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I got a emotionally charged letter from my brother, mom told him why I am here.

Started by Shawn Sunshine, September 24, 2012, 02:08:30 PM

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Shawn Sunshine

My mother decided to tell my brother (who is in jail for a misunderstanding in the court room and fighting to get out) that I am here trying to transform into a woman. She told him after I asked my mom not to tell him yet.I did not want to tell him till he got out which is this december.

He sent her a letter which she read to me over the phone (he doesnt have my new addy yet) which repeatadley said over and over in exclamation points "You are my brother"!!" It goes on to say things about how he looks up to me for being a gentle man and that its ok to have feminine traits, and also that he thinks I am being taken over by slick and sly crafty demons. Part of me still believes that could be the case.

His letter made me cry though because I can see that he is shocked and concerened for me, even though he thinks what I am about to do is againts God. He is in the same from of mind I was just 6 months ago. His words though in the letter are so touching and moving for the most part that it makes me really cry and want to stop all this and go back so my brother won't be hurt.

But I can't really do that and be truly happy can I? But yet I still will be unhappy moving forward and causing my brother pain whom I love very much.


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Beverly

You mother is trying to control you through your brother. He may well be concerned for you but if he loves you he will let you do whatever is right for yourself and your  happiness. Your life is YOURS to live, not his or your mother's. Wait until you speak to him in person because from your mother's attitude I am sure she is not acting in an unbiased manner.

And Shawn, there are no such things as demons.
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Ave

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Shawn Sunshine

Um I have actually run across a demon before and it made the whole room cold and i shivered, whatever was in that room was evil and I prayed for protection. After that it went away.

But I don't have any inside me, all I have inside of me is God and the Holy Spirit.
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Shawn Sunshine

Quote from: brc on September 24, 2012, 02:15:09 PM
You mother is trying to control you through your brother. He may well be concerned for you but if he loves you he will let you do whatever is right for yourself and your  happiness. Your life is YOURS to live, not his or your mother's. Wait until you speak to him in person because from your mother's attitude I am sure she is not acting in an unbiased manner.


Yeah I have no idea how she explained it to him but it was wrong of her to tell him and add stress to his life, especially when I was not ready to tell, my mom didnt respect my wishes.
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Jamie D

Quote from: brc on September 24, 2012, 02:15:09 PM
You mother is trying to control you through your brother. He may well be concerned for you but if he loves you he will let you do whatever is right for yourself and your  happiness. Your life is YOURS to live, not his or your mother's. Wait until you speak to him in person because from your mother's attitude I am sure she is not acting in an unbiased manner.

And Shawn, there are no such things as demons.

Before this goes too far, let me add a word of caution.

We need to respect the beliefs of others.  They may not be our beliefs, but it is not permissible on this site to bash those beliefs.  (Not saying you are.)

If one believes in the Judeo-christian deity, it follows that "demons" also exist.  And the concept of demons is not restricted to a single religion.
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SarahM777

Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on September 24, 2012, 02:08:30 PM
My mother decided to tell my brother (who is in jail for a misunderstanding in the court room and fighting to get out) that I am here trying to transform into a woman. She told him after I asked my mom not to tell him yet.I did not want to tell him till he got out which is this december.

He sent her a letter which she read to me over the phone (he doesnt have my new addy yet) which repeatadley said over and over in exclamation points "You are my brother"!!" It goes on to say things about how he looks up to me for being a gentle man and that its ok to have feminine traits, and also that he thinks I am being taken over by slick and sly crafty demons. Part of me still believes that could be the case.

His letter made me cry though because I can see that he is shocked and concerened for me, even though he thinks what I am about to do is againts God. He is in the same from of mind I was just 6 months ago. His words though in the letter are so touching and moving for the most part that it makes me really cry and want to stop all this and go back so my brother won't be hurt.

But I can't really do that and be truly happy can I? But yet I still will be unhappy moving forward and causing my brother pain whom I love very much.




Remember they are looking at the outside not what is in the inside. What they see is a man and they have seen a man for quite a while. It's not easy to change that. I have found at times this helped me with other Christians. What I have asked them to do is pray and ask God to see me through His eyes not what they see on the outside. It does seem to help a lot when they do it and it will change them if they do it. But it is dependent on if they choose to do so.

The other side is that you may want to pray for wisdom to deal with them in a loving manner,and to speak the words they need to hear.
Answers are easy. It's asking the right questions which is hard.

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jainie marlena

Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on September 24, 2012, 02:21:20 PM

But I don't have any inside me, all I have inside of me is God and the Holy Spirit.

there are some here that believe this is accepted by God and see it in the bible such as myself for one but to tell it to someone that thinks it is wrong is a waist o f breath to me. I tryed.

justmeinoz

I am no longer a Christian, but I do know that what Jesus said about sexuality and gender is...   If you get my drift.

It's your life, so who is someone who didn't even have enough sense to control himself in a Courtroom of all places, to tell you how to live your own life. 
"Don't ask me, it was on fire when I lay down on it"
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tekla

1.  Once you tell someone something there is no way you can control who else is going to be told.  If it's important to keep it secret in order to keep it safe, then tell no one.  Benjamin Franklin, who when he wasn't some jolly fat guy flying kites and doing general good works, was a high ranking member of a revolutionary vanguard who went up against the greatest power in the world - not just King George III, but the entire idea of kings in the first place.  Had any of them been caught or captured (as several were) they would have been executed as traitors and enemies of the state.  So old Ben said something in his profound wisdom, something that today the Hell's Angels (no strangers to vast criminal conspiracies themselves) also love to quote:
Three can keep a secret if two are dead.

You can not EVER tell another person something and control who they are going to tell it to.  And I think that goes double for moms.


2.  As someone who has intimate knowledge of at least part of your problem, the part where your brother is beginning a tour (and I say it's only a start because all the warning signs are there for further escapades with the criminal justice system) of state institutions  --- I used to, and at times still do tell people that I went to the State University, and my brother went to the State Prison - and the big ones, San Quentin, Folsom, Solidad -- that you can love him, support him, visit him, write him letters, don't disown him as others might, but never, ever make a decision based on causing him pain, or discomfort, or disappointment, or not living up to his expectations.  He lost that right when he acted in a manner that got him put in jail.  Since he obviously cares nothing about other people - oh sure he's say he does, but the actions never back up the words - you have to keep some things at arms length from him.  Some guy who's getting 3 hots and a cot at state expense there at the free motel has a lot of damn gall telling anyone else that they are acting against god, and you need to just discount that kind of thinking on his part.  Really, what would he know about that?  I love my brother.  I know he loves me.  When everyone else abandoned him, I didn't and he is fiercely loyal to me.  That love however did not protect me, or preclude me being on the back of his Honda Gold Wing having my life pass before my eyes every second for more than 40 minutes while he was involved in a high speed police chase.  So take anything he says with a pillar of salt and take strength in the fact that you are not going to listen to his thoughts on how to live a good life and all that, since he obviously doesn't know.  Criminals are not exactly the sharpest tools in the box, but most criminals at least know enough not to go all helter-skelter in a court room.


3.  If you're having a problem with demons then you have two choices.  One is you can battle them on their terms.  Spiritual warfare against spiritual powers.  I'm pretty sure such things involve (as they do in the Bible) human and animal sacrifices, exorcisms, prayer wars, amulets and magic.  Bells seem to have some weird power over them, as does fire - the ultimate purification.  Also putting sea salt around the perimeter of an area might keep them away, they seem to fear crucifixes, holy water, and consecrated olive oil.  Sage also seem to be of some use, and has the added benefit of making your house smell better.  Largely though I'm pretty sure you're toast.  The Catholic Church for centuries and centuries - millennial even - practiced the casting out of demons, but they have all but abandoned it based on modern psychology and the fact that most of the people they tried to exorcise died in the process.  Their basic text in the matter was the Benedictine Vade Retro Satana, but that was replaced/updated in 1999 with De Exorcismis Et Supplicationibus Quibusdam.  Where these books, along with the Malleus Maleficarum, were once extremely rare and access granted only to a very special few and then only under highly extraordinary circumstances, I'm pretty sure that along with everything else you can now find them on the net.

They are very dangerous however.  Malleus Maleficarum alone was responsible for the wholesale slaughter of women (in a really gruesome and sadistic manner) in many parts of Europe for a long time, and even the Spanish Inquisition doubted it (and they didn't doubt much at all).  And the modern world tends to take a negative attitude toward the labeling of women (and on occasion, but rarely, men) as witches, and frowns upon purifying them with fire, and the use of torture to obtain confessions.  And, as I stated above, the most likely outcome of exorcism is death.

The other great danger of these type of works is that in the modern world it's pretty much considered to be a sign of severe mental imbalance to believe any of that, and many of the actions that follow are considered criminal.  Any scientific based treatment, like psychology and psychiatry will not help you ward off demons, instead they would treat you for mental health problems (possibly organic in origin, so lots of blood tests would be in order, along wit a CAT scan to make sure you don't have a brain tumor) because you believe in demons in the first place.  So you should take great care in this area.  Jamie might be all about respecting the beliefs of others in this area, but most people in current Western society are not and consider such beliefs and notions as dangerous.
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A

*Headbang*

If demons exist, think of what they are supposed. Amoral beings who do things for their own benefit. Would anything benefit from something stupid like making people want to be the other gender? No. Besides, I've never heard of demons who thought in the victim's place, no matter what myth they were from, be it a catholic speech, a movie or a six-year-old series. I don't think the possessed is supposed to be able to ponder about whether they're possessed and decide that they're not.

And to begin with! Why am I even wondering about what demons are supposed to be like? Use plain common sense and see for yourself that it doesn't make sense in the slightest.

Gosh, how can people be otherwise so logical but come to accept any nonsense when it comes to surnatural stuff and religion?
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Kevin Peña

Quote from: A on September 25, 2012, 08:07:40 PM
*Headbang*

If demons exist, think of what they are supposed. Amoral beings who do things for their own benefit. Would anything benefit from something stupid like making people want to be the other gender? No. Besides, I've never heard of demons who thought in the victim's place, no matter what myth they were from, be it a catholic speech, a movie or a six-year-old series. I don't think the possessed is supposed to be able to ponder about whether they're possessed and decide that they're not.

And to begin with! Why am I even wondering about what demons are supposed to be like? Use plain common sense and see for yourself that it doesn't make sense in the slightest.

Gosh, how can people be otherwise so logical but come to accept any nonsense when it comes to surnatural stuff and religion?

First off, let me say that this is a debate for another place and time. It has nothing to do with the issue and you can't change people's beliefs, so don't start something that can never be finished.

As for what I have to say. Shawn, you should do what makes you happy. Even if it hurts your brother, you can't live trying to please everyone, because it is impossible. There are times where it's ok for you to do something for yourself. No one is completely selfless (if they were, they'd be dead). The best you can do is let your brother know that you love him and that that won't change because of your transition. If you really feel that you must transition to be happy, do so. You have the right to be happy and no one can take that away from you because they might be offended. If we all lived trying to be "proper" and not hurt anyone's feelings, we'd be silent and miserable. Once again, you can't please everyone, so you might as well please yourself sometimes.
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Ave

Quote from: DianaP on September 25, 2012, 08:48:55 PM
First off, let me say that this is a debate for another place and time. It has nothing to do with the issue and you can't change people's beliefs, so don't start something that can never be finished.

As for what I have to say. Shawn, you should do what makes you happy. Even if it hurts your brother, you can't live trying to please everyone, because it is impossible. There are times where it's ok for you to do something for yourself. No one is completely selfless (if they were, they'd be dead). The best you can do is let your brother know that you love him and that that won't change because of your transition. If you really feel that you must transition to be happy, do so. You have the right to be happy and no one can take that away from you because they might be offended. If we all lived trying to be "proper" and not hurt anyone's feelings, we'd be silent and miserable. Once again, you can't please everyone, so you might as well please yourself sometimes.

saying you've witnessed demons yourself is a bit...much.
just my two cents.
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Kevin Peña

Quote from: Ave on September 25, 2012, 08:57:22 PM
saying you've witnessed demons yourself is a bit...much.
just my two cents.

What? I've never witnessed demons before. Don't even believe in them (doesn't mean other people don't). When did I ever say that I saw demons?

If you're talking about someone else, it still doesn't change the fact that this debate isn't fruitful, so let's all just drop the religion discussion.
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A

Ave was referring to how Shawn told about having witnessed demons.

Apart from that, I don't think it's irrelevant to talk about how demons being the origin of ->-bleeped-<- is (according to me at the very least) not very rational. I understand that making threads into religious debates is nasty, but here, there is a problem, and its cause is such a thing. Isn't avoiding the topic counter-productive?

There's a problem exposed here about how that unrealistic belief is causing trouble. It's one thing to think that transition is morally incorrect. I don't agree with that, but that's not the point. But it's a whole other thing to say it's because of evil beings. That's not just saying that the transitioner is wrong; it's doubting their very free will; basically, destroying their self. And if the transitioner actually believes in those accusations, it can have devastating impacts.

And as someone whose path in life was made much harder by unrealistic beliefs (though not the same and mine in this case), I felt it was important to warn of the risks. The danger with those is that you can always throw away your issues there and deny them, and do that protected from your rational self. Then it can build up much, much more, and when you finally come to terms with the truth, the ball of nasty knots to untie is heaps larger.

Anyway, if you insist that this is wrong, I'll stop, no issue. I hate to fight.
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Ave

Quote from: A on September 25, 2012, 09:28:53 PM
Ave was referring to how Shawn told about having witnessed demons.

Apart from that, I don't think it's irrelevant to talk about how demons being the origin of ->-bleeped-<- is (according to me at the very least) not very rational. I understand that making threads into religious debates is nasty, but here, there is a problem, and its cause is such a thing. Isn't avoiding the topic counter-productive?

There's a problem exposed here about how that unrealistic belief is causing trouble. It's one thing to think that transition is morally incorrect. I don't agree with that, but that's not the point. But it's a whole other thing to say it's because of evil beings. That's not just saying that the transitioner is wrong; it's doubting their very free will; basically, destroying their self. And if the transitioner actually believes in those accusations, it can have devastating impacts.

And as someone whose path in life was made much harder by unrealistic beliefs (though not the same and mine in this case), I felt it was important to warn of the risks. The danger with those is that you can always throw away your issues there and deny them, and do that protected from your rational self. Then it can build up much, much more, and when you finally come to terms with the truth, the ball of nasty knots to untie is heaps larger.

Anyway, if you insist that this is wrong, I'll stop, no issue. I hate to fight.


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SarahM777

Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on September 24, 2012, 02:08:30 PM


He sent her a letter which she read to me over the phone (he doesnt have my new addy yet) which repeatadley said over and over in exclamation points "You are my brother"!!" It goes on to say things about how he looks up to me for being a gentle man and that its ok to have feminine traits, and also that he thinks I am being taken over by slick and sly crafty demons. Part of me still believes that could be the case.




It's very rare for someone to be "taken over".  Most often it happens because of someone being very involved with the occult. It's not as common as some would like to think it is. There has to be an opening for them to come in.

From a Christian perspective can a Christian be possessed? You say that you have the Holy Spirit inside of you. Can Jesus and a demon "live" in the same person at the same time? Are we not told that the demons fear Him? As a Christian we are told to resist the devil and he will flee. No where is a Christian ever told to "cast" a demon out of another Christian. Not one verse can be found to show that. If it's not there why isn't there?

Answers are easy. It's asking the right questions which is hard.

Be positive in the fact that there is always one person in a worse situation then you.

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tekla

Ummmm, that's a misuse of the word 'occult' (one that's all too common) as somehow being synonymous with satanic practices.  Though such things might fall under it, the word itself has a much broader meaning, and only refers to knowledge that is 'hidden' or 'secret' and/or 'magic'. The study of the Kabbalah, Christian Gnosticism,  or being in the Masonic Order are all forms of occult knowledge, and none of them are tools of the devil.  Magic in and of itself is not good or evil - it's simply making things work when you don't know exactly why it's working or how.
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SarahM777

Quote from: tekla on September 26, 2012, 08:17:12 AM
Ummmm, that's a misuse of the word 'occult' (one that's all too common) as somehow being synonymous with satanic practices.  Though such things might fall under it, the word itself has a much broader meaning, and only refers to knowledge that is 'hidden' or 'secret' and/or 'magic'. The study of the Kabbalah, Christian Gnosticism,  or being in the Masonic Order are all forms of occult knowledge, and none of them are tools of the devil.  Magic in and of itself is not good or evil - it's simply making things work when you don't know exactly why it's working or how.

I do apologize for the confusion. I should have clarified it. What I meant was the "black arts".

PS: Thanks for correcting me.
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