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The Absence of Leash Laws

Started by LearnedHand, March 03, 2013, 12:36:11 PM

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DriftingCrow

Argh!

I live in a "rural" area and everyone here seems to be completely ignorant that there's other people on the face of this planet. Everyone here just lets their dogs run around without being on a leash or being fenced in. People move here and say "oh, this is the country, I can do whatever I want".  ::) It's really annoying, because it's really just a suburb but with a ton of trees and you're allowed to have farm animals. When you can see your neighbor's house from your house, you're not in the country imho.

I am basically limited to bringing my dog for a "walk" in our driveway because if I take a left out of my driveway a big fat doggie runs up and starts barking at us, and my dog hates other dogs so I have to pick her up, hold my hand over her muzzle to keep her quite, and go back into our driveway while this dog is glaring and growling at us. If I take a right out of the driveway, I have a really really angry and territorial dog to deal with, once I almost had to pick up a big rock and throw it at her but luckily the owners finally came outside and took her away, then if I head further up that way, there's two retrievers to deal with, while they're all super friendly if I am alone, they're not friendly with my dog.

Then, even further up the road there's this other dog who once came out and terrorized my dog, my baby niece in the stroller, and myself I had to keep kicking the dog in the face to stop it from biting us as my puppy is screaming like a human and the baby giving me this "wtf? I am going to cry in a minute or so" look; someone had to pull over and help get the dog away. I've had problems with it coming out and chasing me and my dog before, and the owners are full aware of this but they continue to let it run around. Other people have had problems with this dog too, even if they're by themselves without walking a dog he comes out and barks and chases people.

I work at a law firm, and we have quite a number of dog bite cases from the area all due to people not fencing or leashing their dogs. these dogs just come out and attack people and other dogs. But no one will even entertain the idea of a leash law because they're all about their rural independence. While I am all for doing whatever you want, there are certain limits when your behaviors start affecting other peoples lives in a negative way.

Seriously.... get a fence, or stop being lazy and get up and walk the dog every time it needs to go pee.

So, that's my rant for today, and now I am going to take my dog for our exciting walk in the driveway. Woohoo!

Edit: Changed "lease" to "leash" in the subject heading
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Devlyn

I thought this was going to be about rental property!




Edit: Aw, it was changed!
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Sara Thomas

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on March 03, 2013, 12:39:14 PM
I thought this was going to be about rental property!




Edit: Aw, it was changed!

Lol - I saw that at first also, and was thinking - Heck! Too bad it wasn't about "leashes"... 'cause I was just on that topic!

It's pretty similar where I live, LearnedHand: Rural enough for dogs and chickens to be all over the road... but not truly country (that'd be about a mile in any direction other than south...). Fortunately, we have a fairly large fenced-in property... so our dog has room to run (and poop, etc...).

I would never want to advocate hurting a dog... but if it's the dog or you (or your dog) - have you considered pepper-spray, or something? It'd probably only need to be administered once (and if once doesn't work... well... mebbe two or three times will...).

Good luck - And Take Care!
I ain't scared... I just don't want to mess up my hair.
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Beth Andrea

Buy a squirt bottle, fill it with a mix of water and cayanne pepper. Go for your walk (without the baby), and spray those bitches.
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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Kevin Peña

Why get a leash? I figure that if the dogs loves you, he/she won't run away.
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Beth Andrea

Quote from: kkut on March 03, 2013, 01:02:12 PM
It's a shame so many people don't live by the Golden Rule.

What is not seen...doesn't exist.

Let animals roam free, let the neighbors complain...."What, our dog? He's such a sweetheart! He would never, ever do that!"

Same thing happens at schools..."What, our little Johnny's a bully? No, no you are mistaken. He's such a sweetheart..."
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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Kevin Peña

Chihuahuas aren't dogs; they're toys!  :laugh:
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Beth Andrea

Quote from: DianaP on March 03, 2013, 01:05:27 PM
Why get a leash? I figure that if the dogs loves you, he/she won't run away.

It's not about YOU. It's about maintaining control over the animal so it does not bother other people.

Barking, biting, wanting to be petted, and pooping are all behaviors that an unleashed animal could do.

...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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Devlyn

Quote from: kkut on March 03, 2013, 01:02:12 PM
It's a shame so many people don't live by the Golden Rule.

Yes, after they come by with the dog, all you're left with is the Golden Pool!
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Sara Thomas

Quote from: DianaP on March 03, 2013, 01:05:27 PM
Why get a leash? I figure that if the dogs loves you, he/she won't run away.

Sometimes cats trump love.  :)
I ain't scared... I just don't want to mess up my hair.
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Kevin Peña

Quote from: Beth Andrea on March 03, 2013, 01:12:49 PM
Barking, biting, wanting to be petted, and pooping are all behaviors that an unleashed animal could do.

Leashed dogs can do all of those things.  ???
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Sara Thomas

Quote from: kkut on March 03, 2013, 01:18:33 PM
And they all seem to love my yard too. I'm waiting for a neighbor dog that likes mowing yards instead....

lol!
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DriftingCrow

I do actually have some pepper spray somewhere, that's a good idea (I'll just be careful of the wind direction). I used to have this clicker thing that let out a loud noise that only dogs can hear, but I can't tell if the dogs have gotten used to it or if the battery is going dead.

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on March 03, 2013, 01:13:25 PM
Yes, after they come by with the dog, all you're left with is the Golden Pool!

Lol I hate having to bring my dog to someone's house because of this reason! I know she'll refuse to pee outside and just hold it to go on their rug.
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Devlyn

Quote from: kkut on March 03, 2013, 01:18:33 PM
And they all seem to love my yard too. I'm waiting for a neighbor dog that likes mowing yards instead....

Right away, m'lady!

Cool dog mowing lawn
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Kevin Peña

I would never pepper spray my pets!  :o
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Sara Thomas

Quote from: LearnedHand on March 03, 2013, 01:24:08 PM
I used to have this clicker thing that let out a loud noise that only dogs can hear, but I can't tell if the dogs have gotten used to it or if the battery is going dead.

Haha - we have one of those clicker things, which my S.O. got somewhere... I don't know that it's ever worked, but she's always zapping the cats... or the dog, when it jumps at the window trying to get the cats...

She seems to think it's effective... so I s'pose it's good for something...
I ain't scared... I just don't want to mess up my hair.
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Beth Andrea

Quote from: DianaP on March 03, 2013, 01:15:44 PM
Quote from: Beth Andrea on March 03, 2013, 01:12:49 PM
It's not about YOU. It's about maintaining control over the animal so it does not bother other people.

Barking, biting, wanting to be petted, and pooping are all behaviors that an unleashed animal could do.


Leashed dogs can do all of those things.  ???

Quote from: DianaP on March 03, 2013, 01:27:05 PM
I would never pepper spray my pets!  :o

Either you're not understanding the issue, or you're just yanking my chain.

Obviously you would not pepper spray *your* pets...but if an unleashed dog presented as a threat, or a nuisance, and the rightful owner does nothing to curb its behavior...pepper spray is a less-than-lethal option.

You probably don't want to consider lethal options...but in some parts of the US, it is legal to kill unleashed animals when they are known to harass people or other animals.
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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Kevin Peña

"Yanking my chain!" Clever!

Anywho, I did misunderstand. I thought you would pepper spray your own pet.  ???

I have only killed animals in self-defense, not for it being a "nuisance." If a dog licks me, I'm not going to pepper spray the poor thing or kill it. Let the punishment suit the crime. Heck, I had a leashed rottweiler come out of nowhere and attack me. It tried to bite me in the face, so I had no choice but to snap its neck and run away!  :o
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Sara Thomas

#18
Seems to me that if the dog were licking her, this thread would not exist...

I ain't scared... I just don't want to mess up my hair.
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Beth Andrea

Quote from: DianaP on March 03, 2013, 02:02:48 PM
"Yanking my chain!" Clever!

Anywho, I did misunderstand. I thought you would pepper spray your own pet.  ???

I have only killed animals in self-defense, not for it being a "nuisance." If a dog licks me, I'm not going to pepper spray the poor thing or kill it. Let the punishment suit the crime. Heck, I had a leashed rottweiler come out of nowhere and attack me. It tried to bite me in the face, so I had no choice but to snap its neck and run away!  :o

A leash that's not held by a person is useless. (Odd...I remember typing this before posting, but it's not here now...oh well.)

My story of uncontrolled dogs:

My family and I were out walking on a forest park trail (guns are "not allowed" there). Three dogs came running down the trail, barking and carrying on...even though I was armed (against the law, but I don't obey laws that can get me killed), I had to crouch and bodily protect my 2 little boys (4 and 5) from the dogs. Wife protected my daughter (10) with her body.

In the 20 secs it took for the owners to catch up with the dogs, I'd manuevered the boys so that I could grab the collar of one of the dogs, and could reach for my 9mm...when the owners showed up and restrained their dogs, I let them know how close they came to having dogmeat for lunch.

They walked away with the dogs leashed.

I don't joke around with animals like that.

...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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