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Started by Jeanette Marie, November 30, 2012, 12:18:56 AM

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Jeanette Marie

First of all, I want to thank Cindy for the kind and warm opening to this site. It's nice to feel there is a place where I may express my thoughts and feelings.

I am VERY VERY new to the forum concept and have rejected it for many years. But, I feel it may be the only place to express myself and feel safe.  I do like changing my mind and seeing a new way to live life.

About me: I am a stable professional, single parent, friend, son, volunteer, coworker yadda yadda yadda. I have a really good outward appearance of someone who works hard, cares for his family and lives a "NORMAL" life.  But, inside I struggle to understand my thoughts and feelings. I don't feel normal anymore. To me, normal is accepting and understanding myself.

I am at the cusp of another reinvention of myself. Something I have done many times, as most people do throughout their lives. This time, it has a sexuality / relationship component I'm not prepared for and not sure how to handle. More than anything, I don't know where to turn to ask questions, listen (or read) to what others have to say or have been through.

Like everyone, I hate to be labeled. But I have come to the realization that I am truly different than most of my friends and family. This leaves me feeling isolated and a bit confused. Who do I talk to? How would I even broach the topic with someone?
Am I strange? Am I bad or wrong for having the thoughts and feeling I have? I don't mind being different. I just don't know what to do next or how to act on my thoughts, feelings and attractions.

I think, but I'm not sure, I may be questioning either my sexuality or who I may choose to partner with. I'm don't know what to do with this feeling. I've heard from others I "need a good counselor". I'm not ready for that yet. I need information. I need to connect with others.

Is it even appropriate to introduce such a topic, like this?

I'm rather confused..

Some guidance would be much appreciated.


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Ms. OBrien CVT

Hi quietnightlover, :icon_wave:

Welcome to our little family. Over 9122 strong. That would be one heck of a family reunion.

Feel free to post your successes/failures, Hopes/dreams.  Ask questions and seek answers. Give and receive advice.

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Well when it comes to gender/sexuality issues, a good gender therapist is a great place to start.  Also for gender issues, cross-dressing can also be a start.  Sexuality can be explored by find those you think you are like.

  
It does not take courage or bravery to change your gender.  It takes fear of living one more day in the wrong one.~me
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Rowan Rue

Hi quietnightlover,
a little more information would be helpful.  Just what ais it that you're feeling about yourself makes you think you're "different"?
Do you suspect you're gay? Transexual? asexual?
There's a great big ocean of "not normal" here so you're going to have to give us more to go on if you want some advice ;)
Fear not though, there is a wealth of support and advice here for you and as much as no one likes to label themselves I encourage you to take the plunge and do just that.  It's only a starting point to open up a conversation and no one expects you to get it right first time.
Give us a rough draft and let the editing begin!





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Jamie D

Hello, quietnightlover.  Welcome from southern California.

I guess my first question to you would be, "What's normal?"  Normal in terms of societal expectations?  Normal in terms the scope of human biology, or psychology?  Normal in terms of the statistical distribution of GLBTQ person in any given population?  Or just normal in terms of the way you have conducted your life up to this time?

You correctly point out that we all continue to grow and change ("reinvent").  Perhaps what you are thinking about or considering is just a "normal" part of growing.
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Devlyn

Hi Quietnightlover, welcome from Boston! Glad you found us. Just hang out and take it all in, there's a lot to be learned here with us. Hugs, Devlyn
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Jeanette Marie

#5
First of all, I want to thank Devlyn, Jamie, Rowan & Ms. OBrien for the warm welcomes and the thoughtful replies.  I've taken these past couple of days to read through your replies, think about them and what these meant to me. I wanted my next correspondence to be as concise and honest as possible. It's hard to answer a question when one is confused about the question.

I hope this reply answers your questions and clarifies my questions too.

I think I will adopt the role of a quiet reader. I need to read more than I post. I need to learn from others and I need to learn about the feelings I rarely let out. Thank you, Devlyn.

Jamie, Your questions really gave me something to think about and I have..  I think the "Normal" I referred to was more societal than anything, but some personal too.
From the outside, I am seen as the normal single dad who works two jobs and cares for his kids. Most think I don't date or partner because of me parental obligations and the workload I carry. Mostly, this is true. I also don't connect with people easily and therefore keep myself isolated. I'm not depressed or anything like that. I like my privacy and I like being by myself. When I do date, I don't feel this deep inner connection that I long for.
Jamie, maybe you are right! Maybe I am just reinventing myself again.  Let me tell you a short story and this may help define my "Normal" dilemma.

I've been with two TG/TS women (one pre-op, the other post) throughout my life. One had a sexual component, the other, currently, does not. BUT>>>>>I felt something I've never felt before. It felt really good, exciting, comforting and deep. I felt completely accepted, like I didn't have to hold anything back. The only part of these relationships is the stability factor. One was alcoholic and the other is struggling to rebuild her life. 

THIS IS MY ISSUE...  I loved the attraction, I loved how I felt inside, but I also wanted stability in my partner and in the relationship. I've been (as we all have) in relationships where stability creates problems.  I can't go there again.

I'm not sure how to process this.  Am I wrong for wanting to explore a relationship with a stable TG/TS woman? When I verbalize this desire it feels like I am labeling my desire and it feels wrong.    I have discovered this is an emotional question / issue for me. I'm deeply lonely crave a connection. I can hide it, as I always do, but I'm tired of doing so.

Rowan & Ms. OBrien,  Thank you for the encouragement to just lay it out there and mold it as I go.  The only thing I hate about doing this is that I start getting emotional everytime I look deep and allow myself to think about this.

I hope this is a good start for myself. It is directly from my heart....no doubt there.

My best to all,

QNL


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Devlyn

OK, quiet reader type, we'll issue you a Susan's Place library card! Jump in anytime you feel like it, hugs, Devlyn
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gennee

Welcome, Quiet Reader. I had similar thoughts that you are currently having. I thought that I was weird for wanting to be a woman. It was weeks later that I discovered that I am. I took the risk of being ridiculed, thought of as strange, and just plain nuts. Looking back, I'm happy that I took the chance. Ask any question that you have. I spent hours researching and reading about myself and my feelings. If you can keep a diary or notebook and record your thoughts and feelings. I began a blog and it has helped out tremendously. Embrace every experience that may come your way. 


:)
Be who you are.
Make a difference by being a difference.   :)

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Jeanette Marie

#8
Thank you Gennee.

I truly appreciate the kind comments and reassurance. I am trying my best to embrace the journey because I want to feel whole. I have discovered that I do have a good ability to compartmentalize my feelings, stuff them down and deal with them as I have the time to do so. It seems to be on Sunday. It's the only day during the week that I don't work and stay home to recharge. What I also find interesting is how emotional I have become. I've always been a sensitive person, but lately I feel weepy at so many things. At this point I've decided to take it all in and let things take their own course. I'm also making an effort to be extra kind to people. It's important that " I see the person". When I do this, my experience is so much richer.

In short, I'm transitioning to a new me and I trust the universe with the result. Feeling whole, genuine and authentic is my goal. I want to feel and love that way every day of my life.

Finally, I really love this site and it's members. I feel so comfortable and accepted. Bless you all.



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Catherine Sarah

Hi quietnightlover,

A big Aussie welcome to Susan's family. It's good of you to drop in and say "Hi". Hope you like it here, and you stay for a while.

There is a mountain of information, resources and friendship waiting for you here, you just need to jump in start talking and ask any question you like. You're quite safe here and we are very accepting.

In answer to your questions
Quote from: quietnightlover on November 30, 2012, 12:18:56 AM
1.) Who do I talk to?
2.) How would I even broach the topic with someone?
3.) Am I strange?
4.) Am I bad or wrong for having the thoughts and feeling I have?

A1.) Although it's been mentioned before and you have rejected it; a professional gender therapist.
A2.) By simply stating exactly what you've stated here.
A3.) Absolutely NOT!!!  Incredibly normal, if anything.
A4.) Again, absolutely NOT !!!

Quote from: quietnightlover on November 30, 2012, 12:18:56 AMI've heard from others I "need a good counselor". I'm not ready for that yet..
I'm interested in knowing the real reason why you're not ready. Everything you've said prior, indicates you are.

By way of example; I could waste an inordinate amount of time talking to our electronic engineers at work, about the appropriate mechanical needs of our fleet of vehicles. In preference to asking our mechanical service agent. I know who would give me the most accurate and concise information first up.

Quote from: quietnightlover on November 30, 2012, 12:18:56 AM
Some guidance would be much appreciated.
As requested.

Looking forward to hearing more of your story in time to come, but in the meantime, be safe, well and happy.

Lotsa huggs
Catherine




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Jeanette Marie

Thank you Catherine. Those are some mighty wise words and I will listen.

I do know this: I am questioning my sexual preferences and those I am attracted to. There is one Woman I find myself quite attracted to. She is non-op and beautiful and I am so curious about her. My question is: does my interest in her make me bi-curious? I feel I would be very willing to explore with her if the chemistry was there and as long as I felt I could trust her. Trust is such a huge issue for me.

I am afraid to contact her because I don't know what to say and I'm afraid I would come off as an idiot. I realize I'm lonely and longing for a place I feel safe and whole and connected with someone..


Arrgh,  I do need to find a good counselor.


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Jeanette Marie

I love to witness and experience the chemistry between people. It can be for good or bad, for love or hate, to build or destroy. Over my life, I've seen all of it, as most people have and I choose to participate in the good, the love and to build.

I will speak the truth, even if it's uncomfortable.
I will acknowledge my faults, even when its painful or embarrassing.
I will try to love, even when it's frightening.
Live true.... The greatest phrase I've learned here.....


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Cindy

Hi again QL,

Good to see you found some of the gang.

The more you talk to other TG people the more comfortable you will get both in self acceptance and understanding and increasingly the knowledge that TG people are totally and utterly normal. Well with some exceptions, Cathrine, JamieD and Devlynn are of course exceptions but we just humour them and put them back in their cells at feeding time. But don't tell them I said that.

Are your feelings of interest in a TG woman a sign of being bi-curious, and interesting question that has many answers, particularly when you meet us. My sexual preference is for men. Since I'm a female that makes me heterosexual. When I had to live pretending to be a guy did that make me Gay? I haven't had the op as yet so I still carry tumours and a pipe. They don't work thank goddess due to hormones but they are still there, so if I fancied females would that make me a lesbian or make me straight?

Which raises the next question. Who cares? I certainly don't.

The area that I can add to your confusion with is gender, sex and the law. In many places MtF are regarded as males, even though they are female, present as female and act female. What happens when they marry? In many places same sex marriage is not allowed;  Soooo who can a MtF marry? a male or a female?  This of course gets more confusing when you move around the world.

I'm Australian (to the cries of thank goddess she is over the pond from my Yankee sisters) where same sex marriage is not allowed, at the moment.  I have been married for over 30 years. I love my wife and she loves me. As soon as I get my surgery we are automatically divorced. Because same sex marriage is not allowed. So why was the marriage legal before? I can't, couldn't and haven't had male-female penetrative sex.  Even when I was not on hormones and the pipe and tumours could work. So when they are removed I'm different?

So we get back to what is normal.

As you see it is not a very easy question to answer, so everyone is normal or no one is normal.

Which of course means you are normal because you don't know if you are nomal or not.

Glad I cleared that up for you :laugh:

Where do we take our feelings and what do we do about them?

The biggest problem with being TG is that it never goes away. The number of woman who have tried every sort of utter masculine jobs and hobbies to cure their TG is staggering, and a total waste of time. As many of us know to our cost, and as we keep finding here with people joining.

Why do we do this?

Well one we can't or couldn't accept that we are normal. Another is the consequence of accepting our selves.

What and why is that?

What is the consequence of accepting ourselves? We can list them. Usually people start with'I will lose' and then fill in family, friends, career, respect, money, pets, the budgie, driving a car, going to the footy, sorry getting silly as usual.

People very rarely start with 'I will gain' then fill in myself, self respect, a career, friends, waking up and looking forward to a life, not thinking of strange ways to kill yourself so the family can still get the life insurance, wearing clothes I like, being who I am and not worrying about slipping up, the respect of others, love. BEING ME.

(BTW this is what a therapist guides you through, I'll send my bill later. )

Why do we think the worst and not the best. Fear. Plain cold startling mind numbing FEAR.

Why? Because we may not be regarded as normal.

See above.

What happens when we go the other way and accept ourselves and go for it?

Well I suppose I have been one of the major procrastinators on this site as far as going FT. If I could find an excuse I used it.

My fantastic friends here helped me and built my soul so that in the end I could grow and move on.

What happened. Ahmmmm (cough) nothing.

It was a none event.

No one gave a damn, if they did they made sure not to let me know, and very very quickly there were a lot of people  who made very sure that people who couldn't cope or thought of funny jokes or good insults were taught to be accepting.

Again I didn't and don't care.

What have I lost? Well all my male clothing has been donated to Goodwill. I don't use the totally disgusting male toilets. I don't have to shave my face. I can't think of much else.

What have I gained? A life, respect both self and from others, love, support, laughs and good times, friends, a new wardrobe that is ever expanding (sorry put a loss of money in the paragraph above),  self confidence, increased work ethic, the ability to lead and command respect without consciously doing anything different, guys opening doors for me :laugh:, sleep and dreams.

Happiness. Contentment.

Would I go back if I could?

No way.

I wasn't going to have surgery. I'm counting down the days until I can apply.

So where do you go from here?

Nowhere; hang around, post, read, tell bad jokes, get used to being happy and being accepted, when you feel bad tell us, when you feel good tell us, when the dark dreams roll in and the bottle is the answer tell us. when ending it all seems a good idea tell us.

You now have a big problem. You have a family that understands and has no problems in accepting you.

We have all been there.

Thankfully my brothers and sisters dragged me back.

Hugs

Cindy
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Catherine Sarah

#13
Hi quietnightlover,

* Catherine releasing herself from her cell after stealing the keys from that somewhat "wordy" South Oz shelia *

Quote from: quietnightlover on December 05, 2012, 10:58:58 PM
My question is: does my interest in her make me bi-curious?

In answer to your question, it primarily depends on how you perceive yourself. Are you predominantly man or woman, or somewhere along the way.

Furthermore, how important is it for you to know whether you are or not. As Annah so rightfully said, "Labels are for candy jars"

I tend to believe here are far greater things to determine first, along this journey, before considering sexual preferences. Just taking he advent of undertaking HRT for a start. Once. that is commenced, all previous bets are off. It's a brand new ball game.

Perhaps may be useful to sort your inner being out first before you take on anything else.

Keep up he good job you are doing.

Huggs
Catherine




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Jeanette Marie

#14
Cindy & Catherine,

I have never been so humbled and respected. Thank you. Both of you have presented some information that requires much thought and soul searching. I will do this. I will present my thoughts and feeling and see where it leads me.  I don't know much right now, but I do know I'm not so worried about the acceptance of others right now as I am of myself.

Right now, I'm off to the movies with a friend. I feel comfortable and accepted around her.


More later....I have some thinking to do.


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Jeanette Marie

Labels are for candy jars.

Yes! Yes, they are.


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Devlyn

Cindy, you must introduce me to your friends Cathrine and Devlynn, they both sound like charmers! Hugs, Devlyn
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Cindy

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on December 07, 2012, 07:41:30 PM
Cindy, you must introduce me to your friends Cathrine and Devlynn, they both sound like charmers! Hugs, Devlyn

Yes I'm particularly fond of them :laugh:
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Jeanette Marie

#18
Back from the movie and my head is buzzing. I've decided I don't want to go to the movies with my friend....let's call her "J". The movie was fine, but after I realized I wanted time to connect vs sitting in a theatre. I really like J. She is so open, honest and direct about the path her life has taken and I find myself lost in the moments of our chats.

I've tried to digest Cindy's post and it's too huge for me to tackle in one reply. I will address it as the thoughts come and when I feel strongly about something.

I've given some thought (although it requires much more) to the notion of "normalcy". I like the idea that we are all normal and abnormal. I've never had a problem being different. I've been different all my life and have liked it most of the time. I think I am questioning my attraction to TG women. That's one issue, Cindy. You hit the nail on the head. If I am attracted to a TG woman with the old plumbing still in tact, does that make me bi-curious. I don't find a mans body the slightest bit attractive, but I do have an attraction to TG.

So, yes, I'm questioning if I'm bi-curious or not and it bothers me.  And, to top it off....I'm bothered that I'm bothered... 

I want this experience.....I honestly do. I think about it a lot. BUT, like any other experience, it needs to be with the right person....I must feel safe & secure. This is not a hookup...

I am researching therapists. I do follow good advice from good people....

I like to state it and I will again.  Thank you all. You are my kind of people.

More later,

QNL


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Catherine Sarah

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on December 07, 2012, 07:41:30 PM
Cindy, you must introduce me to your friends Cathrine and Devlynn, they both sound like charmers! Hugs, Devlyn


Catherine is the one that likes:





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