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Is there any proof that we have a soul?

Started by fionabell, December 27, 2011, 06:15:22 PM

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fionabell

Is there any scientific proof that we have a soul?
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JessicaH

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Anatta

Quote from: fionabell on December 27, 2011, 06:15:22 PM
Is there any scientific proof that we have a soul?

Kia Ora Fiona,

"Is there any scientific proof that we have a soul?"

::) If you mean a permanent unchanging entity that abides within this corporeal body, then the simple answer is no...

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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Anatta

Kia Ora Fiona,

::) If when referring to a soul you mean a 'mind', then just ones ability to think about or ask the question[Is there any proof that we have a soul/mind?] proves there is such a thing...But if one begins to try to analyse ones/the mind by using logic, they will end up on the slippery slope to mental 'hell'  >:-)  ;) ;D...

::) However, a simple truth... One can use the mind to understand logic, but one can't use logic to understand the mind...And if you try to think about this[in a logical way], it could do your brain in...If you don't believe me, just try it-see for your'self' ;) ;D

Metta Zenda :)   
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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Cindy

Hi Zenda,

I'm not sure about that the Nietzsche argument that 'I think therefore I am' is unprovable. I think. But I'm no philosopher.
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fionabell

oh oh. I've posted a philosophical thread in the religion section oops!
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Anatta

Quote from: Cindy James on December 28, 2011, 12:58:56 AM
Hi Zenda,

I'm not sure about that the Nietzsche argument that 'I think therefore I am' is unprovable. I think. But I'm no philosopher.

Kia Ora Cindy,

::)  Who or what is behind the thought ? Who 'thinks' ?

::) Can 'you' pin point the "I" that is meant to be doing the thinking ?  ;) :icon_yikes:

::) Now you have opened up a real kettle of worms  ;D [Well Fiona was holding the can opener-so she's really to blame ] ;)

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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Anatta

Quote from: fionabell on December 28, 2011, 01:25:29 AM
oh oh. I've posted a philosophical thread in the religion section oops!

Kia Ora Fiona,

::) "Philosophy is questions that may never be answered, religion is answers that must 'never' be questioned !"

::) Mind you, it doesn't really matter where you pose the 'question'...

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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Cindy

You are now at reductionist argument that has no validity in a philosophy. You cannot, with any logic go anywhere with your argument. You have to create  a thing to allow your argument to begin  :laugh:

Please everyone take this topic in a nice way, I'm not kicking sand into any religious beliefs and I know Zenda is not either.

Cindy
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Anatta

Quote from: Cindy James on December 28, 2011, 01:46:42 AM
You are now at reductionist argument that has no validity in a philosophy. You cannot, with any logic go anywhere with your argument. You have to create  a thing to allow your argument to begin  :laugh:

Please everyone take this topic in a nice way, I'm not kicking sand into any religious beliefs and I know Zenda is not either.

Cindy

Kia Ora Cindy,

::) So to get back on track.....Open it back up so to speak...

::) Is there a soul ? [and I don't think Fiona means a flatfish either, but then again she could have spelt it wrong 'sole' ]  ;) ;D

Metta Zenda :)

"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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Cindy

As I flounder I will try to answer.

Personally I don't think we have a soul. I'm arguing this from a non-religious point of view, my opinions are mine. I'm not a neuroscientist but I work with several world accepted experts, and no I cannot reveal who they are. It is unfair to them. But one question I keep coming up with is, and ask them; what is memory? What is thought? What is intelligence? What is the difference ,if any between my 'free' intelligence and the honey eater bird I'm watching perched on my gutter, bent over double looking for a bug to eat? they ask me the same, I'm an Immunologist and they ask the same question, How does immune memory work? Our understanding of such processes change very rapidly. My understanding of immune memory has gone haywire in the last few months with some landmark studies.

Why do we believe in souls?

Maybe because we cannot understand how our brains work. We are locked in the concept that if you cannot understand then it is due to divine intervention.

Most of us have no concept of epigenetic changes, siRNA and how kinase pathways work. I sure don't. How can you change a protein to remember? Simple, in practice we do it when we immunise people against flu whatever. we teach our immune system to remember. What remembers? A 180,000 Mwt protein in that case recognises a sequence of preserverd amino acids on a particular protein. We have billions of those proteins hence we are protected.

Does the brain work the same way? Well probably, she says, with no proof and how to get over synaptic communication, why a brain cell can be three meters long and that is longer than I am tall,  Why? What does that mean?

Is it a soul or is it biology?

I will put a caution on my comments. I will not knowingly insult anyone's religious beliefs. My comments are mine alone. They are posted for discussion and interest and to be thought provoking.

Cindy

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AbraCadabra

Is there any PROOF that we do NOT have a soul?

And PLEASE try leave out the materialistic empiricism.
It be no good to PROOF a lot of things going on in our BEING.

Does that make sense?

Soulful,
Axélle
Some say: "Free sex ruins everything..."
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fionabell

Quote from: Andreabc on December 28, 2011, 03:07:27 AM
I don't understand what the googly eyes are for.

It was more in response to Cindy's last post. Dizzy emoticon. But it was in response to yours as well.
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fionabell

Quote from: Axélle-Michélle on December 28, 2011, 03:05:04 AM
Is there any PROOF that we do NOT have a soul?

And PLEASE try leave out the materialistic empiricism.
It be no good to PROOF a lot of things going on in our BEING.

Does that make sense?

Soulful,
Axélle
A little bit. You mean leave out the idea that our mind might be driven by only a physical brain?



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Cindy

To unprove your existence is an oxymoron.

Which is why we cannot prove our existence.

There are arguments that are worthless.

And this discussion, sadly is one of them.

Why?


Cindy
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fionabell

Quote from: Cindy James on December 28, 2011, 03:45:27 AM
To unprove your existence is an oxymoron.

Which is why we cannot prove our existence.

There are arguments that are worthless.

And this discussion, sadly is one of them.

Why?


Cindy
your previous post was really good :)
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Cindy

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Amazon D

Everything is relative to the person. What one who was trained to think a certain way can never understand another who wasn't trained or had their minds filled with so called established thoughts. Myself i have always been switching back and forth along that fence. I feel as if i have one foot in this world and another in the next. Some people thogh are living in the next world and just periodically peeking into this one and then going back to where they know peace. I could never ever judge another who was in the next world and for those who think there is only this world well i say take a look around your underground. But alas they can't even imagine that. You know we who transition knew what we were even before we did one thing. Then we do those many things and then lose touch with that previos mentailty that many others would call crazy to think we are another gender. Myself after i transitioned gender i then transitioned gender altogether and knew that the outer is just a face because the real us is internal. I think that is a form or proof that we are not what we see or think. We are only relative to the individal. So to use some kind of logic taught by schools, colleges, etc closes our minds to others understandings and truths
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AbraCadabra

Quote from: fionabell on December 28, 2011, 03:35:37 AM
[clipped] You mean leave out the idea that our mind might be driven by only a physical brain?

Absolutely, we are more then just some bio-computer, - even a dog would be more then that.

Food for thought?
Axelle
Some say: "Free sex ruins everything..."
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