Anyone still getting Ma'm over the phone?

[Dominick_81]

I'm over a year and a half on T and still getting Ma'm on the phone. I just got m'am over the phone today. I did correct her though. She just apologized and said the phones there are bad, which is probably not true b/c my voice is still extremely high.

Is anyone still getting Ma'm over the phone being almost 2 years on T?

My voice has not changed in a year. Will it get any deeper since it hasn't changed in a year?

[Keaira]

I used to think, yes it should, but given I spent half my life with T naturally in my system and my voice is naturally mostly in the female range, I cannot be certain if that applies. Some people develop faster than others. One thing that may help with your phone issue is change how you answer the phone. I think that's a big part of why I get called Ma'am on the phone these days. ^_^

[Robert Scott]

I am 10 months on T and I am ma'am every once and a while ... but I have weird stuff going on so my doctor is trying to fix it and says once that happens the T will be more effective.  We keep upping my T dosage even though I am in the male range....I am in the middle high range so I am not converting to E

[Jam]

I'm over a year and a half on T and still getting Ma'm on the phone. I just got m'am over the phone today. I did correct her though. She just apologized and said the phones there are bad, which is probably not true b/c my voice is still extremely high.

Is anyone still getting Ma'm over the phone being almost 2 years on T?

My voice has not changed in a year. Will it get any deeper since it hasn't changed in a year?

Do guys in your family have quite high voices? if they do then probably not.  I guess it would depend also on how high it was to begin with.  I don't get ma'm on the phone and im just over 7 months on T but, Ive always been asked my name first so they know based on that if im a boy or a girl.

I think what Keaira says is true, it makes a difference how you talk on the phone.

[Hayzer12]

Your voice should deepen a little more...

I am sorry you're in the position you're in. I haven't gotten ma'amed since around the 3 month mark, and even before then I could manipulate my voice to sound masculine.

[Dominick_81]

I used to think, yes it should, but given I spent half my life with T naturally in my system and my voice is naturally mostly in the female range, I cannot be certain if that applies. Some people develop faster than others. One thing that may help with your phone issue is change how you answer the phone. I think that's a big part of why I get called Ma'am on the phone these days. ^_^

Yeah, usually when I'm on the phone, my voice starts to go way up. I don't know why I talk so high on the phone. I think I do it cause I want to sound polite and if I talk lower it sounds harsher, I guess...?

I am 10 months on T and I am ma'am every once and a while ... but I have weird stuff going on so my doctor is trying to fix it and says once that happens the T will be more effective.  We keep upping my T dosage even though I am in the male range....I am in the middle high range so I am not converting to E

It sucks getting ma'am especially when your so used to getting mister. Sorry that happens to you sometimes.

Do guys in your family have quite high voices? if they do then probably not.  I guess it would depend also on how high it was to begin with.  I don't get ma'm on the phone and im just over 7 months on T but, Ive always been asked my name first so they know based on that if im a boy or a girl.

I think what Keaira says is true, it makes a difference how you talk on the phone.

All the guys in my family have normal low male voices, none of them are high. 

Your lucky your voice is deep and started passing at 7 months. I'm so disappointed that my voice hasn't deepen like it should have.

My dad is a, man and even he gets mam'd (tho relatively infrequently) over the phone.

That sucks. That has happen to my friend to a couple of times, but these are old ladies who are ms-gendering his voice over the phone.

Your voice should deepen a little more...

I am sorry you're in the position you're in. I haven't gotten ma'amed since around the 3 month mark, and even before then I could manipulate my voice to sound masculine.

I hope it deepens more. Your lucky too you voice was passing at 3 months. My voice was the same as pre-T voice at 3 months I think.

[Adam (birkin)]

Yeah, usually when I'm on the phone, my voice starts to go way up. I don't know why I talk so high on the phone. I think I do it cause I want to sound polite and if I talk lower it sounds harsher, I guess...?

I have the same problem. I want to sound polite, so I answer in a more feminine way. It's so ingrained, lol. I don't think my voice would pass as male yet anyway, but it doesn't help when I answer like a girl.

[Dominick_81]

I have the same problem. I want to sound polite, so I answer in a more feminine way. It's so ingrained, lol. I don't think my voice would pass as male yet anyway, but it doesn't help when I answer like a girl.

How many months on T are you?

[Jeatyn]

If it helps my other half is always getting misgendered over the phone, I think it is to do with the "telephone voice" phenomenon  If your voice is questionable and you try to annunciate and speak politely it comes across female. I don't pass in person and I do over the phone, but I don't have a telephone voice. I hate using the phone, it makes me nervous, so I tend to mumble and speak too fast and do a lot of "uuuuuh...eeerm" in between every sentence.

[Rita]

Its kind of some wierd mental block.  I can talk feminine, but once I pick up a phone its like ugh heh eh hey dude.  Some of us over exert ourselves on the phone(I always have).  We get louder ect ect.

Its like I forget how to speak, and just go with what is physically easier.

[AdamMLP]

I use phones as little as possible but where I know that I can speak fairly deeply normally when I'm at work - and trying to be polite and not throw the food in peoples faces/murder my boss - my voice always goes really high.  And it's not just me who notices it, my girlfriend's been in fits of laughter when she was sitting at the bar while I was waiting.

[sneakersjay]

Yes. 4.5 years later.  I hate my voice.

[Dominick_81]

If it helps my other half is always getting misgendered over the phone, I think it is to do with the "telephone voice" phenomenon  If your voice is questionable and you try to annunciate and speak politely it comes across female. I don't pass in person and I do over the phone, but I don't have a telephone voice. I hate using the phone, it makes me nervous, so I tend to mumble and speak too fast and do a lot of "uuuuuh...eeerm" in between every sentence.

Yeah,  I do that too, speak fast on the phone and do lots of "uuuuuh...eeerm" in between every sentence and studder as well.

Yes. 4.5 years later.  I hate my voice.

I'm sorry.

Thanks for the responses everybody.

[Adam (birkin)]

How many months on T are you?

5

[MadelineB]

I have the same problem. I want to sound polite, so I answer in a more feminine way. It's so ingrained, lol. I don't think my voice would pass as male yet anyway, but it doesn't help when I answer like a girl.

Thank you for an insight that helps me in the other direction. We have had some forest fires in my area, and my voice has been a little scratchy because of it. Still, I couldn't understand why suddenly after not getting sir-ed on the phone in many months, I got 4 in a row. Turns out the smoke was giving me severe sinus headaches, which made me surly, which made my normal extra-politeness jump out the window. It was enough to misgender me! There were times my voice was much less "passable" but I was a sweet polite thing on the phone and I had no trouble passing as female.

So if you could practice that surliness ("You want a piece of me?!!!) a little it might tip you over the edge like it did me this week.

[Dominick_81]

5

Are you happy with the changes so far?

[Jam]

All the guys in my family have normal low male voices, none of them are high. 

Your lucky your voice is deep and started passing at 7 months. I'm so disappointed that my voice hasn't deepen like it should have.

My voice is male but I would say it is JUST within the male range. I'm not sure if it will drop anymore or not. It isn't anywhere near as deep as my dads so that's a disappointment.
I believe that I pass on the phone purely because of how I speak on it. I doubt anyone would pick up the phone and instantly think I'm male 100% of the time purely based on my voice.

I used to have the female 'go high' thing but not much because I'm fairly shy and don't tend to express myself much. I just listened to how other guys answered the phone.
Most men I have listened to sound assertive on the phone. Even when they are asking a question they sound like they're in charge. Where as the women I have listened to tend to sound like they are always asking a question.
For example my mum will ring up for a pizza and ask for one in exactly the same tone as she'd use to ask someone if they mind her using the spare chair on there table. She asks like there's the possibility she might be denied.
My dad will ring up and ask for a pizza as though he's not asking but rather saying 'I want one so give it to me'. He sounds polite of course but its a demand rather then a question.
This seems to be the case in nearly all phone conversations they have, regardless of who it is they are talking to.

Could just be my family of course but that's what I've picked up. I am naturally laid back and blunt so I tend to use those qualities on the phone. I also (though I'm still a bit uncomfortable doing it because of my shyness) say mate when I'm talking to another guy. This is because typically in my part of the world men when talking to other men on the phone or in a shop will refer to other men as mate. Sometimes women do it to men too but it's much rarer.

Anyways that's just what I do, hopefully you might have found something useful in all that text lol

[Adam (birkin)]

Are you happy with the changes so far?

I am. I mean, my effects are happening in a different order than most guys on T. I wish my voice was deeper and I wish I passed on sight. But I am ecstatic with everything else, the fat redistribution, the hair, skin texture, muscles, downstairs growth. And I just feel a lot better emotionally on T. I couldn't handle the girl hormones.

[Dominick_81]

@Tom: Thanks for the info.

@edderkopp: Glad you are happy so far with your changes. I'm sure you'll be passing on sight soon and your voice will gradually get deeper as well.

[ChaoticTribe]

Whether you get Ma'am or Sir can be almost guaranteed on the phone if you learn one basic bit of muscle control. The -position- of your voice box/adams apple/vocal chords.

First, try to 'pull' them up into the very top of your throat. Getting the BACK of your tongue high toward the roof of the mouth and keeping the front part of your tongue in its normal position will help you isolate the muscle. Now try to talk.

That's the high pitch. Good. You got the muscle isolated (you do it this way because trying to go down first is harder if you haven't found the muscle and learned the sensation of moving it). Once you have, try to do the opposite and push it down toward your chest. When you try to speak like that it will sound MUCH deeper. May raise eyebrows if you suddenly change in person, but over the phone those pesky callers won't notice anything off and you will get addressed as sir. May take some practice to get it just right but trust me my cisgender dad uses a deeper phone voice, for the same reason I suspect!