6 questions for Mr. Mitt Roney on Gay and Transgende issues

[Snowpaw]

The membership of each House of Congress in the 111th Congress is a matter of public record.

So we should have to google your statements?

No, it adds to credibility to
1. Not play devil's advocate for the lulz
2. If stating something one should at least try to provide a source. www.google.com or any other search engine doesn't count btw

Not great but here is a quick search. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_Non-Discrimination_Act

I digress.

Trivia question still stands :O

Who is currently pandering to us and who is pandering to the people who hate us?

[Jamie D]

Both sides suck I've made that abundantly clear as my view. So here is the simplest way I can put it... Which side panders to us, which side panders to the people who hate us. If I wanted to piss my vote away I would vote for someone else entirely, however I want 4 years of a "yeah maybe we will look into helping you out" vs a "hah screw you abominations, in fact let's take away any chance you have of getting married or having job protections." I mean if you really want to gamble and think that Romney/ryan would change their stances after being elected, it's your vote. If you want to sit at home dressed like a clown instead of voting, your choice. Just don't whine when the obvious happens and our rights are put on hold for 4 years.

Oh well. Such is life. I would rather not stick that gun to my foot.


Annnnnd he quickly changed his mind on it, didn't he? Yeah we always forget to mention their current political status don't we. I find it odd for someone who is such a crusader for gay rights is running with someone who is so oh shall we say fervently against it.

Mr Romney is not against "gay rights."  However, he supports traditional marriage.

"I oppose same-sex marriage," Romney told [CNN host Piers] Morgan. "At the same time, I would advance the efforts not to discriminate against people who are gay."

You misrepresent Romney's position.  Obama, on the other hand, recently stated he will not push for marriage equality on the Federal level.

Ryan's vote on ENDA is a matter of record.  He has never repudiated his vote.

[Snowpaw]

Mr Romney is not against "gay rights."  However, he supports traditional marriage.

"I oppose same-sex marriage," Romney told [CNN host Piers] Morgan. "At the same time, I would advance the efforts not to discriminate against people who are gay."

You misrepresent Romney's position.  Obama, on the other hand, recently stated he will not push for marriage equality on the Federal level.

Ryan's vote on ENDA is a matter of record.  He has never repudiated his vote.

Well there is a reason for that. He like your posts in regards to politics tends to dance around avoiding that certain subject. Oh and he is for censoring porn. How sad a chip in every new computer to stop us for seeing free pooters! Or at least he wants that :<


Oh and just to show I am not biased. Obama did sign a very controversial NDAA act I believe. Nothing like a fear of being imprisoned for political dissention, (well at a very worst shtf scenario) Still not a very nice thing of mister obama to do :O

Oh well I do tire and wish to sleep and other stuff. Or at the very least stop using my brain power. Think I will just go geek out on some criminal minds. <3 garcia

[Jamie D]

So we should have to google your statements?

No, it adds to credibility to
1. Not play devil's advocate for the lulz
2. If stating something one should at least try to provide a source. www.google.com or any other search engine doesn't count btw

Not great but here is a quick search. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_Non-Discrimination_Act

I digress.

Trivia question still stands :O

Who is currently pandering to us and who is pandering to the people who hate us?

Democrats in the House, under Speaker Pelosi, began the 111th Congress with a 257-178 majority.  They controlled the legislative agenda.  Rep Frank (D-MA) introduced ENDA, where it stalled in a Democrat-controlled Committee.

The Democrats in the Senate began holding 57 seats, with 2 Independents who caucused with them.  Republican Arlen Spector then switched parties, and two other Republicans openly supported ENDA legislation, for an effective filibuster-proof supermajority.

There is nothing more that needs to be said.  The Democrats failed to move the legislation, and Mr Obama failed to provide any leadership.

[peky]

Mr Romney is not against "gay rights."  However, he supports traditional marriage.

"I oppose same-sex marriage," Romney told [CNN host Piers] Morgan. "At the same time, I would advance the efforts not to discriminate against people who are gay."

I read: "I oppose same-sex marriage," because homosexuals are second class citizens that do not deserve the same right as we heterosexuals. According to my religious beliefs, homosexuals are an abomination."

"So, when I become President, you can kiss goodbye the church-state separation BS." "Oh, BTW, the best way to protect homosexuals from discrimination, is to segregate them from the general population, right?"

Of course, this is just my interpretation (pretty much ala bibible-bangers)

[Michelle G]

[Hikari]

The issue is, you have to read between the lines on what they say because, they never talk in specifics. Romney may be "for gay rights"  but it isn't like we know what that means, in my view any opposition to SSM is opposing LGBT rights in general. The president isn't much better when it comes to specifics, but I would take the devil I know over the one I don't any day of the week.

I would really like ENDA to be passed, due to bizarre laws, my workplace is not governed by the laws in DC (where I live) or VA (where I sorta work) but by the laws of Utah (where I have only been a few times in my entire life). Enda seems to be the only real solution to that aside from.finding a different job as Utah is not known for being super LGBT friendly.

[Snowpaw]

Democrats in the House, under Speaker Pelosi, began the 111th Congress with a 257-178 majority.  They controlled the legislative agenda.  Rep Frank (D-MA) introduced ENDA, where it stalled in a Democrat-controlled Committee.

The Democrats in the Senate began holding 57 seats, with 2 Independents who caucused with them.  Republican Arlen Spector then switched parties, and two other Republicans openly supported ENDA legislation, for an effective filibuster-proof supermajority.

There is nothing more that needs to be said.  The Democrats failed to move the legislation, and Mr Obama failed to provide any leadership.

Okies I'm out, this is just getting nowhere.

[Shana A]

Simply not the case.  The Democrats has absolute control of the legislative agenda in the 111th Congress, and they chose not to even move ENDA out of committee.  Obama failed to lead on the subject.

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/did-the-democrats-ever-really-have-60-votes-in-the-senate-and-for-how-long/

quoted from this website:

What this shows is is that there were only two time periods during the 111th Congress when the Democrats had a 60 seat majority:

    From July 7. 2009 (when Al Franken was officially seated as the Senator from Minnesota after the last of Norm Coleman's challenges came to an end) to August 25, 2009 (when Ted Kennedy died, although Kennedy's illness had kept him from voting for several weeks before that date at least); and
    From September 25, 2009 (when Paul Kirk was appointed to replace Kennedy) to February 4, 2010 (when Scott Brown took office after defeating Martha Coakley);
    For one day in September 2009, Republicans lacked 40 votes due to the resignation of Mel Martinez, who was replaced the next day by George LeMieux

So, to the extent there was a filibuster proof majority in the Senate it lasted during two brief periods which lasted for a total of just over five months when counted altogether (and Congress was in its traditional summer recess for most of the July-August 2009 time frame).

[Jamie D]

Well there is a reason for that. [Romney] like your posts in regards to politics tends to dance around avoiding that certain subject. Oh and he is for censoring porn. How sad a chip in every new computer to stop us for seeing free pooters! Or at least he wants that :<

SNIP

Your allegation sounded wrong, and indeed, it was.  But I had to research the issue.

"Computer pornography has given new meaning to the words 'home invasion,'" Romney said at a 2007 Values Voter summit, "If I am President, I will work to make sure that every computer sold into the home has an easy to engage pornography filter so that every parent can protect their child from unwanted filth."

- http://techcrunch.com/2012/07/24/could-romney-really-ban-porn/

It is readily apparent that Romney wanted parents to have the ability to screen pornography on home computers from their children.  That is not government censorship.

You really need to get your facts straight.

[Jamie D]

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/did-the-democrats-ever-really-have-60-votes-in-the-senate-and-for-how-long/

quoted from this website:

"So, to the extent there was a filibuster proof majority in the Senate it lasted during two brief periods which lasted for a total of just over five months when counted altogether (and Congress was in its traditional summer recess for most of the July-August 2009 time frame)."

The problem with that analysis is that Susan Collins (R-ME) was a co-sponsor of the legislation in the Senate.  And Olympia Snow (R-ME) would have supported ENDA as well. (http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Olympia_Snowe.htm)

The argument that "Republicans" or "Conservatives" could have blocked legislative action fails on its face.

[Snowpaw]

Your allegation sounded wrong, and indeed, it was.  But I had to research the issue.

"Computer pornography has given new meaning to the words 'home invasion,'" Romney said at a 2007 Values Voter summit, "If I am President, I will work to make sure that every computer sold into the home has an easy to engage pornography filter so that every parent can protect their child from unwanted filth."

- http://techcrunch.com/2012/07/24/could-romney-really-ban-porn/

It is readily apparent that Romney wanted parents to have the ability to screen pornography on home computers from their children.  That is not government censorship.

You really need to get your facts straight.

Considering I said he wanted to. Just wanted to. Never said he would. :3 You were wrong here or at least in regards to what I was saying.

Given that I recently rescinded myself from this I can now merely dance around the topic.

[Devlyn]

You can dance with me! Hugs, Devlyn

[Snowpaw]

You can dance with me! Hugs, Devlyn

That would be fun.

[Jamie D]

I read: "I oppose same-sex marriage," because homosexuals are second class citizens that do not deserve the same right as we heterosexuals. According to my religious beliefs, homosexuals are an abomination."

"So, when I become President, you can kiss goodbye the church-state separation BS." "Oh, BTW, the best way to protect homosexuals from discrimination, is to segregate them from the general population, right?"

Of course, this is just my interpretation (pretty much ala bibible-bangers)

You have a vivid imagination.

[peky]

You have a vivid imagination.

Which has been prove to be pretty accurate, from Mr. Ronald Reagan's  trickle economics that triplicate the National debt & started the "outsourcing plague,"  to George H. Bush "read my lips: no more taxes," which translated in to "read my hips" as new taxes were imposed in the middle and poor classes.

[Stephe]

Simply not the case.  The Democrats has absolute control of the legislative agenda in the 111th Congress, and they chose not to even move ENDA out of committee.  Obama failed to lead on the subject.

That shows how serious they are to further equal rights.

Yes they were busy getting don't ask don't tell repealed before the republicans took over. So again: what has the republican party done for LBGT rights since they have been in power after this "failure"? If they are who we want to represent our civil rights, ENDA should have blown through once they took over right?

[Stephe]

The problem with that analysis is that Susan Collins (R-ME) was a co-sponsor of the legislation in the Senate.  And Olympia Snow (R-ME) would have supported ENDA as well. (http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Olympia_Snowe.htm)

<sarc> Wow that is awesome, 2 republicans out of how many were in support of this and how many were against? I see now the republican party is who we want if we are concerned with our civil rights being moved forward! </sarc>

[Jamie D]

<sarc> Wow that is awesome, 2 republicans out of how many were in support of this and how many were against? I see now the republican party is who we want if we are concerned with our civil rights being moved forward! </sarc>

The point being, Stephe, the excuse made for the lack of any action by the Democrats was the "Republicans" would stop them in the Senate with 40 votes, and the ability to filibuster.  That is plainly wrong.  There were never 40 votes in the Senate to stop ENDA.

Democrats only support GLBTQ issues with words.  Their inaction on ENDA and DOMA from 2009-2011 prove that.

DADT was repealed in December 2010.  It took almost two years, with large majorities.  Odd, don't you think?  Came right after the electoral rout in November 2010.  Even odder.

Nor has there been any action in the Republican-controlled House of the 112th Congress, to take away any civil rights.

[Shana A]

Nor has there been any action in the Republican-controlled House of the 112th Congress, to take away any civil rights.

Their considerable efforts in trying to defund Planned Parenthood and limit abortion is working against the rights of women.

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