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The Official 'Do I pass?' topic (Ver 4.0 - in 3-D)

Started by Jamie D, April 13, 2013, 02:27:03 AM

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SmokeSignalsWouldBeBetter

That was a pretty awful joke but I had a little giggle XP

Anyway! Glasses are great, I say both looks work for you, glasses may make you look a tad more masculine though.

I'm actually going to be doing the same soon enough glasses wise, although I don't think I can do those awesome thicker rims like you! I may go totally rimless.
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Cassie 4 Ever!!!

Quote from: NXTransit on December 28, 2013, 12:50:24 AM
SO MANY FINE LOOKING MENNNNN
y'all pass like the time between christmas and new years. (was that bad or was that bad!)

I've got a question, though! I recently ordered some "unisex" glasses and received them, but I'm not sure if I look more masculine with or without them! Can someone help me out?



P.S. - Sorry for the dumb face in the second picture and the messy hair. Bedhead, heh.

Have a great day!

I'd say yu look more masculine w/o the glasses.
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Cassie 4 Ever!!!

Quote from: ajayjo on December 27, 2013, 11:29:21 AM


do i look pass?

I'd say you pass, but what got my attention were your eyes. From what i see here,i believe  some random person on the street will be none the wiser and wont question it.
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Cassie 4 Ever!!!

Quote from: samsj on December 27, 2013, 01:09:42 AM
Do I Pass?

Hello, i'm new here. my name is Abrisam. you can call me Sam.

i ain't on T yet. but i adapt to dress, think, and act like a man. :)
i'm losing 6kg of my weight. so it really helped my face and my body shape.
my pimples helped me to look lil bit manly.
i want to tell my Dad first before start using T.
sooo... how do i look?



Sam, you look good, and if this is pre-T, im confident without a shodow of a doubt that you will be more than ok look wise for your face.
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Cassie 4 Ever!!!

Quote from: maximusloverus on December 25, 2013, 07:45:53 AM
Recent pics of me hopefully gonna start T in February  ;D
Can kinda see some of my upper lip fuzz

Hoping to drop weight but overall likemy shoulders

My ex-girlfriend and I a photo where I look way younger than I actually am lol


Nicotpe: I say you pass best in the last pic...not sure way

Syn: You look pretty good definitely would register male if I saw you on the street

DCQ: Love the hair and sideburns male all the way!

Looking great, and the last pic is my fav too, and the reason why for me and possibly others is that you are smiling and you look incredibly happy in it.
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Jared

Quote from: NXTransit on December 28, 2013, 12:50:24 AM
SO MANY FINE LOOKING MENNNNN
y'all pass like the time between christmas and new years. (was that bad or was that bad!)

I've got a question, though! I recently ordered some "unisex" glasses and received them, but I'm not sure if I look more masculine with or without them! Can someone help me out?



P.S. - Sorry for the dumb face in the second picture and the messy hair. Bedhead, heh.

Have a great day!

Definitely looking more masculine with the glasses, but you pass either way.

@SmokeSignalsWouldBeBetter: woah I like your username  :D sorry but I don't think you pass yet but your face has many masculine features, maybe with shorter hair you would pass really easily. I hope I didn't sound like a douche, most of us can't pass with long hair pe-T, I also didn't  ;)
If you want to achieve greatness, stop asking for permission.







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SmokeSignalsWouldBeBetter

Thanks but I cannot do T because of health reasons.

I am planning on getting my hair a bit shorter but I really don't want to cut it all off...oh well.
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SmokeSignalsWouldBeBetter

Sorry for the second post. I guess that is upsetting because I've really only been doing all my workouts and pre-surgery and clothing stuff for a month now. But if you have any not super super super short hair style suggestions I guess I'm open. Since I can't ever do T. I just have to work out and get the top surgery and wear the clothes. Thanks for the honesty though.
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Declan.

IMO, a short haircut will make it harder for you to pass. Usually that helps but I don't think it will in your case; certainly did not help me at all. The piercings and eye makeup don't help in my personal opinion. I haven't seen guys with ear piercings like that unless they dress alternative; you don't appear to. Do you have any pics with no eye makeup? You appear to be wearing some. You might want a second opinion about testosterone too; I can't personally think of any health issues that would mean you can't go on it but I could be wrong.
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AdamMLP

I also second getting another opinion on the testosterone if that's something you would be interested in, I think there are people here who have health problems that they didn't think would allow them to be on T, but they did.

To be brutally honest, I think the piercings, makeup and jewellery don't really help your passing, nor does the cut of the brown t-shirt, or how low the red shirt is buttoned.  Men don't normally wear them unbuttoned that low unless they have a t-shirt beneath it.  I would try changing your hairstyle too, at least to something with a fringe (bangs?) because our hair lines is often a give away too.
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SmokeSignalsWouldBeBetter

Eyemakeup was actually because, as I said, I am trying to ease myself into things, I've literally been trying to live 24/7 like this for a few weeks. Yes, I am alternative, if that's what you want to call it. I will not remove piercings because I love them, I respect that this is something you don't think is very masculine but I think anyone can have them regardless of their gender and have it be suitable if that is their style. These are piercings I have had for years, I love them, they mean something to me.

The necklace I wear is unisex, it isn't going anywhere either because it also has personal significance. Hate to break it to you but men also wear jewelry, I don't plan on being an ultra "macho" man, I am short, petite built, toned but I will probably always look a little feminine and that's ok with me.

As for the testosterone - You may have not heard of a medical reason to NOT have T but I have 1 autoimmune disease (of three and if one is thrown off they all are and this could incapacitate/kill me) that would be severely worsened by the introduction of T into my system.

As for any further photos -- I had initially had a positive opinion of this forum until I saw the responses. People have alternative styles and differing opinions and that's totally cool but it really seems like there is a lack of open-mindedness on this forum for what actually defines "a man" or what is "male".

I will be taking my leave as I do not feel like this is the place for me. Good luck to all of you on your journeys though.

Cheers.
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DriftingCrow

Hi SmokeSignals, there's room for you here on the forum. We have a "non-transitioning" board that also has a passing thread, where you don't have to worry about people telling you to get on T or not. There's also someone else there who's not on T for medical reasons.

I haven't seen your photo since it looks like you removed the post, but sometimes to pass as male we tend to go uber-macho male to get people who aren't aware of the gender spectrum to see us as male. Wear whatever makes you comfortable and happy, just sometimes non-TG/allies won't see us the way we view ourselves, but you're here to please yourself, not others. :)
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Nero

Quote from: SmokeSignalsWouldBeBetter on December 28, 2013, 11:21:42 PM
Eyemakeup was actually because, as I said, I am trying to ease myself into things, I've literally been trying to live 24/7 like this for a few weeks. Yes, I am alternative, if that's what you want to call it. I will not remove piercings because I love them, I respect that this is something you don't think is very masculine but I think anyone can have them regardless of their gender and have it be suitable if that is their style. These are piercings I have had for years, I love them, they mean something to me.

The necklace I wear is unisex, it isn't going anywhere either because it also has personal significance. Hate to break it to you but men also wear jewelry, I don't plan on being an ultra "macho" man, I am short, petite built, toned but I will probably always look a little feminine and that's ok with me.

As for the testosterone - You may have not heard of a medical reason to NOT have T but I have 1 autoimmune disease (of three and if one is thrown off they all are and this could incapacitate/kill me) that would be severely worsened by the introduction of T into my system.

As for any further photos -- I had initially had a positive opinion of this forum until I saw the responses. People have alternative styles and differing opinions and that's totally cool but it really seems like there is a lack of open-mindedness on this forum for what actually defines "a man" or what is "male".

I will be taking my leave as I do not feel like this is the place for me. Good luck to all of you on your journeys though.

Cheers.


Hi SmokeSignals,

I don't think anyone meant any offense. It's not that alternative or less masculine styles aren't liked here. It's more that those styles don't help most guys pass. The aim of this thread is for people to post photos for honest feedback to aid in passing. And unless someone passes really well already, makeup, jewelry, and certain clothing cuts and styles give off female cues. That's all people seem to be saying.

I think suggestions were made for a second opinion on T because nobody realized how serious your condition was.

QuotePeople have alternative styles and differing opinions and that's totally cool but it really seems like there is a lack of open-mindedness on this forum for what actually defines "a man" or what is "male".

I think you may be misreading the intent here. People are commenting from a purely visual passing standpoint. A cis guy could wear all that stuff and still pass. But it usually doesn't help trans guys who aren't already passing really well. That's all.

And we have a wide range of expression here. I'd encourage you to check out our Non-transitioning board, Non-op board and Androgyne board. And you'll see that we do support everyone. Not that you're not transitioning, but there are people there who face similar challenges of not being on T, etc. 

Edit: Just saw that LearnedHand posted those boards ahead of me.  :laugh:

SmokeSignals, you're welcome here. We have room for everyone whatever their expression.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Declan.

Quote from: SmokeSignalsWouldBeBetter on December 28, 2013, 11:21:42 PM
Eyemakeup was actually because, as I said, I am trying to ease myself into things, I've literally been trying to live 24/7 like this for a few weeks. Yes, I am alternative, if that's what you want to call it. I will not remove piercings because I love them, I respect that this is something you don't think is very masculine but I think anyone can have them regardless of their gender and have it be suitable if that is their style. These are piercings I have had for years, I love them, they mean something to me.

The necklace I wear is unisex, it isn't going anywhere either because it also has personal significance. Hate to break it to you but men also wear jewelry, I don't plan on being an ultra "macho" man, I am short, petite built, toned but I will probably always look a little feminine and that's ok with me.

As for the testosterone - You may have not heard of a medical reason to NOT have T but I have 1 autoimmune disease (of three and if one is thrown off they all are and this could incapacitate/kill me) that would be severely worsened by the introduction of T into my system.

As for any further photos -- I had initially had a positive opinion of this forum until I saw the responses. People have alternative styles and differing opinions and that's totally cool but it really seems like there is a lack of open-mindedness on this forum for what actually defines "a man" or what is "male".

I will be taking my leave as I do not feel like this is the place for me. Good luck to all of you on your journeys though.

Cheers.

I'm sorry if my post contributed at all to you feeling that way; that wasn't my intention. There is a thread for if you want general compliments, but this is the "do I pass?" thread in which I would hope we're all honest with each other, since it's not helpful to tell someone they pass when they're getting ma'am'd at every corner. We give each other suggestions here.

From the two pictures you posted, you did not appear to have an alternative style. I didn't say you're not alternative, just that you didn't seem like you were. I have no issue with piercings and jewelry and eye makeup, it was just my personal opinion that they feminized your outfits in the pictures you posted. Also didn't know about your reasons for not going on testosterone - that's why I just suggested a second opinion instead of saying "are you kidding?? Everyone can go on it!!"

If you don't want advice on passing, this is really not the thread for you. There are better threads for that. I wouldn't judge the rest of the forum just by a few replies you didn't appreciate.  :-\ But nobody said you're not a man, or that you're not manly enough, etc.
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geek

ITT: people asking for advice and getting angry when they get it and they don't like it \o/  its "do i pass?" not "Coddle me"



edit: The guys that replied gave an honest opinion, they werent rude, they werent nasty, they gave fair advice, the only problem i can see is the above.




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Simon

Quote from: geek on December 29, 2013, 12:58:58 AM
ITT: people asking for advice and getting angry when they get it and they don't like it \o/  its "do i pass?" not "Coddle me"

This is why I've always thought this thread was a bad idea. Too much potential for hurt feelings from others in the community. I've said it before and I'll say it again, people know if they pass. Society tells you every time you step foot out the door.

People here just try to offer helpful suggestions to those who don't pass. It's nothing personal...just advice that someone can take or leave.

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Jack_M

I think the title really says it all.  "Do I pass?"  Not, "Compliment me!"

I'm stealth in every day life.  There's very few people I can ask for advice whenever I got a new style of binder or outfit I was unsure of.  Also, in here I trust people to be a bit more honest and I at least try to give honest feedback with ways to help people pass better if they don't already.  Sometimes it can be like the "Does my butt look big in this?" idea in real life situations.  If I ask someone who knows I'm trans if an outfit works, they could well be worried about offending me and just say it does...and then I might end up making a fool of myself.  That's happened to me with a friend telling me a sweater looked great but I wouldn't wear it in public until I checked in here to make sure it wasn't too tight.  I was trying to find a style that more was who I am and stop hiding under hoodies and baggy clothing because that's not my preferred style.  I was looking to adapt my style to be more banana republic like, so that when I finally got the top surgery I just got, I could straight away be the man I want to be and not be in the changing process where I was still wearing baggy clothing to not draw attention.  And thanks to advice and assurances here I made that transition.  So on Monday when I go back to work, I can wear what I like with my new male chest without it drawing unwanted attention.

Dysphoria for trans individuals can be just like dysphoria for anorexics.  An anorexic sees fat on what everyone else sees as a far too skinny, sick individual.  There's times where I feel like I put on clothes and to me it looks like a girl in boy's clothing, especially with something new.  Everyone else just sees a man, but our brains can do the most messed up things to our own perceptions. 

Eventually we get to a point where we know full well that we pass, and that's when the badass thread gets used.  But here, it's been a good place to get advice we maybe don't have in everyday life or advice we can trust as much. 

Honesty has been important for me and many others here, so it's important we don't get side tracked on the reaction of one for the importance of the majority.
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Jared

Sorry if I offended you SmokeSignals, I really didn't want to. I personally like your style with your hair too, it's just not the best way to pass. And I understand you can't get on T, that's ok, probably you know better than anyone here what can you do and what can't. And I really mean this, not being sarcastic.
If you google some hairstyle for men with longer hair I'm sure you can find one that suits you and still long(er).
If you want to achieve greatness, stop asking for permission.







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AdamMLP

I too apologise if I offended you with my post, perhaps we both misinterpreted what this is about.  I assumed that you, like the other guys here wanted constructive criticism on what might help them pass better, from the first page: "This is meant to help give advice and constructive criticism. Remember there is a difference between being truthful and being rude."  It doesn't benefit everyone if we just applaud each other when they don't pass.  I don't post here often because on when its borderline and people are saying they pass I think there is a minute culture difference between the US and the UK which makes me see a lot of people as women, and I leave them be.  However in this case I thought I might be able to suggest some generic things which might help you as you seemed keen to pass.  No one here expected you to do those things immediately, or that you're less of a man because you haven't done them already, they were more things which someone could work towards.  If I posted a photograph and someone suggested a different haircut I wouldn't go and do it the next day, because that's impractical.

No one was saying you absolutely had to do those things to be a man, and a lot of people hear our advice but choose not to take it because of style.  Others sacrifice their own style slightly in order to be able to pass, and that's equally as fine, it depends which is more important to the individual.  The sad truth is that most guys without T cannot pull off long hair and feminine items such as piercings whilst still being read as male.  They have to choose.  Even some cis guys can't do long hair and passing all of the time, Sebastian Bach of Skid Row is an example which always comes to mind.

I understand that T is probably a sore subject for you.  I only mentioned a second opinion because there are people who thought/assumed/heard they would never be able to take it, but have been able to and are fine.  I obviously don't know what your health problems are, and I'm no doctor, it was merely a suggestion if you hadn't fully checked with your doctor.  We obviously don't want you doing something which would seriously harm you of course.

Don't judge this site based on hearing what you didn't want to hear on this thread.  No one wants to hear that they don't pass, but we just assumed that you wanted pointers like the rest of us.
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Caleb18

Hey. I'm new here. I know that I really don't pass. These pics aren't my best but they are the only ones I have right now.
(After these pictures I found out that if I use a long sleeve athletic shirt underneath it makes me look like pecs.)
I just started cross dressing like two months ago. I came out as transgender during Thanksgiving.
Check me out.


and me with my sister


Oh and biggest question. Do my glasses make me look feminine?

Comments to give me advice are appreciated.
~I am everything I thought I could never be~
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