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Low dosage estrogen for Crossdressing

Started by lovleylisa, January 03, 2012, 03:12:04 AM

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Stephe

Quote from: Annah on January 30, 2012, 03:54:31 PM
Good lord, why would I be jealous of DIY?

Of course not all but many DIY hormone folks are simply afraid to talk to the doctor (or anyone?) about this. I agree, why should I be jealous of someone who is paying 10X what I am for meds, has to order them from questionable sources etc. The prescribing Doc I see charges $85 a visit. That's less than the markup on meds a DIY will pay.
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Alainaluvsu

Quote from: Stephe on January 30, 2012, 04:42:02 PM
The prescribing Doc I see charges $85 a visit. That's less than the markup on meds a DIY will pay.

I want to see your doctor. Mine charges $410 before insurance, plus $400+ on lab work. There's not many endos that deal with TS HRT in my town, she just happens to be one of them.

Personally, I DIY'd for 2 months before seeing an endo for a reason. If I had not, the doctor would've started me out on a very low dosage and had me come in every month, costing me thousands of dollars of bs appointments, and who knows how many months in ineffective feminization. Plus had I not been on them, I'm willing to bet she'd want me to go revisit my therapist as I hadn't seen him in a year since I got the letter. I go in every 3 months for a represcribe and bloodwork, and she put me on the dose I had put myself on.

I gambled and it definitely paid off. Spending under 200 dollars a month on HRT probably saved me a ton of money and time dealing with the standard process of getting bloodwork for a baseline, then getting prescribed a low dosage, spending 600 dollars a month (after insurance) to see her and get lab results, then dealing with possibly an overly cautious doctor that will not up my dosage for months on end, and possibly waiting a year before having blood levels that equal a females. Instead, they equalled a females the day I saw her for the first time.

All that said, I'm glad I have blood results. They give me a peace of mind. I'm also glad I have a doctor because I can call and ask the nurse questions about things. Plus if I need things like a doctors excuse to stay out of extreme heat or anything like that, I can get a medical excuse for it.
To dream of the person you would like to be is to waste the person you are.



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Stephe

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on January 30, 2012, 05:04:15 PM
probably saved me a ton of money and time dealing with the standard process of getting bloodwork for a baseline, then getting prescribed a low dosage, spending 600 dollars a month (after insurance) to see her and get lab results, then dealing with possibly an overly cautious doctor that will not up my dosage for months on end, and possibly waiting a year before having blood levels that equal a females.

Lots of probably and possibly there..

My doc had no problem putting me on "normal" dose right off (he wanted to taper up over a couple of weeks but prescribed the full dose) and much of the blood work is optional. We can do as little or much as we feel is needed. I know my T levels are through the floor so no point in wasting money on that. I know not all docs are like this but that's why you have to shop around. All docs I know of will do a consult for a reasonable fee to sort through possible ones to use.

I still believe most DIY people DIY because they are in the closet about their trans issues.
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Alainaluvsu

Unfortunately I live in the middle of the bible belt and I was met with a bunch of "No"s before I finally found a doctor. I was on an 8 month waiting list to see the only known doctor to my therapist before I finally snapped and looked myself. Nobody else would see me unless I had insurance. Luckily, I eventually got health insurance back in May. But IDK, maybe I'm better off seeing an GP instead of an endo?
To dream of the person you would like to be is to waste the person you are.



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Stephe

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on January 30, 2012, 05:25:23 PM
Unfortunately I live in the middle of the bible belt and I was met with a bunch of "No"s before I finally found a doctor. I was on an 8 month waiting list to see the only known doctor to my therapist before I finally snapped and looked myself. Nobody else would see me unless I had insurance. Luckily, I eventually got health insurance back in May. But IDK, maybe I'm better off seeing an GP instead of an endo?

A GP with some brains can deal with HRT. It's not rocket science. BTW I have no insurance either.

Stephe
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starbright

^^Yup. I see a GP, not an endo and he is a wonderful Doctor and knows what he is doing. Like Stephe said, any GP with some brains can administer HRT and know how to read levels. Past experience is always a MAJOR plus too, if they have worked with trans. people in the past.
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Alainaluvsu

Perhaps I'll look into going that way, then :)

I'll visit my endo 1 last time and let her know, however. She seems very interested in keeping me as she's openly admitted I'm basically the first one she's started with. She's had experience with girls that have been on there way for a while but none that were so early into it.  Maybe she'll make a write off on my bills with her so she can gain experience.

Like I said, bible belt. HRT is pretty much unheard of here. In fact, everybody I've told "I'm transsexual, you know what that means?" has responded with "You have both male and female parts?". I'm afraid I may be on the phone for an entire day just trying to find a GP that will see me.
To dream of the person you would like to be is to waste the person you are.



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Korra

I hear ya on the bible belt problem.  I'm supposed to get my letter next week, my therapist is supposed to have endo contacts who have dealt with transgender patients.  >>Fingers Crossed <<
I may side with the angels, but don't think for one second that I'm one of them.
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smooth

I've got no time and a very low opinion of a bible bashing doctor who let's their beliefs get in the way of treating a patient impartially. It smacks of wrong career choice and a demonstration of limited understanding and compassion. "You're Fired!"  >:-)
Blood work and general health checks are available and sensible for anyone on hrt, legit or otherwise. Just because you're diy does not mean you can't keep your doctor in the loop. It's actually sensible to inform your doctor. It might not be seen favourably but it will mean that any medication that your doctor prescribes will take into account that you are already taking hormones and potentially avoid any interactions between anything they might prescribe for other ailments. It may also prompt them towards giving you more specific health checks and information should they have it. Folks should also familiarise themselves with symptoms of blood clots etc to ensure speedy treatment should any issues arise. Staying fit and active should also be up there on your list of priorities as this can go some way in helping keep issues at bay. NO SMOKING!
I doubt anyone would be specifically jealous of the actual diy but they might be of the fact that they've had to jump through hoops and bear their soles and sometimes even tell a few porky pies to get a script shun, but a diy er didn't.
Sorry Stephe but what's different between your doctors approach and that of an informed diy er. "Optional blood work, you know your T is through the floor" How? and is that necessarily a good thing, a little T is required for balance I think I remember.... I dare say some diy ers are in the closet, nothing wrong with that. I'd also say there's one or two who are put off going through the system for other reasons. "Shopping around for a doc" I wonder if that's what Michael Jackson did. Is a doctor who's a push over or an easy touch really someone who's going to separate you from any risks with hrt, come to that is blood work every 6 months adequate. Blood work's a bit like vehicle mot testing here in the uk. The minute you drive out of the garage/test centre it's no longer relevant. There's nothing to say the second the needle is removed from your vein that an issue might start or be building in the background, grapefruit anyone? "A GP with some brains" is that short for an endocrinologist. Small town, doctor nearing retirement, christian, small population.....
Solid information from people like endo's expert in this area should be easily available without necessarily going to see them. It should be accompanied by recommendation that a diy approach is not ideal. Here say and opinion from the general population should be discouraged (like it is at Susan's)
It's a little short sited to think that people wont diy just because they don't have any solid information. I dare say it's been the cause of some deaths that could have been avoided if the situation was a bit less.... starchy and secretive. It might even be useful for that small town christian doc nearing retirement cos he/she still think a transexual has both sets of uglies  ;)
see you on the beach....
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Annah

Smooth, the amount of DI-Yourselfers who get independent exams and bloodwork from their General Practitioners and Endocrinologists are VERY small.

The majority of them order the drugs online in secret from friend and family without once walking into a doctor's office to get their blood tested.

Because if people went through all of that and then went to a doctor's office to get everything independently tested, your doctor will encourage you to let him/her monitor your results with a prescription that he or she feels would be more receptive to your body.

Also, if someone absolutely cannot find a doctor in the Bible Belt and they have to resort to hormones in India or Thailand or China, then smuggling hormones will be the least of their worries. Transitioning period will be as equally as difficult.

But I lived in the Bible Belt. Leaved near Memphis Tennessee and in Kansas. Not all doctors are born again fundamentalist christian. I only had one doctor who considered himself a christian (liberal) out of the 15 years I lived there.

You can find an objective doctor in the Bible Belt.  I think risking one's lives on unmonitored HRT is worth the trouble to find that doctor....even if it means driving 3 hours to her or his office twice a year to do it.
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Alainaluvsu

Quote from: Annah on January 31, 2012, 06:47:48 AM
Smooth, the amount of DI-Yourselfers who get independent exams and bloodwork from their General Practitioners and Endocrinologists are VERY small.

The majority of them order the drugs online in secret from friend and family without once walking into a doctor's office to get their blood tested.

Because if people went through all of that and then went to a doctor's office to get everything independently tested, your doctor will encourage you to let him/her monitor your results with a prescription that he or she feels would be more receptive to your body.

Also, if someone absolutely cannot find a doctor in the Bible Belt and they have to resort to hormones in India or Thailand or China, then smuggling hormones will be the least of their worries. Transitioning period will be as equally as difficult.

But I lived in the Bible Belt. Leaved near Memphis Tennessee and in Kansas. Not all doctors are born again fundamentalist christian. I only had one doctor who considered himself a christian (liberal) out of the 15 years I lived there.

You can find an objective doctor in the Bible Belt.  I think risking one's lives on unmonitored HRT is worth the trouble to find that doctor....even if it means driving 3 hours to her or his office twice a year to do it.

I'm seeing a doctor, so don't see this as me making excuses.

I personally plan on transitioning in New Orleans. However I have a pretty well crafted lie to help me with the "Why do you look more female?" questions. So far the lie hasn't gotten me into trouble.

Nearly every doctors office I've asked around here has literally laughed at me or given me an outrageous wait period. The best wait period I had was 2 months, which I jumped all over. One even told me up to 3 years.

In my case, driving to Dallas, which is 3 hours away, is out of the question due to school and work. I simply cannot make a 6 hour round trip during the week. School is priority number 1 and I go 5 days a week.

All that said, I haven't gone down a GP route because everybody in the community preaches "GET AN ENDO!" .. especially my therapist. So I figured I could only ask specialists that charge absolutely outrageous fees.
To dream of the person you would like to be is to waste the person you are.



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Bishounen

One of my best friends selfmedicated aswell, thanks to an understanding Post op that had meds at home from Pre and Post-transition, so she gave those to the friend and also learned her how to give herself injections. She(My friend) then regularly had contact with Physisians and had regular check-ups.
Later on, she had the Hormones prescribed legally, but she thought the Therapists moved so damn slow that she simply decided to do it all herself including having SRS before she was "admitted" to.
In fact, she literally asked her Therapist to shove it. :laugh:

All came out fine, though and she also got the needed legal documents to change her name. :)
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Jamie D

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on January 31, 2012, 07:17:12 AM

In my case, driving to Dallas, which is 3 hours away, is out of the question due to school and work. I simply cannot make a 6 hour round trip during the week. School is priority number 1 and I go 5 days a week.

As a student, you should be able to take advantage of the student health service (assuming you are in college).
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Annah

Quote from: Jamie D on January 31, 2012, 11:41:05 AM
As a student, you should be able to take advantage of the student health service (assuming you are in college).

sadly there are many colleges that do not offer transgender related health coverages.

I know of a few that do right now. UPenn, Penn State and a couple in California
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pebbles

Quote from: Catherine Sarah on January 11, 2012, 11:25:04 AMSelf medication of these drugs can KILL you.  No ifs, buts or maybes' They can and they do KILL you.
(Citation needed) Only marginally more dangerous than getting it legitly your "NO DRUGS" Childlike mentality is counterproductive. Because your overstating and misleading certain facts. It's the same bull that teachers spew out about how Smoking weed will make you crazy and kill your friends. Or how steroids turn you into a murderous psychopath.

As to the op if your self medicating if your only taking a low dose of estrogen it probably won't do anything your innate Testosersone will probably absorb it.

I don't know if it would make you feel anymore like a woman. It wasn't how it worked with me as I felt I was female no matter what my hormonal status.

If it dose have an effect you might notice your skin becoming softer or your nipples starting to grow bigger as that would be a symptom.

Bear in mind Breast Development is Irriverisble. and if they start growing you will have them forever as maybe other changes including impaired fertility.

I don't mind pepole self-medding I don't see it as a deadly threat. however if you do it It's damn important to me that you be informed and be willing to bear any and all conciquences for your actions good or bad.
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Alainaluvsu

Quote from: Jamie D on January 31, 2012, 11:41:05 AM
As a student, you should be able to take advantage of the student health service (assuming you are in college).

I go to a technical college, and they don't offer that.
To dream of the person you would like to be is to waste the person you are.



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