I have ->-bleeped-<-. Is 20 too late to pass *attractively*? (pics)

[Jeneva]

This.

My mom told me last night that the only hope she has is that I don't give up fighting this problem and that I don't give into it. She said she couldn't go on if I did and that her happiness was dependent on me not giving in. I have no doubts she would end up in a mental hospital or dead if she ever finds out. It's a really sucky situation.

It can be,i was 14 when my nan found out about how I felt(raised by my grandparants) she totally freaked out,called me a pervert etc,then she started drinking a lot,which meant she did not take her blood pressure meds,which meant she had a stroke...she died a few years later not even knowing who I was anymore. I've felt guilty my whole life, and lost the only person who ever did love me as a kid growing up.
Sometimes it can be bad.

You do not make decisions for other people.  The consequences of those decisions rest upon the ones who make them.  Don't feel guilt for something someone else did.  The world is hard enough for even a "regular" person, don't make it any harder.

I spent 25+ years being a puppet to this kind of guilt and coercion.  I'm not even talking about MTF transition with that either.  I literally had NO life that wasn't pre approved and preplanned.  It was just a complete ceding of control that was demanded or I wasn't showing respect to my grandparents that took us in when my mother died.  For example 12 years ago while I was still denying my true self, just the fact we decided to use product X in our house being built instead of product Y was enough to have an aunt/sister tell me I was killing him because it would hurt "the family's" image.  And you know what?  EVERY single one of those compromised I had to make for him have been massive BAD decisions for me/us.

You have to live your own life.  Transition may not be right for you, but you need to decide that because YOU feel it isn't.  Not because you were guilted to do it.  PLEASE talk to a therapist about your relationship.  You may find that they can help you feel so much better by losing misplaced guilt.

[Jen61]

It can be,i was 14 when my nan found out about how I felt(raised by my grandparants) she totally freaked out,called me a pervert etc,then she started drinking a lot,which meant she did not take her blood pressure meds,which meant she had a stroke...she died a few years later not even knowing who I was anymore. I've felt guilty my whole life, and lost the only person who ever did love me as a kid growing up.
Sometimes it can be bad.

That is a heavy burden to bear. I am hopping you have outgrow, and perhaps found some solace in the fact that perhaps if it was not your GID, maybe something else would have trigger her drinking and eventual death.

We give our children education and a sense of direction, what they do after that is their choice, and the consequences of their actions their own. This is true for the parents as well. To demand that our children to be who we want them to be is foolish at best; every young person has the right for the "persuit of happines."

[Ultimus]

Hey, can someone give me a quote on how much HRT medicine costs WITHOUT insurance? Is there generics so that it's cheap? I was paying $50 every 3 months for testosterone, is it comparable? Or is it like $300?

[Annah]

Hey, can someone give me a quote on how much HRT medicine costs WITHOUT insurance? Is there generics so that it's cheap? I was paying $50 every 3 months for testosterone, is it comparable? Or is it like $300?

it depends on many factors. If you are going through a doctor, then there are generics and at Target they are cheap. I pay very little.

If you are doing it on your own, I wont comment on that

[Mahsa Tezani]

it depends on many factors. If you are going through a doctor, then there are generics and at Target they are cheap. I pay very little.

If you are doing it on your own, I wont comment on that

Does Target have a membership plan? I'd much rather do that.

[Annah]

Does Target have a membership plan? I'd much rather do that.

most of the hrt on the market has generics now and many of them are listed on their 4 dollar plan where you do not need a membership.

[Mahsa Tezani]

most of the hrt on the market has generics now and many of them are listed on their 4 dollar plan where you do not need a membership.

woohoo...more money to spend on sodas and stuff in the "adult needs' section.

[Ultimus]

it depends on many factors. If you are going through a doctor, then there are generics and at Target they are cheap. I pay very little.

If you are doing it on your own, I wont comment on that

Through a doctor. I have a Sam's club membership too. So it's seriously only like a $4 generic? Cause my testosterone shots were like $50.

[Annah]

Through a doctor. I have a Sam's club membership too. So it's seriously only like a $4 generic? Cause my testosterone shots were like $50.

I know a FTM who only spent 4 bucks a month on Testosterone too.

Go to Walmart, CVS, Rite Aid, and target and ask for a print out of all the 4 dollar generic drugs and then take the list to your doctor.

[Cindy]

Please do remember to not self medicate. In many countries these drugs are not available without a script. This means that your Dr is aware of what you are on and can monitor your health. Self medication will invariably mean you will take too much or too little. All of these drugs are very dangerous. Most are metabolised in the liver, and if the dose is too high the liver will not be happy, and you don't want an unhappy liver.

Cindy

[Rebekah with a K-A-H]

Please do remember to not self medicate. In many countries these drugs are not available without a script. This means that your Dr is aware of what you are on and can monitor your health. Self medication will invariably mean you will take too much or too little. All of these drugs are very dangerous. Most are metabolised in the liver, and if the dose is too high the liver will not be happy, and you don't want an unhappy liver.

Cindy

Okay, so.

I get that this is the official stance of this website, but seriously.  People act as if these drugs are cytotoxic compounds that are gateways to hard drugs.  Sure they're metabolized in the liver, and sure prolonged usage can lead to elevated liver enzymes, but bioidentical hormone injections, pills, gels, etc. are not "very dangerous".  They're not even somewhat dangerous.  They carry with them much, much lower side effects and risks than most other conventional medicines (and even those things that could be considered side effects are really more the differential risks that one has as a member of whichever sex, given their hormonal makeup).

There's no need to fearmonger about it.  Yeah, there are risks to self-medication, but they're not any greater than the potential suicide risk of not starting HRT.

[Jen61]

Okay, so.

I get that this is the official stance of this website, but seriously.  People act as if these drugs are cytotoxic compounds that are gateways to hard drugs.  Sure they're metabolized in the liver, and sure prolonged usage can lead to elevated liver enzymes, but bioidentical hormone injections, pills, gels, etc. are not "very dangerous".  They're not even somewhat dangerous.  They carry with them much, much lower side effects and risks than most other conventional medicines (and even those things that could be considered side effects are really more the differential risks that one has as a member of whichever sex, given their hormonal makeup).

There's no need to fearmonger about it.  Yeah, there are risks to self-medication, but they're not any greater than the potential suicide risk of not starting HRT.

There are TG people in wheel chairs because they took 'bioidentical" hormones. When you take that herbs and bioidentical crap, you are playing Russian roulette with you life. The dangers of these formulations as well as their ineffectiveness have been well documented.


Jen61

[Ultimus]

There are TG people in wheel chairs because they took 'bioidentical" hormones. When you take that herbs and bioidentical crap, you are playing Russian roulette with you life. The dangers of these formulations as well as their ineffectiveness have been well documented.


Jen61

This.

Not to appeal to authority, but Jen61 from what I understand has a Ph.D and MD.

[Jen61]

This.

Not to appeal to authority, but Jen61 from what I understand has a Ph.D and MD.

In this forum my credentials are of no consequence. However ,I can provided references for my assertions. However, the TG community is well aware of many cases of harm affected by self-medication with herbs, black market formulations, or illegally procured.

At the end of the day people can believe and do what ever they want. I see my duty to report what I know. I try to be factual and not to be overbearing and pedantic.

[A_Dresden_Doll]

There are TG people in wheel chairs because they took 'bioidentical" hormones. When you take that herbs and bioidentical crap, you are playing Russian roulette with you life. The dangers of these formulations as well as their ineffectiveness have been well documented.


Jen61

I don't think we are talking about the same thing, here. There is plenty of access to HRT medications, real medications. I know plent of people who do it. Do I reccommend it? No. Would I do it? No. I also have have middle-class privelege and have a decent job. Heck, my meds are covered by insurance. Not everyone is as lucky. Whole books could be written about how unfair access to HRT can be, but that's not my point in this post.

Simply put, try and start HRT with a Rx. Try and do it the safe and correct way. If you can't, then educate yourself, make certain to purchase hormones through a crediable source, and get your blood tested at least twice a year. You are not any less of a person for doing it. Its your body.

Also, jdinatale, you can't appeal to authority with someone who has none.

[Mahsa Tezani]

This.

Not to appeal to authority, but Jen61 from what I understand has a Ph.D and MD.

I believe everything Jen61 says, like I believe in unicorns and fairies.

Pics or it didn't happen.

[Annah]

This.

Not to appeal to authority, but Jen61 from what I understand has a Ph.D and MD.

Jeremiah 14:14
Qur'an 61.2-4
Proverbs 12:12

"When people lie about their credentials in order to gain a faster respect, their real truths will mean very little when the lie has been caught". Annah 2011

[Rebekah with a K-A-H]

There are TG people in wheel chairs because they took 'bioidentical" hormones. When you take that herbs and bioidentical crap, you are playing Russian roulette with you life. The dangers of these formulations as well as their ineffectiveness have been well documented.


Jen61

Funny, because last I heard 17ß-estradiol (you know, the bioidentical estrogen produced most by both men and women) is the hormone that most trans women take in varying quantities.  Russian roulette, huh?

I'm not talking about herbs.  That stuff is dumb and ineffective.  I'm talking about the stuff that, uh, every human being makes to varying extents.

[Jen61]

Funny, because last I heard 17ß-estradiol (you know, the bioidentical estrogen produced most by both men and women) is the hormone that most trans women take in varying quantities.  Russian roulette, huh?

I'm not talking about herbs.  That stuff is dumb and ineffective.  I'm talking about the stuff that, uh, every human being makes to varying extents.

I guess i should have ask you waht do you mean by bioidentical ?

[Jen61]

Funny, because last I heard 17ß-estradiol (you know, the bioidentical estrogen produced most by both men and women) is the hormone that most trans women take in varying quantities.  Russian roulette, huh?

I'm not talking about herbs.  That stuff is dumb and ineffective.  I'm talking about the stuff that, uh, every human being makes to varying extents.

Here form the proverbial horse mouth:

"What are Bioidentical Hormones?

Bioidentical hormones - or bio identical hormones - are derived from naturally occurring sources, such as yams and soy, and are designed to replicate the same chemical structure as the hormones that are produced naturally by our bodies. Based on your hormone levels, a specialized compounding pharmacy can individually tailor a bioidentical hormone regimen specifically designed for you.

On the flip side, synthetic hormones are intentionally different. Pharmaceutical companies can't patent bioidentical hormones because each regimen is specifically formulated to treat each patient on an individual basis. Instead, they manufacture synthetic hormones that are patentable
http://www.bodylogicmd.com/bioidentical-hormones

Now the stuff people inn the link above pander to the gullible is not regulated by anybody because they are not sold as prescribed drugs but as nutritional supplements. So you do not know really what they are giving you, so yes, I stand by my assertion that is a Russian Roulette