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Started by ItachiUchiha, January 30, 2012, 02:45:45 PM

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Annah

Quote from: Wonderdyke on January 31, 2012, 08:49:53 PM
Ha.

Hahahaha.

Must-resist-rant-against-heteronormativity-binarism-and-cisnormativity (not to mention the effect on the diametric parallel functions of homophobia, non-binaryphobia, and transphobia).

Ok, but seriously.  The good thing is that you can do a lot of stuff to explore your gender identity, sexual identity, sexual orientation that doesn't involve permanent measures.  The bad thing is that society is kind of a dick about that.

I was in a place somewhat similar to yours (in terms of age, apprehensions, a few of the beliefs about wanting to transition) about two years ago, and I turned out fine.  Feel free to PM me if you would like.

she may find offense to that. She said she is twice our age and labeled by the US Government as a "'extremely intelligent."
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Skeptical_Me

Quote from: Stephe on January 31, 2012, 12:29:30 AM
Getting a sex change and transitioning because you want to have sex with men but think anal sex is dangerous is the most INSANE reason to even consider it. That is some of the worst advice I have seen on this forum.
Including this comment you made in my profile: Bad advice to: have sex change just because you like men!

What makes 'you' the authority on advice?

If I could find 'your' negative reputation button to click on and make a comment in 'your profile' ...I'd certainly do so! 
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Skeptical_Me

Quote from: Skeptical_Me on January 30, 2012, 06:36:43 PM
My first response is, I say, 'go ahead and do it'.
'Sexless' certainly isn't normal!
But you're only 18 ...going on 19. - Have you even had sex with a woman yet!?
I'd try that route first. - Then you have something to evaluate.
Unless, of course, you're only turned-on by men. - Then I say, go ahead and get a sex change. - In the rear is medically dangerous.

Quote from: kelly_aus on January 31, 2012, 02:52:49 AMThat's quite simply the worst advice I've ever seen here..  ::)
Including this comment you made in my profile: Most off base advice I've seen here in a while..

What makes 'you' the authority on advice?

If I could find 'your' negative reputation button to click on and make a comment in 'your profile' ...I'd certainly do so!
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Annah

Quote from: Skeptical_Me on February 02, 2012, 06:34:05 AM
Including this comment you made in my profile: Bad advice to: have sex change just because you like men!

What makes 'you' the authority on advice?

If I could find 'your' negative reputation button to click on and make a comment in 'your profile' ...I'd certainly do so! 


She said it was bad advice because one would usually get SRS to match their gender to their physical gender. To say you should get SRS because you want to have sex with men really is bad advice and I think any therapist would back that up....because that would preclude that gay men should have sex change operations. SRS is much more than having sexual intercourse.

Furthermore, giving someone a negative reputation because they gave you one is not allowed here. If you did that, their smite you gave them would go away and that smite would be transferred to your account.
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Stephe

Quote from: ItachiUchiha on January 31, 2012, 09:56:43 PM
Yeah, I guess you are both right. I guess I'm just scared that people are going to outcast me and it's going to make my life a whole lot more difficult if people can easily tell I'm transsexual and I don't fit in.

Everyone has these fears and others, perfectly normal but they are unfounded. I'm sure everyone who has done this had this same fear of "being outcast" and at least in my case it never happened. Most of us learn to "fit in" enough where people don't notice, don't care or can't tell. In practice any of the above will suffice for me :)

I does take about 20 minutes more effort each morning to get ready, but that's just something most women deal with. Being pretty isn't easy and can sometimes be painful :P
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Stephe

Quote from: Skeptical_Me on February 02, 2012, 06:34:05 AM
Including this comment you made in my profile: Bad advice to: have sex change just because you like men!

What makes 'you' the authority on advice?

I'm not -the authority-, read the international standards of care. No quality surgeon or therapist would EVER let someone have a sex change based on what you posted. That is absolutely the WRONG reason to have a sex change. And maybe you can show us what authority you speak from on anal sex being medically dangerous? This sounds as ignorant as that senator saying the HIV is never transmitted by heterosexual people.

And being a virgin at 18 is smart, not abnormal as you stated. Just because a trans person finds women sexually attractive doesn't mean they aren't trans either. Sexual preference and gender are NOT connected.

There was just SOOO much bad advice in your post I had to smite it AND am tempted to smite you again for these last couple of "I'm gonna give you retaliation smite" nonsense.
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Stephe

Quote from: Skeptical_Me on February 02, 2012, 06:56:35 AM
Including this comment you made in my profile: Most off base advice I've seen here in a while..

What makes 'you' the authority on advice?

If I could find 'your' negative reputation button to click on and make a comment in 'your profile' ...I'd certainly do so!


And maybe Bishounen can explain why they gave skeptical_me a thumbs up for this rant? I sure don't get that.. Lets encourage hostility??
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Bishounen

Quote from: Stephe on February 02, 2012, 11:34:05 AM
I'm not -the authority-, read the international standards of care. No quality surgeon or therapist would EVER let someone have a sex change based on what you posted. That is absolutely the WRONG reason to have a sex change. And maybe you can show us what authority you speak from on anal sex being medically dangerous? This sounds as ignorant as that senator saying the HIV is never transmitted by heterosexual people.

And being a virgin at 18 is smart, not abnormal as you stated. Just because a trans person finds women sexually attractive doesn't mean they aren't trans either. Sexual preference and gender are NOT connected.

There was just SOOO much bad advice in your post I had to smite it AND am tempted to smite you again for these last couple of "I'm gonna give you retaliation smite" nonsense.

Not that I agree with Sceptical_Me's opinions(I don't), although I however see nothing wrong with changing sex only to get guys. Or girls.

As for a person with such desires not being allowed to change sex, it is yet a fact that all types of people that "shouldn't be allowed" to have SRS, nonetheless do.

Example: 
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Bishounen

Quote from: Stephe on February 02, 2012, 11:39:08 AM
And maybe Bishounen can explain why they gave skeptical_me a thumbs up for this rant? I sure don't get that.. Lets encourage hostility??

Annah asked the exactly same thing just now, in my inbox, actually. :)

In short, it is not the stuff Sceptical_Me says that I Plused, I merely felt sorry for him/her and felt that he/she as a bit bullied(Although I do fully understand why people are upset by the claims of his/hers).

In short, I wanted to give him/her some cheering ups. :)
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ItachiUchiha

Ok, this thread is breeding a lot of hostility O.o

Skeptical: they weren't saying you were a bad advice giver or that they were the authority on advice, it's just that your comment was a little bit off topic on transitioning due to the fact that most people wouldn't transition for that sole purpose (although I'm sure some do) and I never brought up sexual preferences.

And everyone else, I agree it was a little harsh saying that was the worst advice ever and a little unnecessary. It wasn't the best advice due to the nature of the topic, but she was just trying to help.

I'm not taking anyone's side, I just don't want people getting mad at each other and starting a "smite" war over this, as it's not important and we can move on.

Anyway.... Thanks for all the continuous advice and help, I really appreciate the effort everyone is putting in to try to help me :)

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Stephe

Quote from: Bishounen on February 02, 2012, 11:41:31 AM
Not that I agree with Sceptical_Me's opinions(I don't), although I however see nothing wrong with changing sex only to get guys. Or girls.
Example: 

Great example of why someone who thinks *easier sex* as a good reason should never have SRS. Thanks for posting.

Kinda confused as to why you feel this video backs up the point of view that you "see nothing wrong with changing sex only to get guys". The subject in the video explains how doing it for that reason has ruined his life. Sorta the post child for NOT following this advice.

I guess I could see giving a thumbs up to his original post, but just seemed odd to thumbs up a hostile rant..
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Bishounen

Quote from: ItachiUchiha on February 02, 2012, 11:49:41 AM
Ok, this thread is breeding a lot of hostility O.o

Skeptical: they weren't saying you were a bad advice giver or that they were the authority on advice, it's just that your comment was a little bit off topic on transitioning due to the fact that most people wouldn't transition for that sole purpose (although I'm sure some do) and I never brought up sexual preferences.

And everyone else, I agree it was a little harsh saying that was the worst advice ever and a little unnecessary. It wasn't the best advice due to the nature of the topic, but she was just trying to help.

I'm not taking anyone's side, I just don't want people getting mad at each other and starting a "smite" war over this, as it's not important and we can move on.

Anyway.... Thanks for all the continuous advice and help, I really appreciate the effort everyone is putting in to try to help me :)


*Gives Itachiuchiha Hirs first Plus*^
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Stephe

Quote from: ItachiUchiha on February 02, 2012, 11:49:41 AM

And everyone else, I agree it was a little harsh saying that was the worst advice ever and a little unnecessary.


It WAS the worst advice I have ever seen on this forum.

The whole thing about anal sex being medically dangerous just has no basis in fact.  Telling you that you are abnormal for not having sex yet at age 18 was also not true and was rude/hurtful. PLENTY of SMART people wait to have sex until they find someone they truly love. Sorry but they deserved every bit of this for posting that. If you read through their record of posts, most are in this same hostile tone.
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ItachiUchiha

I won't argue with anyone here, and it is certainly right to voice your opinion on it Stephe, I'm just trying to keep the hostility to a low and tone things down a bit. While I also don't think it was particularly good advice, maybe that is how Skeptical thought when she went through it. Anyway, I do agree that it was a bit hostile but bringing more hostility in won't solve anything.

Again, I don't mean to offend anyone in any way, and I refuse to take sides here, but the point of these forums is for supportive advice and helping others; hostility just works against that cause. I do really appreciate the responses I'm getting though, thanks :)
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chloe23

Quote from: Stephe on February 02, 2012, 11:34:05 AM
I'm not -the authority-, read the international standards of care. No quality surgeon or therapist would EVER let someone have a sex change based on what you posted. That is absolutely the WRONG reason to have a sex change. And maybe you can show us what authority you speak from on anal sex being medically dangerous? This sounds as ignorant as that senator saying the HIV is never transmitted by heterosexual people.

And being a virgin at 18 is smart, not abnormal as you stated. Just because a trans person finds women sexually attractive doesn't mean they aren't trans either. Sexual preference and gender are NOT connected

I have to agree with you on this Steph. Sex and Gender are two different issues. Anybody who goes into transition or SRS thinking the sex would be easier is totally wrong. Many may come to regret their wreck less decisions in the long run. transition has a lot of hills and valleys and you have to be ready for every curve thrown at you. i know everybody has a right to their own opinion and that is why we have these boards. people need to respect everybody opinion and respect the feelings of the person involved.
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Bishounen

Quote from: Stephe on February 02, 2012, 11:52:47 AM
Great example of why someone who thinks *easier sex* as a good reason should never have SRS. Thanks for posting.

Kinda confused as to why you feel this video backs up the point of view that you "see nothing wrong with changing sex only to get guys". The subject in the video explains how doing it for that reason has ruined his life. Sorta the post child for NOT following this advice.

Indeed that is so, that it was a very bad example of his behalf. On the other hand, one must also remember that every transitioner is different and hence also functions differently.
For instance, people on this very board constantly choose ways to live out their identities or sexualities to find happiness, that to the next transitioner would be the completely wrong way, and vice versa.

What I try to say is, that what makes some people happy, makes another unhappy, and what would make yet another person unhappy, would turn out to be the key to happiness for another.

For instance, the famous Economist Deidre McCloskey transitioined for "All the wrong reasons" according to the Standards of Cares and the guide Rules for changing Sex(And for this very reason, she purposely lied about everything during the sessions to be approved), but to her, it was all the right reasons that enabled her to find happiness.


QuoteI guess I could see giving a thumbs up to his original post, but just seemed odd to thumbs up a hostile rant..


I understand you reaction, and I also admit that it, in a way, was a quite pointless thing on my behalf to do, as it was after all not something I actually agreed with that /S/he had said.
I just don't like seeing people having "smithes as the first and only reputations they have as newbees, if they have not meant any actual harm, although being a bit unthoughful.

If S/he, however, would had said something purposely insulting to someone, I would instead have smithed, for I do not accept nastiness.

Ah well.
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Alainaluvsu

Quote from: Stephe on February 02, 2012, 11:24:53 AM

I does take about 20 minutes more effort each morning to get ready, but that's just something most women deal with. Being pretty isn't easy and can sometimes be painful :P

Theres a saying among cosmetologists around here: Beauty hurts! Remember that the next time youre getting ur hair done and your neck is kinked up from leaning ur head in an awkward position.
To dream of the person you would like to be is to waste the person you are.



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Skeptical_Me

Now "Beverly" gives me a negative reputation, for being 'confrontational' in this thread!
(I would imagine she 'would' ...considering what small little bit I've read of her thoughts in her posts.)

Oh! I didn't know 'being confrontational' was a bad thing!

This is just plain "harassment"!

OK! I'll tell you what I'm going to do!
If nobody thinks I'm of any value here ...I don't need this, or this site, at all.

So, let's make a contest or 'game' out of it!
If in 7 days, (of this hour) my plusses don't at least equal my minuses ...I will delete my account and get out of all of your hair.
VOTING TIME!
Or the administration can ban me 'right now' and you'll all be done with me.
Alan Parsons Project Eye In The Sky

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Annah

Quote from: Bishounen on February 02, 2012, 11:45:14 AM
Annah asked the exactly same thing just now, in my inbox, actually. :)

In short, it is not the stuff Sceptical_Me says that I Plused, I merely felt sorry for him/her and felt that he/she as a bit bullied(Although I do fully understand why people are upset by the claims of his/hers).

In short, I wanted to give him/her some cheering ups. :)

Just remember, "pluses" according to Susan should be given out only when: "to reward exceptional posts, and I mean posts which are really above and beyond the fold."  You don't give them out to someone who is being a little rude to others because you feel sorry for her. You should give her a "plus" because you were blown away by one of her posts.

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,18960.0.html
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Devlyn

I bend the rules a bit on giving out pluses. I give 'em out freely, and I'll bet Susan doesn't mind. It's when the minuses start flying around that we have trouble here. Remember the proper sequence: Skip the post or topic. Put them on "Ignore". Notify a Moderator. Use your smite button. Hugs, Devlyn
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