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Started by Madison (kiara jamie), January 06, 2012, 12:12:40 AM

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Madison (kiara jamie)

so basicly i have been on hormones for 5 months and now my facial hair is turning more blond, now i had my first treatment of laser hair removal about a month ago and i didn't notice any of my facial hair dissapearing, now i really noticed a significant amount of my bikini area hair dissapearing but all of my male related hair locations are blond and unaffected by the laser

now i am aware that only darker hair is affected by laser so im just wondering if, since the hair used to be dark, could it still be affected, has anyone gone through this, is there hope or should i just plan on a lot of electrolosis, could i stop taking hrt to get the hair back to a darker color?

whats my best choice


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holly

I'm not 100% but I think the laser works by the dark hair being able to absorb more energy in comparison to the light skin around it.  As far as I know if the hair is blond you might not have much choice but electrolysis.  I'd love to be corrected though?
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Cindy

Laser only really works on dark pigment hair follicles. As they absorb the energy and get nuked. If you have gone blond I think electro is the only way, although it sounds as if you are goig into the female hair cycle so you will have less anyway.
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dalebert

The laser is adjusted to filter out the color of your skin so it doesn't burn your skin. That means the hair (follicle) has to be darker than the skin color around it. The laser heats up the hair and burns the follicle tissue, traumatizing it so it stops growing for a very long time, like several years but probably recovers eventually.

pebbles

Quote from: dalebert on January 06, 2012, 10:06:12 AM
The laser is adjusted to filter out the color of your skin so it doesn't burn your skin. That means the hair (follicle) has to be darker than the skin color around it. The laser heats up the hair and burns the follicle tissue, traumatizing it so it stops growing for a very long time, like several years but probably recovers eventually.
In my experience it tends to regenerate within a few weeks/months if it dosen't regenerate after that time it probably won't at all.

Another thing if hair folicles are brutalized but are trying to heal themselves they come through thin at first before thickening up if you hit them again when they are thin it dose ALOT more damage and is wayy more likley to kill them that time than the first time when it's big and thick.

Abit like double dose radiation where its more damaging to get two shots of medium strength radiation within a few days of each other than it is to get a heavy dose all in one go.
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Jayr

Could she dye the hairs she wants done by laser a darker color?

I know nothing about this, I'm just being curious :D

Maybe it could work.
o.o





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dalebert

Quote from: Jayr on January 06, 2012, 02:04:23 PM
Could she dye the hairs she wants done by laser a darker color?

Unfortunately not. The dye won't change the color inside the follicle which is where it matters.

envie

I've gone through 8 laser sessions so far.
The IPL or Intense Pulse Light to be exact.
There are different kind of laser for different hair/skin types so you have to find the right one for you.
The blond hair is a problem as the contrast between the skin color and the hair color is too small.

Only after the last session I have been able to just shave and go out in public without foundation and make up.
I have another session coming up and that might be my last one for a while.
As for the regrowth I've been doing this since a year ago and I can't tell if next year or in six months or when ever in the future I will need more sessions.
But for now there is so few hairs on my face I can get away with just a quick shave. Some of my GG have actually more facial hair than I do!
I will just change to the electrolysis if further treatments necessary as the hairs are now only few in between and the electrolysis would be more effective @ $60/hour.
I wouldn't recommend going of and again on the HRT. The results are unknown and the disadvantages might be greater than the benefits.
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Sweet Blue Girl

I have black hairs anyway, being on the very start of my coming out, i just like to have infos, i went to some beauty shops but couldnt afford the laser sessions i needed and need, i think laser is th first step i will make, because of my teaddy bear condition.

I understand that even long laser sessions, 3 year or so, are not enough, and laser is a sort of condamn for all the life, am i right?
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envie

Quote from: Sweet Blue Girl on January 06, 2012, 03:41:11 PM
I understand that even long laser sessions, 3 year or so, are not enough, and laser is a sort of condamn for all the life, am i right?
I've not heard of that! For now the results vary depending on each individual, the laser type and the machine used.
It is also so that there hasn't been long enough study to claim much of facts. The devices have been also in development all this time too!
The place I go to told me they just haven't seen any one come back. So did they needed more treatments eventually or did they to electrolysis I don't know.
The place has best reputation in town and they estimated me between 8 to 10 sessions until done. The number 9 is pending and I can see the end of it (for now at least).

On the other hand they offer 50% discount after the 6 sessions package expires so that make is to $125 every other month at the moment.
If I needed to come some time back this is still reasonable price in my opinion.
Just to compare, full leg waxing costs $68 plus tip. I'd easily pay the double for no hair in my face every now and then and do the leg waxing myself if I am short on money.
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JennX

"If you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain."
-Dolly Parton
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Cindy

I had laser for 12 months about 8 sessions I think. I'm now clear and can go with minimal make up. I do get the upper lip touched up every few months. It has beem worth every penny.

I got a cheek kiss by one of the girls at work and she just, 'your skin is so soft and smooth now'

AWESOME
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Alainaluvsu

Quote from: Sweet Blue Girl on January 06, 2012, 03:41:11 PM
I have black hairs anyway, being on the very start of my coming out, i just like to have infos, i went to some beauty shops but couldnt afford the laser sessions i needed and need, i think laser is th first step i will make, because of my teaddy bear condition.

I understand that even long laser sessions, 3 year or so, are not enough, and laser is a sort of condamn for all the life, am i right?

Try  the home devices. Nearly every review I've seen are positive. They are confirmed to work on facial hair too, given you don't have dark skin. They're 400 dollars or so and you may need to refill the cartridges once in a  while for certain devices though. It still is less costly in the long run! JUST GET A GOOD ONE! You get what you pay for....

BTW girls.. just a hint: if you continuously tweeze the remaining hairs, they will eventually NOT grow back. It's called traction alopecia, look it up! This may save yall the money for electrolysis, and the only drawback is you'll have to continuously tweeze them for a while ... but eventually you will damage the follicle to the point of not being able to regrow the hair!
To dream of the person you would like to be is to waste the person you are.



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starbright

^Yeah, I did hear that VISS has a IPL home device and it works well and has some great reviews if you have lots of body hair you need to remove. It takes a lot of treatments to get most of the hair with this at-home device, but it does work, which is what's important because doing laser at a clinic for place like the chest/stomach, back, and shoulders would cost a fortune.

It costs me $200 per session at a clini just to do my face and neck and it takes about 5-8 treatments to get all the hairs. The face is all I can afford.lol But the VISS product is around like $500.00 I think.
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Cindy

There have been very mixed reviews on the home devices. I think at Susan's the majority have said they don't work. A few of the girls say they do. So there is a lot of disparate information.

That said no home device gets even close to the power output of the commercial lasers. And it is the power output, and the skill of the technician that makes the difference. And remember, you get lasered every six weeks, not every day, no matter how hairy you are!!
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Jeneva

I have used both the first generation Tria and the first generation Silk'n

NEITHER work worth a hoot.  I found the Tria to actually be more painful than real laser, but I was not out at the time and was willing to gamble on the return period.

If you are out then don't even waste your time.

Checkout HairFacts/HairTell for more info on home lasers.
Blessed Be!

Jeneva Caroline Samples
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Alainaluvsu

I've been using the most recent silk'n for the past 2 weeks and I'm seeing slight results on my face. Black, course hair on ivory skin. It says you'll see considerable results after 4 sessions, but I've only just done my second and I'm seeing many hairs are growing slower, and some empty patches are developing.
To dream of the person you would like to be is to waste the person you are.



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smooth

They don't work, simple as that. I've read a more than a few reviews and as Cindy says they are nowhere near powerful enough, certainly not enough to make any difference to a typical male beard. They wouldn't dare sell something powerful enough because people would be burning themselves left right and centre and suing the manufacturer almost as fast. Save your money. When you consider that even a professional unit struggles to get even a % done how could a home unit come anywhere close.
As for recommending tweezing, that's not a good idea either. Tweezing will encourage more hair not get rid of it. Ripping a hair out by the root (tweezing) actually strengthens a follicle most of the time. It causes an increase in blood supply which can also fire up other adjacent follicles and they may start producing hair as well. It may on occasion damage a follicle to a point where it won't grow back but this is the exception not the rule. The only place where tweezing will cause the hair to stop growing is the eyebrows. I don't think anyone knows why for sure but I'm pretty sure I'm right in what I say. There's also a risk of scarring from tweezing and the chance of ingrown's. Tweezing on your face is not a good idea, a lot of electrologists will tell you that tweezed hairs are harder to deal with.... They can certainly be stronger and deeper rooted, this means they need more energy to remove them and destroy the follicle, as you can imagine this translates into more discomfort.
There's no doubt someone going to say "what about waxing, that reduces hair growth" I've read into this as well. The waxing fraternity claim that over time waxing will reduce the amount of hair. Again from what I've read this isn't the case. Over time, considerable time, the amount of hair may well reduce anyway, in the same breath it also might not, everyone's different. The waxers claim this naturally occurring reduction as their own. . When someone is waxed regularly the hair does appear to grow in finer, this isn't the case. What's happening is as the new unshaved hair grows through it appears finer because when it first comes through it is tapered and fine and therefore appears as though it isn't as coarse as could be seen when shaving. Women love this and it keeps them going back for more, it's a nice little money spinner for the salons. Some salons will encourage women to wax their upper lip as well, this isn't a good idea for the client but it does good things for the salon. In time what can and does happen in a lot of cases is that the hairs that have been waxed will strengthen to a point where they will be considerably more noticeable than they were in the beginning. They can end up being too strong for waxing as is the male beard and this allows the salon the opportunity to offer laser or electrolysis and on it goes with tills ringing nicely in the background thank you very much. The salon will just blame hormones or the onset of menopause which might be the case in some instances but they will not have helped matters themselves by ripping the hairs out stimulating blood flow and causing what was just a bit of fluff to transform into some well rooted terminal hair. It's an uncomfortable reality to consider but these smiling well made up ladies want your cash and they're not too bothered about how they get it. Anyone who is waxed regularly is probably familiar with ingrown's, sometimes they end up infected and as a result you end up with a scar or hyper/hypo pigmentation. All in the name of beauty  :) Sorry if I've droned on Again but some points need a little explaining to get across well. Marks out of ten? ? ?  ;D
If I sound a little anti salon I have to admit I am. I'm a terrible skeptic where some of the treatments that they offer are concerned. I hate being scammed or seeing people being scammed and some salons have an arsenal of tools to separate people from their money. You have been warned  ;D ;D ;D It's false smile central  ;D
see you on the beach....
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Alainaluvsu

So pretty much every independent review on the internet, I can just throw out the window?

What about what I've been taught at school? I guess my teacher, who has been a practicing nurse and teaching cosmetology for over 25 years is wrong.

Traction alopecia is very real, ask any african american woman who constantly braids to the scalp. Or women who like to pull their hair back in a pony tail, especially when wet.
To dream of the person you would like to be is to waste the person you are.



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smooth

Traction alopecia isn't tweezing is it that's why it's called traction alopecia and not tweezing, the two things are distinctly different. Traction alopecia is a constant stress being put on the hair over a greater area than just an individual follicle and it's over a longer time than a fraction of a second. Maybe if you grow your facial hair and braid it tightly, over time it might fall out. If you're lucky it might happen in time for you to enjoy a bit of life without facial hair. In the mean time good luck with tweezing every day and all of the issues that this will cause. I hope you're in touch with your dermatologist teacher friend because in the longer term you might need her to help you with some skin issues that you're going to create by tweezing the ->-bleeped-<-e out of your face. You'd best get yourself a trowel as well cos you're going to need it to put on enough foundation to cover that pony tail you're going to have hanging off your chin. Ask your teacher, the practising nurse and dermatologist, maybe she could explain it to you and when she does perhaps you'd be kind enough to make another post withdrawing your advice to people not so well informed as yourself before they start tweezing the life out of their faces in the vain hope that their hair won't grow back as you have said. There's a lesson in here somewhere. Be aware of stuff you read on the internet, it's not all true and keep it in context and try not to let wishful thinking cloud your better judgement. Maybe you should try products like No No or tweezer electrolysis, what about the tria home laser unit, they're plastered all over the internet, they're even sold on QVC so they must work eh
Apologies for my blatant sarcasm
see you on the beach....
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