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6 questions for Mr. Mitt Roney on Gay and Transgende issues

Started by peky, October 27, 2012, 10:22:07 AM

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Stephe

Quote from: Jamie D on November 05, 2012, 01:26:30 AM
The point being, Stephe, the excuse made for the lack of any action by the Democrats was the "Republicans" would stop them in the Senate with 40 votes, and the ability to filibuster.  That is plainly wrong.  There were never 40 votes in the Senate to stop ENDA.

Democrats only support GLBTQ issues with words.  Their inaction on ENDA and DOMA from 2009-2011 prove that.

DADT was repealed in December 2010.  It took almost two years, with large majorities.  Odd, don't you think?  Came right after the electoral rout in November 2010.  Even odder.

Nor has there been any action in the Republican-controlled House of the 112th Congress, to take away any civil rights.

What do you call this? LBGT support from the republican party? O.o

http://www.progressivepunch.org/vote.htm?member=NC11&issue=R8&year=2011&num=516&district=11

http://www.washingtonblade.com/2012/05/10/house-approves-amendment-reaffirming-doma/

They made DOMA worse and are actively working overtime to make SURE no one sneaks through and has any rights as a LBGT person.

http://www.sgn.org/sgnnews40_19/mobile/page3.cfm

That was their reaction to Obama saying he now supports same sex marriage.

So yes there has been plenty of "action in the Republican-controlled House of the 112th Congress, to take away any civil rights". The facts do not support your beliefs nor what you are posting here.


On 'don't ask don't tell', all 55 dem senators voted yes, 8 republicans did and 31 voted no.

In the house dems 235 for, 15 against, republicans 15 for, 160 against.

http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/111/senate/2/281

http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/111/house/2/638

The republicans at the state and federal level are constantly trying to do things like make it illegal for trans people to use gender correct bathrooms etc.

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/01/12/403043/tennessee-legislature-introduces-transphobic-bathroom-bill/

You have posted a lot of stats with ZERO links to back up any of it. You wonder why it took so long for DADT to get passed when there was a HUGE majority of republicans fighting against it and working overtime to keep it from even being voted on? And that was before they "took over", nothing has moved forward since. And this is just LBGT issues, don't get me started on womens rights.

And you seem to be constantly preaching here if we want LBGT rights to move forward, vote republican. That is not supported by any facts other than your repeating "Look what they didn't do!" when the republican party is who worked to block those actions. Can you honestly say EDNA not being moved into the senate had nothing to do with heavy republican opposition to it? And the democrats are the ones at fault here?

The reality for anyone not wearing blinders is: that has no basis in fact whatsoever that the republican party supports LBGT rights and the ONLY thing stopping these civil rights from moving forward IS the republican party.

Once again, PLEASE post anything showing where the republican party as a whole has actively worked to improve the civil rights of the LBGT, or anyone for that matter. I've asked this at least a dozen times. I searched myself and you can't, because they have NEVER done anything for us and in fact are actively working against us.
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suzifrommd

All I need to know about Mitt's gay rights stand is found in his reaction to the revelation that he led a bunch of high school bullies to restrain and disfigure a gender-variant student.

He found such an event so unremarkable that he doesn't even remember it.

The man is DANGEROUS.
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Snowpaw

inb4 "liberals never really worked for it until lately when it was good to pander to votes"
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UCBerkeleyPostop

Florida looks like it is going to Obama. Looks like we won't have Mitt Roney to kick around anymore.
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Jamie D

Quote from: UCBerkeleyPostop on November 06, 2012, 09:30:17 PM
Florida looks like it is going to Obama. Looks like we won't have Mitt Roney to kick around anymore.

The chickens haven't hatched yet.

315K votes still out in "Obama" majority counties
350K votes out in Romney majority counties.

16,000 vote difference.
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Joelene9

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Michelle G

I'm happy, my daughters are happy!

Congrats Mr President and your lovely family!
Just a "California Girl" trying to enjoy each sunny day
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tekla

Gay marriage 'won' in 4 states.  Pot in 2.  The President is still black.  The 'Pubs didn't gain control of the Senate, they didn't even gain seats, they lost them.  20 women in the U.S. Senate now. 

The Sixties have won - the only thing that election lacked was a Grateful Dead concert.  People need to get over it, and get on with it.  People - as in "The People" (as in 'We the People") have chosen a direction, and we're still on it, and it does not look like we're going back, no matter how the South and Middle-west would like to.  They will have to be content with Federalism and they are free to make their states as regressive as they like (though it's hard to imagine how much worse some of them could be.)  But the rest of us are going to let woman make their own health decisions.  That if you're not pregnant - then you don't have a say in the decision about what to do from that point.  Climate Change is serious and steps need to be taken to mitigate some of the driving factors.  We're going to try to join the other industrial powers and do something about health care.  And Michelle is still the First Lady, and that's pretty cool all in itself.


Interesting to note.
Women, Blacks, Latinos and people under 30 massively rejected the Romney/conservative stuff by large margins.  It's all old angry white guys supporting that stuff, and there are not that many left.

When you wonder how the 'rape candidate did' and you have to ask 'which one' - you're in trouble.  BTW, they ALL lost.

Of the ten best educated states, all went for Obama, of the ten worst educated states, all but one went for Romney.

The 10 richest counties in the US, 8 went for Obama, 2 for Romney.  He didn't even get the rich people's vote.

Of the 8 'Swing' states that Romney had to win, in order to win - he lost seven.

The Democrats have a solid lock on several states in New England, the Midwest and on the West Coast.  (I didn't even have a Republican running for state office where I live).  That gives the Democrats a near permanent advantage where they start with 240 electoral votes.  It's going to be hard to run as a Republican, unless they radically change the direction of the party - and NO, it's NOT, more conservative - thought I think that's the way they are going to go first.

Oh yeah, Four presidents in the last century have won 50 percent of the vote twice: Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Reagan, and now Obama.
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Kevin Peña

Can't we all just get along? The President doesn't really matter if you look at all of the little power he has.
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peky

Quote from: DianaP on November 12, 2012, 08:12:08 PM
Can't we all just get along? The President doesn't really matter if you look at all of the little power he has.

The temperature in city X was a balmy 5,000 degrees this morning

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tekla

I don't think that anyone wants to get along.  There are two radically different world views, each wants a profoundly different society and culture, each has extremely different outcomes - outcomes that neither side wants to live in, or though.
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UCBerkeleyPostop

Quote from: DianaP on November 12, 2012, 08:12:08 PM
Can't we all just get along? The President doesn't really matter if you look at all of the little power he has.

As I have begged everyone who I have ever met that doesn't bother to vote, the election of the President matters very much. The president gets to pick the Supreme Court nominees. The reasons we women are losing reproductive rights and WRONG decisions such as Citizen's United are made is that conservative president picked nominees Thomas, Scalia, Roberts and Alito. One more conservative and Roe would be history and laws protecting LGBTs could even be reversed.

Quote from: Jamie D on November 06, 2012, 09:55:45 PM
The chickens haven't hatched yet.

315K votes still out in "Obama" majority counties
350K votes out in Romney majority counties.

16,000 vote difference.

This is what happens when you depend on Fox News. I checked the Florida election website and saw that Miami-Dade and Broward were out and knew that Obama had the votes.
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Kevin Peña

The senate has to approve any Supreme Court nominees. Thus, the president doesn't have the last say in the justices' nomination. The legislative branch has much more power than the president. Then again, I've always blamed partisan politics for the nation's problems. The country is split and a few people in government decide everything based on impossible divisions.

This is why Ecuador has a real democracy. If the people don't like a leader, they just kick him/her out of office, literally:laugh:
(Let me make clear that that bold statement was a joke, albeit an accurate one, so chill.)
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peky

Moderators: I think this thread has outlive its purpose, perhaps it is time to lock it out.
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Joelene9

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tekla

Very Moot.  [however, I secretly hope that Obama calls Romney every time he gets on Air Force One and says: "Hey, guess where I am."]
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