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How many non-binary people are thinking of physical therapies

Started by suzifrommd, July 25, 2012, 07:07:08 AM

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For non-binary gendered: Have you had or are you considering physical therapies?

I am taking or have taken hormones or have had some type of gender surgery
I have not taken hormones or had gender surgery, but I'm considering it.
I am not considering hormones or gender surgery

suzifrommd

For the non-binary gendered people at Susan's: How many of you have undergone or are considering physical therapies such as hormones or surgery.
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Edge

I am definitely considering it. It depends on how my feelings about my gender progress.
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eli77

SRS, FFS, and 18 months of hormones. Still non-binary, just with a body that works a bit better.
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Julian

I've had top surgery, and have considered T in the past. Now, I'm pretty happy with my body and I don't think I want to change it any further, gender-wise.
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Metroland

I first started to question my gender when I realized that I felt wrong about my genitals.  After a few years I realized that I am non-binary.  So first I felt the physical urges.  I would love to have some sort of HRT.  Something to feminize me a little bit and reduce the raging testosterone in my body.
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Pica Pica

I'm working on the project of learning my relationship with my body, rather than changing my body. Like all relationships, there is rough and smooth that have to be worked through, but I find it a far more do-able project than changing my body, and I have so many other projects I am more invested in.
'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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aleon515

I'm finding myself *very* drawn to T. Not sure if it a moth towards flame, or something more positive.

--Jay jay
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VelvetBat

I don't really know which answer to choose in the poll, because I have decided that I want hormones and some surgeries (to get my breasts and uterus removed). So I am not considering those but instead I know that for sure. And now it is only waiting on the long, long waiting list of the gender clinic in my country. So it will take at least 3 or 4 years before my body is 'finished'.

Even though I feel andrygyn, I want to have a male looking body and voice, because my current body feels 'wrong'. And within the binary society I'd rather be a 'he' than a 'she'. So that's why I want the hormones and surgeries.
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foosnark

I've thought about it in the past, and realized there are no practical physical changes relating to gender I could make that would make me happier.  That doesn't mean I love my body as it is.  But short of a total miraculous transformation beyond the hope of current technology, none of the things I would change about it are gender-related.

In many ways I don't feel like it's *my* body, just *a* body.  I tend to not ntocie it unless it's getting in the way of what I want to do.
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Padma

Quote from: aleon515 on July 25, 2012, 08:21:08 PM
I'm finding myself *very* drawn to T. Not sure if it a moth towards flame, or something more positive.

Moth towards the moon? :)

I'm changing my body because I'm meant to be female, but I'm not changing my self, which is neither masculine nor feminine. I'm fortunate to have an understanding GIC doc.
Womandrogyne™
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Eva Marie

Raises hand.

I've documented my HRT experience here before so i won't repeat it; suffice it to say that i have a much calmer mental existence now. The body changes weren't really sought after but they came as part of taking HRT and my girl mode is happy with them.
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aleon515

I said:
>>I'm finding myself *very* drawn to T. Not sure if it a moth towards flame, or something more positive.

Quote from: Padma on July 26, 2012, 10:35:35 AM
Moth towards the moon? :)

I'm changing my body because I'm meant to be female, but I'm not changing my self, which is neither masculine nor feminine. I'm fortunate to have an understanding GIC doc.

Quite funny Padma!
I guess that I am not sure if I know I am androgyne or if I am ftm (or both as it is possible to be). Funny that I would not know this, but I feel very unsure of my own memories and so on right now. I've thought it would help if I recalled more.

--Jay Jay
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Padma

Quote from: aleon515 on July 26, 2012, 05:10:42 PM
I guess that I am not sure if I know I am androgyne or if I am ftm (or both as it is possible to be)...

We experience ourselves in so many different ways, there's no reason (except that it's not "conventional") why the way we experience ourselves physically and how we experience our gender expression/identity must follow traditional rules as to how these things "should" match up. I don't see any reason why being androgyne in gender and male or female (or androgynous) in physical body is a conflict. If that's how you are, that's enough.
Womandrogyne™
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Shana A

I've been living much more openly during the past few months, most friends and coworkers now know me as Z and my gender presentation is non-binary, feminine oriented. I'm considering HRT, but taking my time to decide.

Z
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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ativan

Low dose HRT, started with Spiro well over a year ago.
I have been using a low dose estradiol patch for a couple months or so.

Spiro can really take the negative aspects of testosterone away.
I find it works very well with my anger issues that stem from gender issues.

The E?  Smooth is the only way I have to describe it at this point.
I really haven't had much time to even think about it until just a couple weeks ago.
Within a couple hours of starting the first patch, all hell broke loose in my life.
But now that most of the meetings and legal crap is done,... smooth is about all I can tell you.

I do have a feeling that I have made the right move, and I don't plan on increasing anything or taking anything else.
Surgery is a distant thought, no more relevant than a 'what if' daydream.
But a lot of my wilder 'what if' daydreams have been realized from a small to great extent in my life, so...

Although low dose HRT and/or surgeries isn't for everyone, it is quite common among non-binary people.
At least it is through the University program that I use, and it is a leader in this field.
The poll has interesting results so far. It indicates a diversity among us. I look forward to more entries.

*rant warning*
We share a common ground, us non-binary people.
But... I think it would be very difficult, to group us using such things as HRT and surgery.
I don't think they have the significance to apply them to us that way.
The inclusions and exclusions would just be unfair, in to many ways.
There are just to many variables for that to be feasible.

Some people might view that as a down fall of sorts, I see it as a positive, a good thing.
Think of all the possibilities we have. We have much to offer, from many points of view.
We are full of new possibilities with regards to HRT and surgeries.
We redefine what it means, by presenting these possibilities.
We open many doors that have been locked to some.
That is difficult to do if you are grouped into some kind of sameness, we become lost in it.
There becomes a need for a well worn path to follow when that happens.
We are free to follow our own individual paths, without constraints of a group or type mentality.

I don't mean that all groups are a negative thing, for binaries I think it is a good thing.
I think it has allowed them to find definition, a sensible way to guide them on their own paths, to their destinations.
I can appreciate it because it is something that we draw from, ideas and ways of looking at things.
We just do it differently, we have a journey as a definition, more than a destination.
Where we are destined as individuals, is secondary to how we will get there.

All of this, HRT or not, surgeries or not, it's a part of who we may be, or not.
I never did follow the rules, I have seen them changed and rewritten to often.
Rules are the guidelines that terms and boxes are made from.
If we think outside the 'regular' box, or we make that box bigger, it effectively becomes useless.
We define our own terms, we do not except the definitions of others.
Even among ourselves, we do this. We remain free to do that, to discuss it in many ways.
That's a good thing. That defines us more than anything else.

Ativan
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Padma

Aye. Being non-binary is like being bisexual. It's a term that covers a huge range of people who only have in common that we aren't in one or another perceived "end-zone" (i.e. man-woman, gay-straight) of a perceived spectrum - but who are in fact notable for our diversity, not our similarities. So it's reasonable to enquire out of curiosity about whether people are considering hormones, surgery, so long as we remain aware that all this tells us is how different we all are :).
Womandrogyne™
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ativan

Aye, Padma. There are some here who are in the end zone (end zone  :) ).
They can be, bigender being my first thought. (if that's OK)
But there are also those who are questioning their idea of non-binary vs transition.
I fully support them here. Even those in transition, with a male or female destination in mind.
As long as they can accept that they can do that and still be non-binary, or even questioning it.
I don't pretend to understand just how that works, but it works for me.
You think you might fit here, OK.
You think that a part of you belongs here, OK.
You want to be here for whatever reason, OK.
To me, non-binary can be looked at as a spectrum without ends, as opposed to a binary one that does.
You could think of them as being parrallel, you could see how easy it is to move from one to the other.

Indeed, it is more than reasonable to inquire about HRT, surgery,... even how much or how little.
We need all the information we can get. Good information that comes from us.

so long as we remain aware that all this tells us is how different we all are  :)

Nailed it. Right there.
We have a tendency, even a need to find similarities, a want to...
Our similarity is that we aren't.

Ativan
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aleon515

I think it is comparing notes. Honestly I find it helpful. Well I mean I haven't made a decision, but it is still information about a common (though hardly and in some cases very different) path.


--Jay Jay
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ativan

Quote from: aleon515 on July 28, 2012, 12:29:31 AM
I think it is comparing notes. Honestly I find it helpful.
--Jay Jay
We can use more of this.
It is quite helpful. I read it as about an even split, or could be.
I think it would have had a different result two yrs ago, when I was talking about HRT with my Psychologist.
Things are changing, whether it is easier to talk about this or are there more people looking at HRT and/or surgery.

Ativan
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Shana A

Quote from: Ativan Prescribed on July 28, 2012, 11:11:13 AM
Things are changing, whether it is easier to talk about this or are there more people looking at HRT and/or surgery.

More of us seem to be considering it than before, or at least talking openly about it. I believe another important factor is that treatment standards have recently progressed to include non binary and genderqueer people, whereas previous standards were much stricter.

Z
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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