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Gray Seraph

This is my third attempt, I keep typing it and deleting it.
It's a bit of a long introduction(it could've been longer, but I omitted quite a bit), so sorry in advance...

  For a very long time now I know I've been different from other people. At the very least I've always had an Androgynous mindset (my index and ring fingers are even equal in length), with a slight balance toward the female side. I looked a little androgynous until puberty hit too, because my hair was about medium length. Then once my facial hair grew(and it hit fast) in, and testosterone had it's way that ended physically.

     In school I was always the quiet kid, with few friends. I wanted to fit in so badly, but at the same time just wanted to disappear from the face of the earth. I never really fit with the rest of the boys. I didn't like sports(not to mention I sucked at them), I wasn't aggressive or competitive. I never really got the whole male bonding thing, it just seemed so empty. I tended to get picked on a lot since I didn't fit in. It didn't help that my father was never really there(even before he divorced my mother when I was only 5). So I never really even had a good male role model. I only had about 2 good friends that were male, and a few that were just friends because of the other two.

     I couldn't really fit in with the girls either because I was a boy, though I've played with girls in the past. I'll admit to having played with dolls with my sister when I was a lot younger, or playing with a toy cooking set. Most of the neighborhoods I've lived in during my childhood had mostly girls, having a sister helped, otherwise I probably wouldn't of played with other neighborhood kids much. So I took what I could get.

    I was also always pretty emotional, but couldn't show it for obvious reasons, and just locked them away in the dark recesses of my mind(which probably wasn't very healthy). Since I was very creative/imaginative I tended to retreat to drawing or daydreaming, since it was a good way to escape reality.

     It wasn't till I was about 14 or 15 that I ever really questioned myself. I would sometimes go to sleep at night and actually wish I could wake up a girl, or die and be reborn as one. Or even try straining my muscles and channeling my energy to see if I could somehow change my form by will alone. I never cross-dressed, at least not in a physical sense. I have a powerful imagination so I can fulfill those needs by fantasizing.

  I also became a meaner towards my sister at that point, but she just made me mad/jealous that she was born a girl, and I wasn't. I pretty much avoided her at all costs while at school.

Since about then I've also been fighting off suicidal thoughts. Which isn't all that uncommon for people with gender issues from what I hear.

     In a lot of my drawings around 15 on I started to mainly draw girls, but normally fighting mythical creatures, demons, and robots(to disguise the pictures), It was kind of a way to fantasize about being a girl.

     In high school I ended up sitting at a table of mostly girls because my friend did. Over time he kind of became a jock at ditched me at the table. I could of left but I didn't, because in some ways I could live through their stories. They didn't seem to feel the need to put up their guard around me. I was just an observer most of the time.

     In college I also found it a bit easier to talk to girls(from what I learned listening in HS), but always just as friends. The conversations would get pretty personal/deep, without me even feeling the need lie. Sometimes I'd find myself getting a little too chatty(It's kind of funny because I'm usually quiet) with them. I never really had a sex drive at all(never really even had a desire to masturbate either, sorry if I said too much), which is probably why girls find it easier to let their guard down around me.

     About halfway through college I started getting hit hard by social anxiety, kind of like a shock wave from all the years of putting up barrier upon barrier to hide my femininity, though I didn't realize that back then.

I even tried to drink myself to death once, falling about 1 beer short. Nobody ever knew it was intentional.

My anxiety's only been getting worse, I don't even drive(the anxiety just overwhelms me) anymore and I'm on disability, so now I just feel stuck in a dead end. I just want to get back to my life, which I never really lived much of in the first place.

     About three years ago I met what I beleive to be my Anima(feminine side) in a series of lucid dreams. She has silvery white wings, Aqua eyes, brown hair, and she either wears a white dress with blue trim or a blue robe with gold trim. She looks a lot like what I'd picture myself as if I'd been born a girl.

    She's never spoken once(actually she tried but words didn't come out) in them(but I could feel her emotions, and she bears a great deal of sadness), but after a few dreams she wrote her name in a mirror. It said "Marciel"(kind a strange/rare name) on the mirror, this made her happy that I finally knew her name.

The next night I had what at first appeared to be a lucid sex dream, but she kind of just phased into me like energy, like she was trying to hint that she was me. Our thoughts were one for a brief moment before I woke up. I never see her anymore, but I am her in some of my dreams, especially since recently. She never really went away.

     I didn't even really consider that I really could potentially be TG until about 2 months ago, when I read some article online. Then a few stories on various TG sites. It was kind of like a revelation or something. Then I just started to think back on the past. More seems to come back everyday now, that had gone completely unnoticed or was forgotten/repressed until now.

I feel I'm still a bit too scared to tell my psychiatrist. Or for that matter, how I'd even drop a bombshell like that.

I'm also afraid that It may be too late if I wait too long, given HRT becomes less effective with age. Though I'm only 25, so I still have some time to get decent results. I probably have to manage my anxiety before any doctor in their right mind would allow me to try HRT. Doing it on my own with OTC herbal hormones sounds like it would be dangerous.

I'm just not sure what to do...

I figured I have nothing to lose by posting here...

Any comments/advice would be welcomed, if you survived reading this entire post.

~Gray Seraph


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Keira


At 25, you one of the young ones here and the older ones have had plenty of changes; I'm 39 and had plenty (36C, much facial changed) of devellopment. Of couse, because of genetics, there's no garantee that you'll get a C cup; but, that doesn't have anything to do with age. Its the same crapshoot that that your sister, if you one, would have regarding sensibility to estrogen.

Forget the herbals, they're more dangerous than actual hormones if to take a dose high enough to be effective, are expensive and they don't work that well, even in very high doses.

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TheBattler

Wellcome Grey Seraph,

You are amongst poeple here that understand you can can help you in your jounery. You are still youg so you have plenty of time to gain some knowledge and work out what is best for you. Enjoy your time here.

Alice
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rhondabythebay

Welcome Gray Seraph,

Your intro was interesting, especially the lucid dreaming parts. You need to talk to someone about your feelings. I think you should be honest and tell your therapist, coming out and facing who you are may help with the anxiety, I know it did with mine.

You're plenty young to transition... I'm starting at 48 and things are progressing fine. Herbals or going on non medically supervised hrt is dangerous, please don't do it. Hope to hear more from you.

Hugs,

Rhonda

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tinkerbell

Hello there and Welcome to Susan's!

Thank you very much for your introduction.  I'm very glad you found us. Please take a few moments to get familiar with the site, review the site rules and take advantage of our many resources such as the wiki, chat, and the links listed at the main page.  We look forward to your future posts and participation.  Enjoy your stay!   :)


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Gray Seraph

It's kinda of nice getting this off my chest somewhere. I'm glad I found this place.


I doubt I'd ever be able to get anything past a C if I took hormones, since my sister never got past a C cup. My mother never got past B so that would be more likely.


I know how dangerous the Herbal supplements can be based on  what I've read here and other sites, and that it doesn't work that well anyways.


If I could admit my gender issues to my psychiatrist she may better be able to help me, or at least tell me someone who can.

any suggestions on how to break it to my psychiatrist in a subtle way?
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tinkerbell

Quote from: Gray Seraph on June 07, 2007, 10:20:03 PM
any suggestions on how to break it to my psychiatrist in a subtle way?

Just be yourself and as honest as you can be.  They're psychiatrists for goodness' sakes!  they should be able to face what you tell them with professionalism and perhaps, just perhaps, some empathy.  :)

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Gray Seraph

It's probably going to take some planning, to tell my psych. I'm sure their used to hearing things like that. Though It may take a few more visits before I work up the courage. It's definitely been on my mind these last two months. Sometimes I just wish I were braver.

I guess I already took a large step tonight, but the real test is yet to come.
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Kate

Welcome, Gray Seraph! What a fascinating intro!

I can actually relate quite a bit to the whole lucid dreaming and meeting your "true self" in dreams thing. I've kinda turned the whole thing into a personal religion of sorts, where I see her as my guide, my muse, helping me get to where I need to be. We talk all the time,  which OK, sounds kinda nuts... but hey, it works for me.

And I wouldn't worry about telling your psych *anything*. I'm sure they've heard it all by now. Secrets tend to grow in our minds until they seem like these huge, scary monsters that can NEVER be let out. But once you do, once you open up and just honestly pour out your soul, those demons tend to lose their horror and just become interesting facets of YOU to be examined together. The whole point of seeing a pysch/therapist is to have a safe environment to explore your deepest, scariest issues... so maybe take advantage of that and put all your cards on the table? I've said "I can't do THAT!" sooooo many times this last year, and you know what? For every single one of them I look back now and laugh, "What was the big deal? I was afraid of that... WHY?"

Of course there always seems to be some new fear after that to take it's place, lol, but that's the fun of living this adventure, ya know?

Let it out hon. Share what burdens you and let others help you through it. Don't hold in everything, you don't have to do this all yourself, all alone. Let yourself grow.

I'm really glad you found us Gray Seraph... and can't wait to hear more about you ;)

~Kate~
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Renae.Lupini

Welcome to the neighborhood. You will fit in just fine around here.

Your story isn't anything out of the ordinary. You will find many people who share very similar life stories as you make your way through this site.

While you are enjoying your stay, please don't forget to check out the site rules. ;)
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Mattie

Hey there
If you're already seeing a psychiatrist then you're one step closer than a lot of other people (like me).  Anyway, welcome to the forums, I'm sure you'll have fun reading all the crazy stuff we post.

~Mattie
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Barbara Ann

Hi GS. What a good intro!! Don't be afraid to tell your psych; he works for you! Just be honest and express yourself to him. You will find encouragement and great advise here. Hope to hear more from you in the forums.
Welcome-
-Barb
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Gray Seraph

I don't feel so alone anymore, but I felt alone for quite awhile.
It's probably the first time I've had a place to honestly talk about my life without needing to worry.

Thanks for the encouragement so far :)

I should be able to trust my psychiatrist. I guess it's mostly just the fear that keeps me from telling her. She can't really help me though until I can be honest about my life.

My mind built up this image over time that expressing my femininity(in any way) would be a bad thing, so I mostly lived my life(in fear) very carefully to avoid showing it in public or around my family. It became my cage over these years.  Every little insult/etc... reinforced the bars.

I guess all this time Marciel's been my monster in the cage, but I've seen her and she's not scary. It's just other people that made her seem so scary.

But now I may have the key to one day set "Marciel" free.

I'm sure I'll have my fair share of demons to face along the way as well.

It's probably a good thing I realized it at this age instead of 10-20 years from now.

It would be a lot harder if I were already married,had children, and a well established life. I can only imagine what some of you must of been through(or are still going through) with your own families, in addition to having to deal with your own inner demons.

What you said makes sense to me Perchance. I'll have to try it sometime.

Quote from: Kate on June 07, 2007, 11:17:27 PM
Welcome, Gray Seraph! What a fascinating intro!

I can actually relate quite a bit to the whole lucid dreaming and meeting your "true self" in dreams thing. I've kinda turned the whole thing into a personal religion of sorts, where I see her as my guide, my muse, helping me get to where I need to be. We talk all the time,  which OK, sounds kinda nuts... but hey, it works for me.

It doesn't sound nuts to me since I'm into that whole metaphysical/spiritual thing as well. I was just wondering how you contact her, because I've been trying to find a way to contact Marciel again since those dreams. Though it's a bit off-topic for the introduction area.
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HelenW

Hi, GS, welcome!

Your story about coming to realize that you are transgendered seems eerily close to mine.  I just took about 25 years longer for me to figure it out.

If you really think you can't tell your psychiatrist about this then I think you should find another doctor.  But if it's just your long training in keeping this stuff quiet that's keeping you, something many of us have had to battle, then give it some time and maybe follow Perchance's advice.  I know that the fears of anticipation are almost always much worse than the real occurrences in my life.

I'm pleased to make your acquaintance and I hope we'll all get to know each other better really soon.

again, Welcome!! :)

hugs & smiles
helen
FKA: Emelye

Pronouns: she/her

My rarely updated blog: http://emelyes-kitchen.blogspot.com

Southwestern New York trans support: http://www.southerntiertrans.org/
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Gray Seraph

It's habit to keep these things quiet, I guess it's just hard to get out of the "loner" mindset I've spent so long in. I was never really able to trust anyone fully, except myself. In the past I never felt I had any real place I belonged, condemned to be alone.

But I can see that's not true anymore, thanks to the people here.

It's not that I don't trust my psychiatrist (she knows more about me than most people, but it took me awhile to build up enough trust and realize that she wasn't just going to ask all the right questions), more just fear and anticipation like you say. It's just such a big issue for me that it may take a bit of time to work up the courage to take the plunge.

It was a big step for me to even post my story here in the first place, took 3 separate attempts just to submit my introduction.

I'll have to change to another doctor anyways, but that's inevitable, since my psych doesn't specialize in gender issues.

I've always just trained myself to not ask for help until I'm desperate, not really the best option. Last time I let my problems build to critical mass it resulted in crushing anxiety, that I'm just now getting to the roots of after 6 years.

~Gray Seraph
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Barbara Ann

Hey GS. We'll be glad to be a sounding board for your feelings. Maybe getting things verbalized here will help with telling your doctor. I really do relate to the difficulty in telling anyone. It's a secret we carry with us for decades sometimes. It was for me. My therapist was the first one I told that I was a woman. My wife was the second one. You will be amazed at the joyous freedom you will feel after you take this burden off your shoulders.
Listen, girl, you will have enough struggles during your journey. My humble advice is to not wrestle with yourself, too.
Peace to you-
-Barb
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mallard500

The most important thing to keep in terms of Theapists/Psychiatrists, etc is that they are your staff!  After all, you're the one footing the bill, (in one way or another), and it's you that they are to be helping.  Please never let a couple of initials on a diploma make you think someone is better, smarter, or somehow superior to you.

They are your staff - remember that, and embody the concept that if any professional (Doctor, Lawyer, Account, Broker, whatever) isn't meeting your needs, then you should fire them, the same way you would anyone on your payroll that isn't doing the job.

If you feel comfortable with your current Psychiatrist, then you might wish to consider talking to her first, if nothing else, as a 'test drive' for your own self.  If she doesn't deal with it in a positive and constructive way, then walk out and find someone more qualified.  From what you say however, she sounds as she may well be fine, and can, if your needs go beyond her expertise, perhaps give you a good referal to someone more experienced in gender issues.

I'd suggest that you also seek out the opinion and experience of other TS's in your area to see who has been helpful, or who to avoid.  Best of luck, and persevere in your jouney - be not deterred by your fears, for while they're real to us all, we can't let any fears rule our lives.

Best of luck, and Brava for making the steps you've already done.  See... you CAN do it - have faith in yourself!   ;)

Scott
Mallard500



Quote from: Gray Seraph on June 08, 2007, 10:38:16 PM
It's habit to keep these things quiet, I guess it's just hard to get out of the "loner" mindset I've spent so long in. I was never really able to trust anyone fully, except myself. In the past I never felt I had any real place I belonged, condemned to be alone.

But I can see that's not true anymore, thanks to the people here.

It's not that I don't trust my psychiatrist (she knows more about me than most people, but it took me awhile to build up enough trust and realize that she wasn't just going to ask all the right questions), more just fear and anticipation like you say. It's just such a big issue for me that it may take a bit of time to work up the courage to take the plunge.

It was a big step for me to even post my story here in the first place, took 3 separate attempts just to submit my introduction.
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Gray Seraph

Quote from: Barbara Ann on June 10, 2007, 03:49:12 PM
Hey GS. We'll be glad to be a sounding board for your feelings. Maybe getting things verbalized here will help with telling your doctor. I really do relate to the difficulty in telling anyone. It's a secret we carry with us for decades sometimes. It was for me. My therapist was the first one I told that I was a woman. My wife was the second one. You will be amazed at the joyous freedom you will feel after you take this burden off your shoulders.
Listen, girl, you will have enough struggles during your journey. My humble advice is to not wrestle with yourself, too.
Peace to you-
-Barb

Your right that verbalizing it here should help. The more I discuss it here, the easier it will get for me to confront my problem in person. It may take more time than I want before I can take the next step, but every post I make here should help ease my burden a bit, until I can take the next step. That's one of the nice things about these forums.

Quote from: Mallard500 on June 10, 2007, 05:23:30 PM
The most important thing to keep in terms of Theapists/Psychiatrists, etc is that they are your staff!  After all, you're the one footing the bill, (in one way or another), and it's you that they are to be helping.  Please never let a couple of initials on a diploma make you think someone is better, smarter, or somehow superior to you.

They are your staff - remember that, and embody the concept that if any professional (Doctor, Lawyer, Account, Broker, whatever) isn't meeting your needs, then you should fire them, the same way you would anyone on your payroll that isn't doing the job.

If you feel comfortable with your current Psychiatrist, then you might wish to consider talking to her first, if nothing else, as a 'test drive' for your own self.  If she doesn't deal with it in a positive and constructive way, then walk out and find someone more qualified.  From what you say however, she sounds as she may well be fine, and can, if your needs go beyond her expertise, perhaps give you a good referal to someone more experienced in gender issues.

I'd suggest that you also seek out the opinion and experience of other TS's in your area to see who has been helpful, or who to avoid.  Best of luck, and persevere in your jouney - be not deterred by your fears, for while they're real to us all, we can't let any fears rule our lives.


It's true that I'm paying my doctor, so I shouldn't be afraid. I'd love to say I'm not afraid, but I am, and it's something I'm working on. I trust my psychiatrist (who I've been talking to for almost 4-5 years now) more than I'd trust a new doctor, so chances are I'll be telling her first.  If I just blindly rush into this issue guns blazing I'm more likely to fail( which could end bad for me), but if I can approach it in a calm and collected manner I can succeed in my goals. It may take longer than I want( as most things in life do), but I'll still get there.

I mean It took about month of lurking on various websites and forums, reading other peoples stories, before I even had the courage to post here for the first time. My life is starting to have meaning again though, for the first time in a long while, so I've made progress.

Also there aren't really any other TS's in my area that I know of, but I don't really get out much.

~Gray Seraph
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mallard500

Quote from: Gray Seraph on June 11, 2007, 12:00:45 AM

It's true that I'm paying my doctor, so I shouldn't be afraid. I'd love to say I'm not afraid, but I am, and it's something I'm working on. I trust my psychiatrist (who I've been talking to for almost 4-5 years now) more than I'd trust a new doctor, so chances are I'll be telling her first.  If I just blindly rush into this issue guns blazing I'm more likely to fail( which could end bad for me), but if I can approach it in a calm and collected manner I can succeed in my goals. It may take longer than I want( as most things in life do), but I'll still get there.

I mean It took about month of lurking on various websites and forums, reading other peoples stories, before I even had the courage to post here for the first time. My life is starting to have meaning again though, for the first time in a long while, so I've made progress.

Also there aren't really any other TS's in my area that I know of, but I don't really get out much.

~Gray Seraph

Your concerns are totally valid, and I apologize if I seem too cavalier in so often talking about "staff" and "firing people" who don't meet our needs.  After all, the relationship one develops with a good psychiatrist is a really valuable thing, and just as a close family member, I can certainly understand why you don't want to jeopardize that!

However, at some point, you have to trust both yourself and her...  Her, in terms of her being a good professional who should easily accept and work with anything you discuss with her, (and give qualified referrals if it's outside her expertise); and yourself, in terms of your gut feelings that you trust this person!

And it's totally cool to take the time you need - it's your life, and ultimately, you're the only one qualified to truly know when you're ready to take each different step in life.

Take all the encouragement and advise you wish from folks here or elsewhere, and use that to help affirm those decisions that you feel are right for you.  If the shoe/boot doesn't fit though, that's ok too!  After all, we are all unique individuals, and what may work for one person may not be a good fit for the next.

Best of luck in whatever you decide, and just know that there ARE no rules for things like timelines in making decisions.  Do what works for you, and what you're comfortable with.  You show great wisdom when you say "... if I can approach it in a calm and collected manner I can succeed in my goals."

How soon or long it takes to reach a given goal isn't the important thing; it's how we treat ourselves and others as we achieve those steps that matters.

Blessed Be, and best of success!


Scott
Mallard500
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Gray Seraph

Quote from: Mallard500 on June 12, 2007, 06:59:45 AM

Your concerns are totally valid, and I apologize if I seem too cavalier in so often talking about "staff" and "firing people" who don't meet our needs.  After all, the relationship one develops with a good psychiatrist is a really valuable thing, and just as a close family member, I can certainly understand why you don't want to jeopardize that!

However, at some point, you have to trust both yourself and her...  Her, in terms of her being a good professional who should easily accept and work with anything you discuss with her, (and give qualified referrals if it's outside her expertise); and yourself, in terms of your gut feelings that you trust this person!

And it's totally cool to take the time you need - it's your life, and ultimately, you're the only one qualified to truly know when you're ready to take each different step in life.

Take all the encouragement and advise you wish from folks here or elsewhere, and use that to help affirm those decisions that you feel are right for you.  If the shoe/boot doesn't fit though, that's ok too!  After all, we are all unique individuals, and what may work for one person may not be a good fit for the next.

Best of luck in whatever you decide, and just know that there ARE no rules for things like timelines in making decisions.  Do what works for you, and what you're comfortable with.  You show great wisdom when you say "... if I can approach it in a calm and collected manner I can succeed in my goals."

How soon or long it takes to reach a given goal isn't the important thing; it's how we treat ourselves and others as we achieve those steps that matters.

Blessed Be, and best of success!


Scott
Mallard500


No need to apologize, but thanks all the same, you were just trying to help.

I'm trying to work up the guts to tell my psychiatrist, so I can move forward, but it may take more than one appointment.

However there is a sort of time line(though it varies) for things like HRT. The longer I wait the less effective it may get.
It will likely happen before I ever get to 30 though( given almost 5 years is a long time), so a little bit of time getting myself together isn't going to hurt me that much. It might make me stronger/more prepared for the trials ahead though, and I'm sure there will be many to come.

A lot of people on this site seem to make it sound like it's a race to transition, I think I understand why they do, but it's not always as simple as going from point A to B.

I'd prefer comfort to speed though, but I'll still get there.  So I guess I'm the tortoise, I'm fine with that for now, I don't plan on giving up anytime soon.

I don't really have the cash(no job) to go much beyond therapy and possibly HRT(if I can actually afford it) at this point in time anyways.

I know I want to resolve it all as quickly as possible( and get on with my life), as does everyone else in a similar position, but that's just not realistic.

~Gray Seraph
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