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Spironolactone Questions and Concerns

Started by jessicasglove, February 04, 2013, 11:22:14 PM

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jessicasglove

Decided to delete; too many issues...
Sorry everyone for causing a problem within the community
Sincerely,
Jessica
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Catherine Sarah

Hi jessica,

You're quite right. You shouldn't self medicate. There is just NO excuse to self medicate. Your body is much more important than that. Neither I or anyone else here could not give you the slightest idea of how it's going to affect you. That's why medical professionals require blood tests

And it is a Terms of Service, quantities are not mentioned.

Please. You are worth more than the cost of a medical professional to guide through this labyrinth of disaster.

Be safe, well and happy
Lotsa huggs
Catherine




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crazy at the coast

Aside from the whole don't be self medding thing and that you shouldn't post dosages on here, take into account that the article you linked to is on a site that sells herbal feminization products. Also, if you look at the first site the article links to, it does say that there are uses not listed there that spiro is prescribed for. A number of medicines have primary uses, but then they can also have other uses as well. 


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jessicasglove

I did not realize that quantities was in the Terms of Service; sorry... I have not been here for so long I did not remember.... Sorry about that
Sincerely,
Jessica
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SonadoraXVX

Yup, if you question what your doing, you really have no business doing DIY, since well, you don't know your general overal health baseline(ie.your age, your labs, your medical history, your mental/physical health status, et al.) and don't really know the in and outs of the medication your taking, the history of it and dosages I dare say, with that said, you may just want to consult a professional medical provider.

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jessicasglove

I have studied medicine, and I do know a great deal about medical stuff; furthermore, I have studied both these meds but with my extreme anxiety when I read articles that makes my mind think too much I get fearful and I do like to get inputs from others... About the dosages and stuff; I edit my message...
Sincerely,
Jessica
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Tammy M

You should never self medicate!  Having said that I beleive you may have read some misleading information regarding Spironolactone.  To answer your first three questions, Yes spiro can and does lower T in most transsexuals.  It is the most commonly prescribed anti androgen in the USA and the vast majority of doctors prescribing trans HRT include spiro in the regimen.  There is misleading information out there, particularly on one internet "group" devoted to those self medicating on hormones, that tries to steer people away from using spiro by saying it is not nessesary or ineffective.  I don't know if they do this out of malice, ignorance or in an attempt to prevent self prescribing people from hurting themselves.

My personal experience is that I self medicated with spiro alone (no estrogen) for about 2.5 months before I saw a doctor and got HRT prescriptions.  My T was slightly below the lowest level of male range (242) when it was tested pre HRT.  I was then prescribed a starting dose of Estrogen patches and Spiro pills and 2 months later my T was in the low female range (11).  It has not risen up past the low teens since and I continue to take spiro.

I must caution you that self prescribing any medication is dangerous and Spiro is certainly no exception.  It is a potassium sparing diuretic and also lowers blood pressure.  Doctors closely monitor patients using this drug for blood pressure, electrolytes, sodium as well as kidney and liver function.  If you use Spiro without getting these tests and being monitored by medical prefessionals you are taking big chances.  If you must do so, lower doses would be wise.

When taking spiro make sure that you stay hydrated and stay away from foods containing potassium.  My doctor told me if I become dehyrated and had too much potassium in my system on this drug I can die.  Foods like potatoes, tomatoes, oranges and bananas are high in potassium. 

Saw Palmetto is a natural herb that can reduce testosterone.  Also, one can find natural herbs like PM that add estrogen.  These are not bad to take for a period while one waits to go through the process of being diagnosed and seeing a doctor for HRT. 

Any drug can show up in drug tests but know that spiro is prescribed as a blood pressure medication and a diuretic.  I have a dog with fluid issues that is prescribed spiro as a diuretic and my father has been prescribed this drug for blood pressure in the past.  It is not a controlled substance.  It is widely prescribed for transsexuals, quite effective for reducing testosterone and dangerous.  Good luck!
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Heather

I'm not trying to jump on you. But these drugs are nothing to be fooling around without a doctor overseeing it. Are you trying to destroy your liver? Take my advice get yourself an endo! It may cost more but its better than the alternative. Because where are going to get a new liver at?
Quote from: jessicasglove on February 04, 2013, 11:51:03 PM
I have studied medicine, and I do know a great deal about medical stuff; furthermore, I have studied both these meds but with my extreme anxiety when I read articles that makes my mind think too much I get fearful and I do like to get inputs from others... About the dosages and stuff; I edit my message...
Are you a doctor just cause you read something on the internet doesn't make an endocrinologist! :eusa_think:
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jessicasglove

Wow, I did not realize I would be jumped all over; I should just delete my post... As for studying medicine for a while; it was in a college environment and also many – many – many medical books; not the Internet...
Sincerely,
Jessica
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Catherine Sarah

HI Jessica,

May I suggest. If you have studied medicine, which is more than most here have done. You them order your own blood tests and apply your regime according to the appropriate results.

Most here don't self medicate. It's far too risky a business. Major organ failure or damage is far too dangerous to contemplate.

I'm still perplexed about someone who has studied medicine to ask those who haven't; a series of unusual questions about a harmful substance. Would you not consult former student/tutors for a more accurate answer.?

I can only tell you of my experience with Spiro, and that by no means would be of any use to anyone. That I can guarantee

Be safe, well and happy.

Lotsa huggs
Catherine




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Heather

Quote from: jessicasglove on February 05, 2013, 12:03:20 AM
Wow, I did not realize I would be jumped all over; I should just delete my post... As for studying medicine for a while; it was in a college environment and also many – many – many medical books; not the Internet...
I'm not trying to jump on you. I just don't want you killing yourself!
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jessicasglove

Okay fine, I worded it wrong I guess; I am looking for experience and what others have come across I guess... I would ask past students but not coming out to them just yet (own personal reasons)
Sincerely,
Jessica
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jessicasglove

Thank you for all your advice; and Heather, I get what you are trying to say and I do seriously thank you for your concern but just it seems like I am getting attacked by others about these questions... I think I will remove my post since so I do not get any more comments; sorry for asking people things and I will make sure I will never ask anything on here again...
Sincerely,
Jessica
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Heather

Quote from: jessicasglove on February 05, 2013, 12:07:55 AM
Okay fine, I worded it wrong I guess; I am looking for experience and what others have come across I guess... I would ask past students but not coming out to them just yet (own personal reasons)
I really don't want you to think I'm picking on you. but these drugs have so many side effects you don't no how it effect you. I'm just saying the risk is greater than the cost of these drugs.
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Cindy

Well I'm a pathologist, and I don't self medicate.

I suppose that after 30 odd years of study I realise that my endocrinologist probably knows a little more about endocrinology than I do.

The again my endocrinologist seems very happy to leave treating haematological disorders to me for some reason.

All of the drugs used in HRT and as androgen blocks have potential lethal side effects.

As one of our members has posted, blood clots can develop very quickly with little or no warning and can have devastating effects.  Even if they leave little physical damage they will prevent you from continuing with hormonal therapy.

Damage to the liver can also occur very rapidly, with few warning signs until the damage is possibly permanent.

In my case my estrogen levels went ballistic for no reason and remained at extreme values for some time.  If my medical team had not been aware I could have very easily suffered long term side effects.

I know many people who 'have studied medicine'; all of my medical colleagues in fact! And self medication for any but the most trivial reason is not a common occurrence among any of them.

Please be safe.
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jessicasglove

Heather, I completely understand and I do appreciate your advice; thank you, just others seem to pushed a bit harder that made me feel attacked so I am sorry....

Cindy, thank you for your advice :)
Sincerely,
Jessica
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Heather

Quote from: jessicasglove on February 05, 2013, 12:14:20 AM
Thank you for all your advice; and Heather, I get what you are trying to say and I do seriously thank you for your concern but just it seems like I am getting attacked by others about these questions... I think I will remove my post since so I do not get any more comments; sorry for asking people things and I will make sure I will never ask anything on here again...
I don't want you to be afraid to ask questions. Like I said I not trying to pick on you I'm just trying to give you the best advice I can to try an help you I don't want to lead you in the wrong direction. Please don't be afraid to post here again.
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Devlyn

Quote from: jessicasglove on February 05, 2013, 12:14:20 AM
Thank you for all your advice; and Heather, I get what you are trying to say and I do seriously thank you for your concern but just it seems like I am getting attacked by others about these questions... I think I will remove my post since so I do not get any more comments; sorry for asking people things and I will make sure I will never ask anything on here again...

That's pretty immature. You broke one of the site rules, why not admit that you made a mistake rather than shut down? Every person in this thread tried to help someone, if not you, then they were helping someone else who might have decided your dosages sound good and poisoned themselves. Our rules are in place to protect our members and guests.  Hugs, Devlyn
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jessicasglove

@Devlyn - Okay, first off; I did not realize this site had dosage rules, and that is not why I shut this post down; I shut this post down because it seemed that I got attacked by many here and not the helping suggestions that I seem to though this community was about. Once Catherine made me aware of the dosage rule, I went back and edit my post to remove the dosage and I even said sorry about that, and explained that I was not aware of this since I have not been on this forum for such a long time. The true reason why I removed my full post was because I felt attacked; I understand there is a sense of helping behind their message but it just did not seem like it was that helpful suggestion that I though our community would have. I understand the worry, I truly do understand; just there are ways to say stuff without sounding as if you are attacking the person in a way as like you are saying, "you stupid idiot, why you doing that..." I am not saying everyone on this thread did this but it seemed that many did and I did not want more to take that same respond and act as if they were attacking me for my choices. I did not remove it by being immaturity, I removed it so I did not have to get more grief from people and make my already hard life harder from getting crap from the community that I felt that I should be getting kindness from... Furthermore, even if certain people did not mean their post as attacking; well, it really did feel as if I was being attacked, when I was just asking for suggestions, advice, and really what others have experienced in their transition.
Sincerely,
Jessica
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Devlyn

Thanks for the explanation, hon, although you agreed to abide by the TOS when you signed up. This is one of the items you agreed to:

19. By accessing this web site you indicate your legal agreement with the items in our terms of service. Continued access by you to this web site is to be considered updating an electronic signature indicating your agreement. If you do not agree with the terms of these terms you must leave this site and not return. Failure to read or keep your self updated on the terms of service does not exempt you from said agreement.

We are here to offer support, there should be no question of that. Hugs, Devlyn
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