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Started by pretty, October 13, 2012, 12:48:48 PM

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Seyranna

I intimidate men way too much to be scared of them lol...

Most men are spineless tools I don't fear them I pity them. They barely dare make eye contact with me and those who dare are often over-confident douchebags. I guess if I was clockable I would be more self-conscious around men or maybe it's just because I'm not hetero and since I don't want to please them in any way( getting hit on/cat called is already annoying enough) I don't apprehend how they are perceiving me so there's no fear involved.
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pretty

I guess everyone has different experiences  :)

It feels like a phobia. Like way beyond what is reasonable. Well I can't be reasonable about it... how do you even get over that :( I swear I can't even talk to the men in my own family!!
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kelly_aus

I have no fear of men. They are just men.. But then, I have no interest in them, at least not as a possible partner. I have friends who are men. Some who knew me before and some that I've met since transition. The ones I knew before all treat me the same - as their friend.. And the ones I've met since all treat me as a woman. :)
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Cindy

The majority of men I interact with are at my work sites., and they all knew me as a 'guy' before I went FT. They have all been very very charming and well mannered. Totally accepting and if I'm in any way joked or insulted about I have never heard it. I do find it a little odd that guys wait for me to enter the lift, open the door for me, and treat me in exactly the same way as they treat other woman.  There is BTW nothing sexist in my opinion about male - female courtesy.

I was surprised in the differences between how woman to woman interact and men and woman interact in public, I was warned of this and very happy to experience it as it validated my acceptance as female.

I have been very fortunate in social circles of not having the drunken lech move onto me.  But I am cautious about my physical safety, something I didn't think about when I was presenting as male. Indeed sometimes I looked for trouble.
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sally1990

I feared men because of a very abusive puberty physically , sexually and mentally. I never knew what caused it , I use to try and act as manly as possible and it never worked. Up until the age of 20 I would not look men in the eye, I avoided talking to them at all costs , I wore a hood over my head ,  I got anxious whenever I had to do group projects with men.  I could not talk to brothers/sisters male friends if they come over , I refused to answer door when I was only one home. I literally had the most intense fear of men that caused me to just get lost in anxiety and depression. So I got help , I talked to a lady who put me in a self esteem program with men in it.

I noticed them talking to me , and I would just be as shy and awkward as usual , but they were "cool" in the fact they didn't pick on me or move away from me because of it. I went to tafe and had this teacher come into class and make sure I wasn't stressing about men... yes that's right I needed a person in my own class to make me feel safe from them. Then guys would hang around me at the tafe, cause the girls + teacher sat with me , and they'd talk to me, and ofc I'd be fearful and awkward and they just wouldn't care. I eventually just avoided the bad apples , and not all the bad apples are masculine by the way. My 2 best friends boyfriends talked to me because prob from their request, and I actually get along with them pretty well.

I went online talked to guys through my friends on skype and guys can be alright, when you take away all that boy stuff they talk about =). I have a pretty healthy relationship with a guy , I have lots of male friends , that always wanna talk to me and they are straight. Since i'm new into transition obvious not over the net its harder , but my brother's friends talk to me, don't really mention it. My sisters boyfriends don't care. Males on the street, I just walk head up high, the good thing about being 6 feet tall is that you feel a bit empowered sometimes if you had to take on a teenage smart mouth male. Of course I don't put myself into situations where I'd be at super risk of a drunk guy or a group of guys that I couldn't avoid because of that being responsible in my town without being 100% stealth*which I don't ever plan to do*. I don't know when I feared men, I could never have a conversation and just felt how different I was , when I tried my best to stop fearing them, I could talk to them about different things , and they would think i'm alright to talk to. Fear , just don't fear if its not necessary , it will just  cause ya to have anxiety and depression from my experience anyway.
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twit

I don't fear them, but I am wary of them, especially when they have been drinking. I really don't have to deal with many outside of my job though.
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suzifrommd

I've always feared men, even as I've lived as one. Combination of being bullied when younger, physical vulnerability, and the attitudes a lot of men have toward gender variance.
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fluffy

I don't necessarily have a fear of men, but i am afraid of most teenage boys my age.
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A

I'm curious, where does this fear of young guys in particular come from? Were you picked on by them? Because in my own experience, at least, they start being bad - if they do - when they become adults, mostly. Did you live the contrary? :/
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peky

Quote from: pretty on October 14, 2012, 01:20:25 AM
I guess everyone has different experiences  :)

It feels like a phobia. Like way beyond what is reasonable. Well I can't be reasonable about it... how do you even get over that :( I swear I can't even talk to the men in my own family!!

If it is this^^ hard, then you should seek the help of a psychiatrist dear
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PHXGiRL

Quote from: pretty on October 13, 2012, 12:48:48 PM
Does anybody else have this?

Ok I love my bf and trust him immensely but for people I have never met before I find it very hard to trust or be comfortable around men... do you think this is kind of a normal MTF thing or am I just crazy??  :-\ I do have a little general anxiety but usually I am mostly fine around other girls, but with guys I just feel like they are judging me a lot and that if I talk to them they are going to hurt me or something... I get really anxious interacting with them and just want to make an excuse to leave ASAP.

It feels like it must be because of growing up scared that boys would expect you to be "one of them" and having your femininity made fun of... but yeah so I wonder am I alone on that?? And does anyone have any ideas on how to fix it?  :-\

Nope your not alone! I have the same problem. I have always felt like I had to prove myself on how macho I was and had to act twice as much growing up and in my current life. When at work if two males walk onto the car lot to shop for cars I won't talk to them just because I get a high level of that same anxiety that your referring too.  When the guys at work break off into a typical "guy conversation" I just walk away or start zoning myself out. I'm really not concerned about it going away in all honesty I'm sure many cis-females get jitters around men.
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fluffy

Quote from: A on October 14, 2012, 08:51:05 AM
I'm curious, where does this fear of young guys in particular come from? Were you picked on by them? Because in my own experience, at least, they start being bad - if they do - when they become adults, mostly. Did you live the contrary? :/
Well they do pick on me quite a bit (calling me weird and all sorts of stuff), but i also think it's because they tend to do things that are so rude and inappropriate. I'm also easily frightened, so just being rough can scare me. I'm not really afraid of older men because they're normally well behaved.
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GendrKweer

Quote from: Shantel on October 13, 2012, 02:06:21 PM
Not fearful but somewhat disdainful having had to deal with a bunch of Neanderthals looking like walrus's with all that hair sticking out of their faces, food stuck in their moustaches stained by nicotine, a big wad of chew, blowing stinking breath that smells like sh** in my face, a mix of chew and last nights barf from too much booze. As they lean over and tell me about their great sexual exploits with women.
I go really??? :icon_yikes:

Hahaahaha! From one mtf andro to another, you nailed it.
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Ave

Quote from: Shantel on October 13, 2012, 02:06:21 PM
Not fearful but somewhat disdainful having had to deal with a bunch of Neanderthals looking like walrus's with all that hair sticking out of their faces, food stuck in their moustaches stained by nicotine, a big wad of chew, blowing stinking breath that smells like sh** in my face, a mix of chew and last nights barf from too much booze. As they lean over and tell me about their great sexual exploits with women.
I go really??? :icon_yikes:

LOL! I find men sweet <3, maybe since I'm attracted to them also I find those traits endearing,,,

except the tobacco chewing and stinking breath, and sexual exploits...I've never experienced that with a guy ever, BUT I have experienced a few girls that I know talking about how their man is so good/hung in bed lol.

darn my involuntary inclusion in womyns spaces ::)
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I can see you
Are you me?
Or am I you?
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Shantel

Quote from: Ave on October 14, 2012, 11:02:13 AM
LOL! I find men sweet <3, maybe since I'm attracted to them also I find those traits endearing,,,

except the tobacco chewing and stinking breath, and sexual exploits...I've never experienced that with a guy ever, BUT I have experienced a few girls that I know talking about how their man is so good/hung in bed lol.


I live in the Northwest where there are fewer refined metrosexuals than live there in New York. They drive pickups with a rifle and NRA stickers in the back window and their dogs in the truck bed. They wear Levis so filthy that they stand up on their own. LOL you haven't lived yet Ave!
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Ave

Quote from: Shantel on October 14, 2012, 11:18:51 AM
I live in the Northwest where there are fewer refined metrosexuals than live there in New York. They drive pickups with a rifle and NRA stickers in the back window and their dogs in the truck bed. They wear Levis so filthy that they stand up on their own. LOL you haven't lived yet Ave!

LOL omfg these aren't "refined" metrosexuals, they're thugs and drop outs and been in jail already twice guys, they're usually nice to me though so *shrugs*
I can see me
I can see you
Are you me?
Or am I you?
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SarahM777

Quote from: Shantel on October 14, 2012, 11:18:51 AM
I live in the Northwest where there are fewer refined metrosexuals than live there in New York. They drive pickups with a rifle and NRA stickers in the back window and their dogs in the truck bed. They wear Levis so filthy that they stand up on their own. LOL you haven't lived yet Ave!

Oh NO!!!! That sounds just like one of my brothers! My father did the same thing with his gardening clothes. He would come home from work,change into his work clothes,sweat like a pig,then take them off throw onto a chair,on TOP of his other clean grubby clothes,and do that for three days straight before changing them. EEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!
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Christine

Quote from: Cindy James on October 14, 2012, 02:20:41 AM
I do find it a little odd that guys wait for me to enter the lift, open the door for me, and treat me in exactly the same way as they treat other woman.  There is BTW nothing sexist in my opinion about male - female courtesy.

I love it when a gentleman opens a door, lets me go ahead in a line or elevator(excuse me, a Que and a lift LOL). Makes me feel good about myself!
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Janae


I know exactly what you mean. I feel the same way even though I'm attracted to men. Funny thing is I've always been uncomfortable around men, even as a kid. I guess it's due to the fact that I never know how they perceive me. It's sort of unfair to pre-judge but I find myself doing it with regards to men. I always expect them to judge me or come off as hostel. Unless a man proves me wrong by his actions I'm usually reserved around them. The weird thing is I get very nervous and uncomfortable around them. It's much easier to interact with women though. I feel like they are a lot less likely to react to me negativity.


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jacqueline_rose

First off congrats Giselle on starting your transformation! Im jealous. lol.

I can honestly say that i am afraid of men. I can interact with them, and its been easier since i started hanging out with gay men, but I dont know when any of them are trying to hit on me, I always take the advances in a bad way and distance myself until we resume normal conversations. For someone who wants to be with a man, and would honestly prefer a dominant man, Im far to afraid of them to let any come near me. (one of my friends joked and said that I would need to meet him by having him grab me and just kiss me. as exhilerating as it sounds, I think id knee him. lol) I think that I will be more confident when I begin taking hormones and truly start changing, but for now even if i did meet someone interested, how would I know that he would really want me? straight men want a woman and im not there yet physically. Gay men want a man and I certainly dont intend to stay as one. knowing this I cant really trust any of them.
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.

-Robert Frost (The Road Not Taken)
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