this is gonna get rough, (english speakers please show suport)

[Natkat]

The day has come which I had feared,

The Healthcare center of the danish goverment has officially said this for the current treatment of transgenders:
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"transgender people who already are in threatment can keep on there threatment with there current doctor.
(this where said cause they just had closed down a doctor with over 200 transgender patients and threatned him to stop his work. after he stopped alot of transgender people critizised them for closing him down without any fair jugment who where proved illigal. another doctor had been closed down for the same reason and a number of doctors refuse to threat or help transgender of fear for there carieas."

So people who already in threatment can get the homones they had before, (at least for now) which luckely includes me.

HOWEVER!
people who are NOT already in homone threatment, and transgenders less than 18, whatever or not in threatment, will have no other option than to go to this 1 hospital in denmark who is a sexologist clinic.
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I hardly can decribe hos much this place sucks.

it takes at least 1 year to get permission, but theres no time limit, I know people who went there for 18 years to get permission and you can get rejejcted anytime for all kinds of things, actually only 18% get accepted and the number is told to be even lower.
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The psychiatrist who works there are threating people the same way they threat folks who had done a sexual crime. They base there questions on old typical genderoles and sexualety in big details of your sexlife by asking your question such as. "how much do you mastrubate?" "where you ever raped?" "do you have sex with guys or girl?"
"if you havent have sex? then how can you know your truely transgender?" "if you had sex with your body then how can you be a transgender?"

I heard MILIONS of storys and caises and experience myself on how they threat and rejejct people from all kinds of things, and not a single person had been 100% satified. with there "threatment".

the hospital has in few words.

* Rejected people who said they where suicidal if they did not get homones
* sexually harrasm people to prove they would not feel sexually stimulation by getting there genetalia touched to be proved "a real nonsexual transgender"
* Suport a law who say that to change your gender ID or Gendername you must be Sterilized under a law about sexual criminals.
* made surgery on patients they where told to be experts on but who they in fact had made less of than 30 during 25 years.

this is just a few exemple I think you get the pictures.
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I HATE the place so much, and even when im in the safe category so far so I basically could just lift my should saying "na" not my problem . I am worried for the future of the transpeople I know. and I know this law only will cause more harm, and in worst caise I fear for the life of a few of the people I know.
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I am very poor by the moment, But I need to try figure out something I can do anyway, so It would be very great if someone could offer there suport and I would catch them up if I needed anything.

It could be cool if some english speakers could be there for suport in caise I would need anything translated, for petitions and stuff like that.

Also: it could be cool to have people from other countrys to give information. We are planning to make trips to buy homones for alot of transpeople and then people will pay themself and we will give them a scedule with advice on how often there gonna check there blod and all those things.

It could get us into trouble as it not all legal in many places, But right now I dont care so much.

Please writte if your interesteed to suport and also writte if your english native speaker or from a country who which I could travel to (or other people) could travel to to get homones.
best to be in Europa but I guess everything is wellcomed and any suport or help is cool.

Thanks.

[unknown]

I really don't care about anything any more. I could kill me, you, 10 more people. I wouldn't care. I guess inside I wouldn't kill you or for that matter anyone else. I just don't care any more. Nothing matters. NOTHING!

I feel like a zombie. I'm Schrödinger's cat. Not alive not dead. I don't know what to do. I guess I have been into self abuse for a long time now. I stopped careering for my body when I was 9 (you have one guess why) and it only when downhill from there. I have done almost anything that didn't involve sharp things.

Right now I'm just thinking about starving myself to death. Don't f***ing tell me it gets better. It does not. It does NOT. The sexologist clinic have been making money by 'treating' transpeople. Why the hell would they change. They don't care about us as human beings. They just see us as money nothing else. We are a minority anyway so It's not like we affect the votes and you can f*** with minors because they can't even vote. That's how it is: the cruel truth.

Why else would the Healthcare center of the danish goverment f*** with us up and hold their golden hand over a place that have broken enough (moral and written) laws to get sued to hell.

Let me say this again: IT DOES NOT GET BETTER. It never does in Denmark. NEVER. We have never gained a single right. We have only LOST them. So please don't say it gets better. I know you are trying to cheer me up, but it doesn't. It just makes me want to kill myself even more.

If you want to cheer me up, then show some actual support. It can be write something here, or go to Denmark and help us. Do anything but say it gets better. It's really triggering for me when I know that my whole country goes against us. Do you want to know what my mom is so sad and unhappy over that she comes to me and nearly cries about? People (I'm not sure who 'cause she don't want to tell me) say she's a bad mom because she supports me! It angers me so much.

I could commit suicide, but who would even care. I would be just another dead trans guy... No I'm a GIRL! RIght!?! RIGHT?! Well of cause not, but the nearly the whole seems to have this idea. I'm dead serious about this. People in general don't care about transpeople, but when they do they hates us.




I just don't know what to do. Frankly I doubt anyone really know what to do right now (other that the obvious one)



Guys Please help us. We need your help.

[justmeinoz]

This is total crap.  Where is the EU and it's rules? 
Sounds lame I know, but has this hit the newspapers or current affairs TV?

I am actually tempted to write to Princess Mary, she is a former Tasmanian, might get a hearing.

Karen.

[ozoozol]

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.  (And it looks like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Denmark is due for a heavy edit.)

I'm sorry, guys.  It sounds harsh.

Would a change.org petition be useful? I'm only seeing one petition there right now about trans rights in Denmark, and it's a low-signature one against forced sterilization.

[DriftingCrow]

There's also LGBT rights groups like All Out that might be helpful if they get involved.

[FTMDiaries]

Ugh, that's inhumane. What would the European Court of Human Rights have to say about this, I wonder? Could a Danish LGBT organisation mount a challenge?

Since Denmark is in the EU, is it possible for you to travel to another EU country for treatment? Do you have a reciprocal agreement for medical care like we do in the UK? It's not ideal to ask someone to leave their own country to get the help they need (especially if money is a problem), but that might be a short-term option under the circumstances.

Do you have any links to any official documentation describing these new government policies? It's difficult for anyone to help if we don't know who's responsible for this policy or how to contact them.

[Natkat]

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.  (And it looks like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Denmark is due for a heavy edit.)

I'm sorry, guys.  It sounds harsh.

Would a change.org petition be useful? I'm only seeing one petition there right now about trans rights in Denmark, and it's a low-signature one against forced sterilization.

yeah we had that a year ago, sadly we still has to be sterilized.

we already made a petition however it where in a danish site and very hard for forregians to sign even with native english translations.
So I wanna make another petition on a worldwide page and I might need some native speakers to help me out. I thought about making a petition here --> http://www.thepetitionsite.com/ as I seen they have some transgender petitions already but if you know another site it could be good.

This is total crap.  Where is the EU and it's rules? 
Sounds lame I know, but has this hit the newspapers or current affairs TV?

I am actually tempted to write to Princess Mary, she is a former Tasmanian, might get a hearing.

Karen.

Denmark only follow a few of the rules that EU had put up for transgenders. The big problem is that theres no rules in Denmark who decribes how to threat transgenders.
the rules are made up by other rules or by those selfmade rules as sexologic clinnic use. By that meaning they can flip and switch the rules pretty easly, thats why they just put down a doctor for giving homones to transgenders even when theres nowhere it says it illigal.
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I Dont think you'll get anything by writting to the danish princess, the Danish Royaty is not allowed to have political opinions to change anything.
If you should writte to someone powerfull in Denmark you should writte to the prime menister or the healthcare minister. I could probably give you mails for that.

and yeah it has been alittle up in the media, However I feel alot of the media has abused it as a "fun story thing" more than being serious. I am always sceptical for the media for whatever or not there with our agenst us depends on how much drama and money they can get.
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There's also LGBT rights groups like All Out that might be helpful if they get involved.

I once wrotte to All Out and they didnt help, but I could try again.

Ugh, that's inhumane. What would the European Court of Human Rights have to say about this, I wonder? Could a Danish LGBT organisation mount a challenge?

Since Denmark is in the EU, is it possible for you to travel to another EU country for treatment? Do you have a reciprocal agreement for medical care like we do in the UK? It's not ideal to ask someone to leave their own country to get the help they need (especially if money is a problem), but that might be a short-term option under the circumstances.

I think they already have cririzism Denmark but im not sure I just heard some people who had been working with this mention it. I think a big problem is alot of it are unknowed and unreported knowlegde, many transgender cant or dont want to report anything. they are scared if they talk agenst the system then they will get refused so its kinda like a dobblelife and always thinking about what you say to who and when, and considering your own risk. like "maybe we should just do what they say and not struggle and then we will get into less trouble" this kind of politic who also makes activism abit hard.

Well there is people working on it, The danish GLBT + some other transgroups had put there work into this + voluntery activism people. But its still very difficult and im very disapointed how they can come to this conclusion by the people who worked for it (sure there as well)
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I am unsure what "reciprocal agreement for medical care" is meant like in my caise. But yeah alot of people already travel abourd for surgery or getting permission, so its already happening.
I could travel abourd (even when its probably gonna be illigal as I might not be able to leave the country soon(due to some stupid laws who a bit complicated to decribe)
I have considered to travel abourd or make trips options, so thats what im working on as alternatives, but not really for myself. Im rather lucky as im already in threatment and im 18+ (and even if they should forbid me I still got homones to a year in the future. )

I will admit it would be way more easy to just go, but now when I know im pretty safe myself I will do my best to change these facts for other people.
due to personal thing of my everyday life I cant and dont want to travel. I simple feel it would be cowardly to run away for resposibilaty just like that.
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Its a bit hard to bring document in english. but give me some time.

[AdamMLP]

As I said before I'll do anything I can do to help you guys. 

[Sia]

Jesus Christ this is awful, I'm so sorry for you guys.

I am very poor by the moment, But I need to try figure out something I can do anyway, so It would be very great if someone could offer there suport and I would catch them up if I needed anything.

It could be cool if some english speakers could be there for suport in caise I would need anything translated, for petitions and stuff like that.

Also: it could be cool to have people from other countrys to give information. We are planning to make trips to buy homones for alot of transpeople and then people will pay themself and we will give them a scedule with advice on how often there gonna check there blod and all those things.

It could get us into trouble as it not all legal in many places, But right now I dont care so much.

Please writte if your interesteed to suport and also writte if your english native speaker or from a country who which I could travel to (or other people) could travel to to get homones.
best to be in Europa but I guess everything is wellcomed and any suport or help is cool.

Thanks.

I'm relatively fluent in English, but I don't speak a word of danish    If you could send me translations of these law texts (even if it's not in perfect english, like yours), I could try to rewrite them more clearly so that you can post them on big petition websites (there's change.org, Avaaz and AllOut that I know of). If you want to send emails to these websites or EU organizations (like the European Court of Human Rights maybe) I could help you write them too.

As for getting hormones in other countries - here in France transsexualism is no longer classified as a mental disorder, so anyone can go to a doctor and ask them for hormones without a letter from a psy or some sort of medical "proof". Of course that's just in theory, I'm not on hormones yet and they're pretty low on my list of priorities for transition so I haven't really dug that deep into how easy or hard it is to actually get them.

If some of you are really going to come buy hormones in other countries, I'm willing to ask around about laws, trans-friendly doctors recommendations and all that, and send you the informations I got. If you then decide to come in France I can write or translate (from english) letters in french and send them to those doctors for people who want to go see them, or even accompany people to the doctor office to translate if that is close to where I live (don't have much money for travelling all over the country). I'll try to find out if there are good doctors around the area that you guys could go to.

If you're interested I can send you my email address and tell you where I live in private message.

[Natkat]

As I said before I'll do anything I can do to help you guys.

I am very happy for your suport, ^^
thanks

Do you have any links to any official documentation describing these new government policies? It's difficult for anyone to help if we don't know who's responsible for this policy or how to contact them.

its been a bit difficult to post documentations as its pretty much all in danish but I will try.
the whole thing started as a co-worker from TGEU (transgender europa) posted a message on the wall saying:

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More and more highly worrying signals from Norway and Denmark where the national health authorities propose to limit the access to hormone therapy for trans* and gender variant people. Sweden has decided that prescribing hormones to trans* is only legal if done with a permission from the Government run Gender Teams, who do have a monopoly on all form of trans* related health care. The effect is that the vast majority of trans* people do access hormones either through the internet or the black market the brave few doctors who still adhere to "Do No Harm".

Now signals are coming from Denmark as well as Norway that the national health authorities plan to make it illegal for doctors to prescribe hormones to trans* people who are not diagnosed as "Genuine/True Transsexuals" by the the highly reactionary and strictly psychopathologising gender teams. This means that a doctor can, like in Sweden risk being struck off if found out bypassing the psychiatrists at the two government approved teams in Oslo and Copenhagen. And like in Sweden the use of un-monitored self medication by black market and internet hormones will be the rue of the day.

Seems that none of the Gatekeepers in Sweden, Denmark and Norway ever heard of the WPATH Standards of Care!"

Before that there had been rumours of certain doctors closing down, and the first did a few times after this where posted, and the second one some week after wrotted on his page that he no longer could take in patients due to danish health-system called "sundhedstyrelsen in danish:

some of the GLBT organisations had fought agenst this unfairness, but alot of work had also been on confussion as many people did not belive this could actually happent and didnt want to make a drama.

few days ago they officianally got out with document from there homepage.
http://www.sst.dk/Nyhedscenter/Nyheder/2012/Behandling%20af%20transseksuelle.aspx <-- orginal from sundhedstyrelsen "danish health system"
http://i47.tinypic.com/11wd3pv.png <-- with help from google translate
they say they want transexuals to have good threatment so they only want "profecionels" to deal with them doing a "profecional job" which would had been good if Sexologisk clinic actually WHERE that profecionel.

Beside personal knowlegde and from people I know, there a page who is called WIMBS(women in male bodys) which made a critical analyse + files about real life experience on Sexologic clinic, it so far the biggest provement there is agenst the system.
http://www.wimbs.org/?vm=17319 (it dose not exist in english but you can try with google translate if your really want to know some parts or I could translate it.)

[Natkat]

Jesus Christ this is awful, I'm so sorry for you guys.

I'm relatively fluent in English, but I don't speak a word of danish    If you could send me translations of these law texts (even if it's not in perfect english, like yours), I could try to rewrite them more clearly so that you can post them on big petition websites (there's change.org, Avaaz and AllOut that I know of). If you want to send emails to these websites or EU organizations (like the European Court of Human Rights maybe) I could help you write them too.

As for getting hormones in other countries - here in France transsexualism is no longer classified as a mental disorder, so anyone can go to a doctor and ask them for hormones without a letter from a psy or some sort of medical "proof". Of course that's just in theory, I'm not on hormones yet and they're pretty low on my list of priorities for transition so I haven't really dug that deep into how easy or hard it is to actually get them.

If some of you are really going to come buy hormones in other countries, I'm willing to ask around about laws, trans-friendly doctors recommendations and all that, and send you the informations I got. If you then decide to come in France I can write or translate (from english) letters in french and send them to those doctors for people who want to go see them, or even accompany people to the doctor office to translate if that is close to where I live (don't have much money for travelling all over the country). I'll try to find out if there are good doctors around the area that you guys could go to.

If you're interested I can send you my email address and tell you where I live in private message.

I just put up a link, I think it will take some time before the law is all 100% in use.
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Actually I had considered france. But so far I only checked the options for Denmark, Sweden, and Norway.
Germany sound great to live but will demand a psyciatrist precription or something. so it could be difficult, and Spain is heck of far away.

France is realetive closeby, so its cool to get information and so about it.
you should be more than wellcome to send your email.

[FTMDiaries]

Language may be a problem too, if you don't speak German, Spanish, French etc. But you have enough English to make yourself understood, so have you thought of trying the UK?

A 'reciprocal agreement for medical care': your government and my government both have a healthcare system paid for by taxes. EU citizens are entitled to medical care in other EU countries that is paid for in the same way as in their home country. The other country claims the money for it from your government's healthcare system.

There are three ways to claim medical treatment in another EU country. The details below are in English as they're from the British NHS, but you might want to look up your local equivalent:

The European Health Insurance Card (for emergency treatment only): http://www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/Healthcareabroad/EHIC/Pages/about-the-ehic.aspx

The S2 or E112 Route (for longer-term health care): http://www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/Healthcareabroad/plannedtreatment/Pages/TheE112.aspx

The EU Directive on Cross-Border Healthcare: http://www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/Healthcareabroad/plannedtreatment/Pages/Article56.aspx

By the way, this is what UK citizens can get if we travel to Denmark, to show you that our countries have an agreement: http://www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/Healthcareabroad/countryguide/Pages/healthcareinDenmark.aspx

The treatment you seek in another EU country has to be available in your home country, and it is available in Denmark. Even if it is only sub-standard care at that clinic, the fact remains that it is available. So you should be able to ask for it in another EU country where they have at least heard of WPATH.

[Natkat]

Language may be a problem too, if you don't speak German, Spanish, French etc. But you have enough English to make yourself understood, so have you thought of trying the UK?

The treatment you seek in another EU country has to be available in your home country, and it is available in Denmark. Even if it is only sub-standard care at that clinic, the fact remains that it is available. So you should be able to ask for it in another EU country where they have at least heard of WPATH.

I dont worry to much about languarges, I know around 6 diffrent languarges and most danish people know at least 3 languarges.
People who speaks; English, Germany, France and Spanish are pretty easy to find. (Norwegian and Swedish is no problem as it very close related to danish)
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I have considered UK but the problem with UK is as far as I remember your to have a prescription from a Gender therapist to get homones.
We Dont have that, the only Gender therapist dealing with transgenders are SK so it dosent help much. so due to that I think it could get rather difficult, I have heard exemples (not in UK but Belgium) of people getting refused threatment cause they needed a letter from a Gender therapist which only SK could give and had refused.

I am not seaching for threatment Im just seaching a place where it would be easy to get homones, and then while getting back to Denmark people could get a program to check there health such as blood test and so on. theres no rules that doctors cant do that so you would have to find a doctor who would be okay with helping you out with this.