quote from: Sailor_Saturn on December 04, 2011, 08:27:27 PM
Not that it hasn't been emphasized by several posts already, but I think I'll go ahead and overemphasize the point:

->-bleeped-<- DOES NOT EXIST.

Ok, like I mentioned earlier in the thread, I am going to see my psychiatrist of 2 years on Tuesday, at which point I will request HRT and express that I am transgendered. What are the critical points that I need to make clear to him? I was hoping to go in with a list of questions and comments to talk about.

And just so that I can have an intelligent discussion with him, why exactly is autogynophilia a whack theory that should be discarded?
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cynthialee

Quote from: jdinatale on December 04, 2011, 09:38:06 PM
Ok, like I mentioned earlier in the thread, I am going to see my psychiatrist of 2 years on Tuesday, at which point I will request HRT and express that I am transgendered. What are the critical points that I need to make clear to him? I was hoping to go in with a list of questions and comments to talk about.

And just so that I can have an intelligent discussion with him, why exactly is autogynophilia a whack theory that should be discarded?

This is basically just a repost of something I posted last month in another thread.

QuoteThe ->-bleeped-<- theory is easily shot down.

Do any GG's enjoy dressing up sexy and get aroused by that?
Do any GG's enjoy functioning sexualy in a female capacity?
Do any GG's get aroused at the thought of dressing up sexy or seeing herself involved sexualy in a female way?

Do any men get aroused at thinking about themselves sexualy functioning in a male capacity?
Do any men get turned on by functioning sexually in a male fashion?
Do any men get aroused of thinking about themselves as virile and strong?

These answers are yes.

This alone kills the ->-bleeped-<- theory right there and I do not even have a degree in Psych. So if a layman can shoot this theory down so easily...the bucket has a hole and won't carry watter.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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Ultimus

Quote from: cynthialee on December 04, 2011, 09:45:42 PM
This is basically just a repost of something I posted last month in another thread.

I'm sorry for being ignorant, but I'm still not seeing how exactly that debunks the ->-bleeped-<- theory?
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BrokenCode

jdinatale << I wish you luck!! I hope it goes well with your psychiatrist. But just a fair warning some (not all) PHD people do not like to admit when they are wrong. Its ignorance. Trust me I deal with them all the time. They can't figure out how to open a combination lock door and they blame it on the door. lol. GOOD LUCK, many hugs.



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kelly_aus

Quote from: jdinatale on December 04, 2011, 10:21:25 PM
I'm sorry for being ignorant, but I'm still not seeing how exactly that debunks the ->-bleeped-<- theory?

I'll answer this from my own POV.. Whilst I may have a male body, I have a woman's mind.. As such, it's perfectly normal for me to enjoy dressing up sexy and get aroused by that or enjoy functioning sexually in a female capacity?

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pretty

Quote from: kelly_aus on December 04, 2011, 11:02:45 PM
I'll answer this from my own POV.. Whilst I may have a male body, I have a woman's mind.. As such, it's perfectly normal for me to enjoy dressing up sexy and get aroused by that or enjoy functioning sexually in a female capacity?

I thought the theory was that ->-bleeped-<- people get aroused dressing in normal women's clothing (and, as some experience around here seems to indicate, underwear).

'Cuz I can tell you right now that women who get aroused cracking open a 3-pack of fruit of the loom are few and far between.  :D
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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: pretty on December 04, 2011, 11:18:20 PM

'Cuz I can tell you right now that women who get aroused cracking open a 3-pack of fruit of the loom are few and far between.  :D

I got horny when I opened the bag of chips.
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Forever21Chic

Quote from: jdinatale on December 04, 2011, 09:38:06 PM
Ok, like I mentioned earlier in the thread, I am going to see my psychiatrist of 2 years on Tuesday, at which point I will request HRT and express that I am transgendered. What are the critical points that I need to make clear to him? I was hoping to go in with a list of questions and comments to talk about.

And just so that I can have an intelligent discussion with him, why exactly is autogynophilia a whack theory that should be discarded?

   I'm not going to get into why autogynophilia is or isn't a bunk theory but i will say that from what you've told us already you're not happy living as a male and your psychiatrist's treatment plan (testosterone shots, doing manly things, etc) is clearly not working so just tell him that. Tell him honestly how you feel and that you would like to explore this futher, if he disagrees and insists you continue his treatment plan then find another psychiatrist or therapist preferably one that has worked with transexuals.

   I think being on estrogen & testosterone blockers would be the real test for you. Once your T levels are lowered and your E levels are risen you'll gain a better understanding of yourself and what you really want from transition.

  Goodluck! - xo 
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pretty

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 04, 2011, 11:23:13 PM
I got horny when I opened the bag of chips.

Oh no. This is not good.  :o

You... you are actually a potato chip on the inside.
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Joelene9

Jdinatale,
  See your psychiatrist.  There is too much on this thread already!  Be honest with you therapist and yourself. 
  Joelene
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Forever21Chic

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 04, 2011, 11:23:13 PM
I got horny when I opened the bag of chips.

Quote from: pretty on December 04, 2011, 11:46:55 PM
Oh no. This is not good.  :o

You... you are actually a potato chip on the inside.

  Sorry for getting off topic but....LMAO  :laugh:
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Mahsa Tezani

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Inanna

Quote from: jdinatale on December 04, 2011, 10:21:25 PM
I'm sorry for being ignorant, but I'm still not seeing how exactly that debunks the ->-bleeped-<- theory?

What she means is that ->-bleeped-<- is something most women would be labeled if they woke up in a male body.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19591032

"By the common definition of ever having erotic arousal to the thought or image of oneself as a woman, 93% of the respondents would be classified as autogynephilic."
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Annah

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 04, 2011, 01:03:35 PM
I think based on the pic on the right....It's gonna take a few more years and some werqk. I see a slightly feminine male. Maybe you should explore drag/cd before you take the plunge.

why in the world does she have to do drag or cd before she takes the plunge? That's horrible advice.

I was sporting a beard and 380 lbs just two years ago. Hairy arms and everything. I never had to go through a "dragqueen" or "crossdresser phase." I went with my heart. I think the OP should do the same.

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El

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 04, 2011, 01:03:35 PM
I think based on the pic on the right....It's gonna take a few more years and some werqk. I see a slightly feminine male. Maybe you should explore drag/cd before you take the plunge.

Seriously, why? I personally think (Unless you live in SF or some other place with a similar insulated but large gay community)  going drag could hurt a transition. Wearing ridiculous make-up and having people think you are a man who dresses like a woman is gonna hurt your credability when you turn around and say "actually, i was a woman all along and now im gonna make it happen". People are just gonna be like, "sooo why the ridiculous make-up, why the ridiculous attitude?"

I believe Drag, transvestitism and transexualisms are three seperate things with overlapping areas. People do belong to multiple catagories I dont deny, but if you want people to believe its not all about sex and theatrics it might be smart to steer clear.
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A

Quote from: jdinatale on December 03, 2011, 03:36:39 PMI realized at 18 that I had a huge problem and I began seeing a psychiatrist. He determined that I had autogynophilia (->-bleeped-<-).
[...]
I tried testosterone replacement therapy
[...]
I've always been on over 20 different anti-depressants/anxiety/sleeping pills in the past 2 years, but none of it has helped my ->-bleeped-<-.

Problem here. He diagnoses you as an autogynephile. Very well, I guess such a thing exists. But first,  ->-bleeped-<- does not exclude the possibility of transsexualism, and second... Testosterone therapy was pretty much the worse idea that psychiatrist could choose. About equivalent to making a depressed individual see images of death and destruction.

And then he tries a huge bunch of antidepressants without looking at the cause.

This leads me to believe that psychiatrist's competence should be questioned.

Quote from: jdinatale on December 03, 2011, 03:36:39 PM

Here is my happiness scale to help explain the situation:
-Happiness as an unpassable, unattractive female: 1-4 / 10
-Happiness as jdinatale now: 5-7 / 10

-Happiness as a passable woman: 7-8 / 10
-Happiness as an attractive passable woman: 10/10

Here is a point you should reflect on. If being an unpassable woman is inferior to being male, and being male about equivalent to being passable but not attractive, you should really reflect upon this. Do you want to be a woman, or to be sexy? For transition to be a good idea, for me, it's a given that being a passable woman has to be NOTABLY superiorto staying as is, and being an unpassable woman should at least not hurt happiness that much.

Also, please know that sexual reasons are never good reasons to transition. They are not a counterindication or anything, but you have to have NOTABLE reasons aside it for transition to be a good idea.

You need to know that no matter how you end up in the end, transition always includes months, or even years, of uncomfort related to the "in-between" phase. Can you do with this?

Also, even super feminine-looking guys can end up not passing at all if they get very unlucky. And even with the greatest surgeon, even though it usually goes well, sexual function is not guaranteed.

After all of these warnings, are you still sure you are a transsexual and that you want to transition? And after a couple of months, there's no going back. There are way too many cases of people who were not transsexuals who transitioned, and ended up being unhappy, or even committing suicide.  ->-bleeped-<- is one thing, but it alone does not justify transition. If you're not sure, then you should try some more psychologists, because transition will probably not help you. In the opposite case, well, go for it.

Now... Sorry for being so negative, but your case looks like one worth questioning.

Answering your question now. Even though 20 isn't the optimal age, most people transitioning at that age - which is still considered young - end up looking 100% passable. Your face is quite cute-ish, your masculine features don't look all that prominent, you're quite thin, and you're not THAT tall... Your shoulders aren't really broad, either, if you remove the well-trained muscles. If you transition and stop that muscular training, I'm confident that you will pass, and probably be attractive.
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Jen61

Quote from: Annah on December 05, 2011, 01:16:39 AM
why in the world does she have to do drag or cd before she takes the plunge? That's horrible advice.

I was sporting a beard and 380 lbs just two years ago. Hairy arms and everything. I never had to go through a "dragqueen" or "crossdresser phase." I went with my heart. I think the OP should do the same.



Right on Annah, good advice !!!
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Bishounen

Quote from: pretty on December 04, 2011, 11:18:20 PM
I thought the theory was that ->-bleeped-<- people get aroused dressing in normal women's clothing (and, as some experience around here seems to indicate, underwear).

'Cuz I can tell you right now that women who get aroused cracking open a 3-pack of fruit of the loom are few and far between.  :D

There are different cathegories of ->-bleeped-<-, according to the thesis. However, the base theory is that the person gets aroused by imagening himself as a Woman, regardless of clothing.



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