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What is a transsexual woman?

Started by Mahsa Tezani, December 09, 2011, 05:04:26 PM

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Susan Baum

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 10, 2011, 04:31:15 PM
OMFG...LMAO

Btw, I am extremely shaddow, sarcastic, arrogant, superficial and aggressive in real life. It's just how I am...

That is about the smoothest antithesis to being a "good (boy/girl) scout" I have ever heard :) - but I can't buy the superficial.  You care not where the wind blows, you have, and will continue, to follow your own direction and heart. 

Inasmuch as I can never fulfill all that some say is required to meet a "standardized" definition of transsexual, woman, man or Goddess, I can and do embrace and admire the broad diversity these terms engender.  To paraphrase Beth Andrea: For myself, I am what I am... and I'm at peace with my inner self. 

Though I may not always agree with what you say, you leave little doubt about what you are saying in a reader's mind. 

Susan
Aging is inevitable - growing up is optional.
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Sweet Blue Girl

Masha you fascinate me!
You're just the opposite of me!
I never get into DQ or much transvestitism because also if I repressed it I considered myself a woman, and tought that dressing proper clothes came only after sex-change, this is probably also the reason why I never come out completely and today I am still fighting for it.
It's like something in my mind, every time I want to be more feminine, tells me "you don't have a vag, you have beard  you're fat, you're tall you look a total disaster and so on", and it's like i have let this fear grow to such level to prefer to live in the closet, and choosing "unlife" as a man instead of a life as a woman.
You, just at the opposite, define yourself by everyday actions more than categories, but also live the difficulties of other people categorizing you!
I think we both maybe will run trough our journey in opposite directions, for sure I will try to live more as the female I am inside fighting more my own illusion, but I don't know if you'll also take steps further trough transition toward what usually defines a woman ( the vag ) getting rid of the little gay male!
Anyway I think that men, gay or ether, must be crazy to not pay enough attention to you, looking instead once at the makeup once at the genitalia. You're a smart sexy person. You deserve nor categories.
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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: Jen61 on December 10, 2011, 05:25:16 PM
So, with ail due respect, I am just trying to understand your post above, and do nnot want to insult you. You are a gay man who whants to present as female in the outside to attract male gays who like gay males who look like a female. Is this right ?

No, meaning I can't change what I was born because it's at a spiritual level. I prefer gay men...But straight men are nice too. LOL
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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: Jen61 on December 10, 2011, 05:25:16 PM
So, with ail due respect, I am just trying to understand your post above, and do nnot want to insult you. You are a gay man who whants to present as female in the outside to attract male gays who like gay males who look like a female. Is this right ?

I see you smited too for expressing my opinion. LMAO... I'm toxic baby! Truth is, you smited me for who I am... Wow, class act Jen61. LOL

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Sweet Blue Girl

Please don't make this a new nonsense topic filled with self envy and few respect....
I hope jen is not the second personality of Masha claiming she must Do the sospired operation!
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tekla

Cuz I have the elitist "gay" attitude?

To be fair, it's not like the 'gays' have corner on elitism in the Bay Area.  South Park's episode on 'smug' was pretty much dead on.  That's why I - and just about everyone else in the SF area cracks up whenever all those red-state people talk about 'exporting SF values' (which if it happened would only make Topeka and Omaha better places).  It's funny because we don't care about those places at all.  They don't enter into our thinking (except to remember what it was we were trying to get away from when we got here) and 'our give-a-damn' is pretty much busted when we try to empathize with them.  It's all 'fly-over' country* to most of us, though they seem to worry much more about us in a day then we have about them since the beginning of time.

As for what it is - well... It's whatever the person who wants to say they are feels it is (TS is a 100% self-identified and self-verified condition).  And that was the rather vague definition agreed upon in the beginning, despite many warnings that it would be all but impossible to actually have it mean anything specific in the end.  And you can't say that only SRS qualifies you as that excludes most of the FtMs from ever being TS.


Btw, I am extremely shaddow, sarcastic, arrogant, superficial and aggressive in real life. It's just how I am...

Oh honey, you say that like those are bad things.  First of all the opposite of arrogant is the kind of constant self-doubt that keeps most of the people here from any real interaction, and from any action.  Given the choice between no doubt and constant doubt, the first is the much better way to live.  Sure it's gets people like that into some pretty spectacular train wrecks, but constant doubt ensures you never get your train on the tracks in the first place.  And, at least it's outward.  Self-doubt is just an inward downward spiral. 

And the inner-beauty of arrogance is responsibility.  Self-doubters, it's NEVER their fault (can't be, they see themselves as powerless), it's society, it's the culture, it's some cartoon show making a joke - it's anything and everything BUT them.  Arrogant people will always take the blame, because blame is a constant companion of power.  Heavy lies the head that wears the crown and all that.

Sarcasm is just a rational way of dealing with the amount of junk floating around in a totally irrational world.  "Yeah, sure" is a perfect way of expressing a healthy and proper contempt without having to actually argue with the marching morons.

Aggressive is very sexy.  Humans tend to worship aggressive and denounce the opposite for lots of pretty good reasons.

And I would think that shallow and superficial is an ideal mindset for someone doing cosmetics, which is a shrine to the superficial.  And hey, of course it's shallow, beauty is only skin deep (but ugly goes all the way down to the bone.)  I'm totally down with the shallow and superficial (and their super-power, the created image).  Anyone doing rock concerts who thinks that anything about it is even vaguely deep and meaningful is an idiot.  Like 'Heavy Metal' - strip off the dumb outfits, the Halloween/Satanic/Occult kindergarten level sets, the bad haircuts and all you have is four geeks playing three chords.  It ain't rocket science, and it sure ain't Mozart or Miles Davis.  And that's not a condemnation, if you actually tried to do anything deep and meaningful, complex and intricate full of substance - well, you've just lost 99% of the people in the audience.

Besides, if you read the posts you'll find that what most people think of as being 'male' and 'female' are nothing more than materialistic consumer choices - "I liked Barbie or Hot Wheels" - as if gender is determined by a shopping list as opposed to inner values and core behaviors.  That dear, is superficial and shallow on a level that is far beyond you.



* - From the notion that the US is really just the East Coast and the West Coast with a 6 hour plane flight between them.  In it's most perfect incarnation it's that the US is LA and NYC and not much else.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Jen61

Quote from: tekla on December 10, 2011, 06:47:59 PM
Cuz I have the elitist "gay" attitude?

To be fair, it's not like the 'gays' have corner on elitism in the Bay Area.  South Park's episode on 'smug' was pretty much dead on.  That's why I - and just about everyone else in the SF area cracks up whenever all those red-state people talk about 'exporting SF values' (which if it happened would only make Topeka and Omaha better places).  It's funny because we don't care about those places at all.  They don't enter into our thinking (except to remember what it was we were trying to get away from when we got here) and 'our give-a-damn' is pretty much busted when we try to empathize with them.  It's all 'fly-over' country* to most of us, though they seem to worry much more about us in a day then we have about them since the beginning of time.

As for what it is - well... It's whatever the person who wants to say they are feels it is (TS is a 100% self-identified and self-verified condition).  And that was the rather vague definition agreed upon in the beginning, despite many warnings that it would be all but impossible to actually have it mean anything specific in the end.  And you can't say that only SRS qualifies you as that excludes most of the FtMs from ever being TS.


Btw, I am extremely shaddow, sarcastic, arrogant, superficial and aggressive in real life. It's just how I am...

Oh honey, you say that like those are bad things.  First of all the opposite of arrogant is the kind of constant self-doubt that keeps most of the people here from any real interaction, and from any action.  Given the choice between no doubt and constant doubt, the first is the much better way to live.  Sure it's gets people like that into some pretty spectacular train wrecks, but constant doubt ensures you never get your train on the tracks in the first place.  And, at least it's outward.  Self-doubt is just an inward downward spiral. 

And the inner-beauty of arrogance is responsibility.  Self-doubters, it's NEVER their fault (can't be, they see themselves as powerless), it's society, it's the culture, it's some cartoon show making a joke - it's anything and everything BUT them.  Arrogant people will always take the blame, because blame is a constant companion of power.  Heavy lies the head that wears the crown and all that.

Sarcasm is just a rational way of dealing with the amount of junk floating around in a totally irrational world.  "Yeah, sure" is a perfect way of expressing a healthy and proper contempt without having to actually argue with the marching morons.

Aggressive is very sexy.  Humans tend to worship aggressive and denounce the opposite for lots of pretty good reasons.

And I would think that shallow and superficial is an ideal mindset for someone doing cosmetics, which is a shrine to the superficial.  And hey, of course it's shallow, beauty is only skin deep (but ugly goes all the way down to the bone.)  I'm totally down with the shallow and superficial (and their super-power, the created image).  Anyone doing rock concerts who thinks that anything about it is even vaguely deep and meaningful is an idiot.  Like 'Heavy Metal' - strip off the dumb outfits, the Halloween/Satanic/Occult kindergarten level sets, the bad haircuts and all you have is four geeks playing three chords.  It ain't rocket science, and it sure ain't Mozart or Miles Davis.  And that's not a condemnation, if you actually tried to do anything deep and meaningful, complex and intricate full of substance - well, you've just lost 99% of the people in the audience.

Besides, if you read the posts you'll find that what most people think of as being 'male' and 'female' are nothing more than materialistic consumer choices - "I liked Barbie or Hot Wheels" - as if gender is determined by a shopping list as opposed to inner values and core behaviors.  That dear, is superficial and shallow on a level that is far beyond you.



* - From the notion that the US is really just the East Coast and the West Coast with a 6 hour plane flight between them.  In it's most perfect incarnation it's that the US is LA and NYC and not much else.

We are digressing. After 17,000 plus post, certainly you Tekla must have a good definition of what is a transsexual woman, please share
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tekla

I did.  It's whatever the person who wants to say they are feels it is (TS is a 100% self-identified and self-verified condition).

FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Jen61

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 10, 2011, 06:40:23 PM
I see you smited too for expressing my opinion. LMAO... I'm toxic baby! Truth is, you smited me for who I am... Wow, class act Jen61. LOL


Following guidance from the the forum moderators I will keep this issue out of the public forum. Please feel free to PM
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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: Jen61 on December 10, 2011, 07:04:37 PM
We are digressing. After 17,000 plus post, certainly you Tekla must have a good definition of what is a transsexual woman, please share

You want her to define something personal?

Even though humans are extraordinarily complex and there are endless variations in any condition....

As if people who fall outside the definition aren't transsexuals...It doesn't work like that. What are you really tryin to prove? I see you as a woman, so do the other people here.
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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: Sweet Blue Girl on December 10, 2011, 06:47:43 PM
Please don't make this a new nonsense topic filled with self envy and few respect....
I hope jen is not the second personality of Masha claiming she must Do the sospired operation!

No Chuck Pulchinik stuff here. jen61 and I are too very different persons... A yin and yang of the transsexual community.
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Jen61

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 10, 2011, 07:26:48 PM
You want her to define something personal?

Even though humans are extraordinarily complex and there are endless variations in any condition....

As if people who fall outside the definition aren't transsexuals...It doesn't work like that. What are you really tryin to prove? I see you as a woman, so do the other people here.

I am sure Tekla can speak for ..... self, but by all means why you do not give us your defintion of what a transsexual woman is ?
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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: Jen61 on December 10, 2011, 07:34:12 PM
I am sure Tekla can speak for ..... self, but by all means why you do not give us your defintion of what a transsexual woman is ?

Someone who was born XY taking up the appearances, mannerisms of a conceptualized female that they see themselves as, either by product of environment or personal views. May or may not have been born with GID or not.

It is also a umbrella term covering drags, tv/cds, etc
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Jen61

Quote from: Sweet Blue Girl on December 10, 2011, 06:47:43 PM
Please don't make this a new nonsense topic filled with self envy and few respect....
I hope jen is not the second personality of Masha claiming she must Do the sospired operation!

What is "sospired operation" senorina ?
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Jen61

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 10, 2011, 07:36:13 PM
May or may not have been born with GID or not.

Are you telling me that youbelive GID is in some case acquiered post natally ?
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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: Jen61 on December 10, 2011, 07:44:06 PM
Are you telling me that youbelive GID is in some case acquiered post natally ?

I think in some cases, people use it to justify their transsexualism.

I think environment influences transition more than any chromosomes. As the brain grows, people change and find different things they are interested in.
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Sweet Blue Girl

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 10, 2011, 07:31:18 PM
No Chuck Pulchinik stuff here. jen61 and I are too very different persons... A yin and yang of the transsexual community.

It's a pity, this sometimes, often, too personal arguing could end easily that way...hope jens understands many are not interested in a continuous fight towards searches of definitions, but more in some healty tip to share to move on, to go forward in the everyday battle. Also because I suspect Jen wants to make some nazi-trans-purity-doctrine that wouldn't include me or many of us.
As for me i fall into the chuck palanuck sthereotype without fight but with much pain, and i assure you I came here because i want to move on, seeing people  that have yet walked on similar steps ( for as much similar can be two different people's steps ) and that living in an unlucky little country i can't meet in normal life, and maybe even sharing what I have passed yet for the ones that will came after me...
I find that this arguing is the main activity and I don't like it... Even dating tips are better than that... Also if i would prefeer just hugs and cheers or funny things in this moment in wich nothing is more far from me than a date.
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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: Jen61 on December 10, 2011, 07:45:46 PM
conceptualize by whom?

I don't think transsexualism is a genetic trait. But is rather learned. Using my ex's child as an example...her dad my ex is a homosexual man and her mom is our former fruitfly and is a bisexual female raised her to be a girl, if she decides later she wants to be more like her dad... she might eventually use the concept of her dad, who is a masculine gay man to justify her GID or transsexualism.

If a child was raised by genderless robots, would it be male or female? Gender is another concept. A personalized concept of self. Some people fall into society's view of gender, others don't conform. it doesn't make either right or wrong.
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Jen61

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 10, 2011, 07:36:13 PM
It is also a umbrella term covering drags, tv/cds, etc

I beg to disagree, TV/CDS, drags do not consider themselves transexuals.
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