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Started by Beth Andrea, July 26, 2013, 02:52:46 PM

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Beth Andrea

Nothing is carved in stone...unless your heart is.
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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Anatta

Kia Ora,

When I read things like this, I often wonder why HRT does not work for gay and lesbian people who want to be straight...

Self denial and the pressures to conform in a deeply entrenched heteronormative society can I believe push ones 'true' sexual orientation even further back into the closet than ones gender identity...HRT unlocks the closet door for ones gender identity to 'gradually' evolve, after which (in some cases) comes the deeply hidden 'true' sexual orientation...

In saying all this, I should add, it doesn't really matter how ones true sexual orientation came to the surface, just so long as one is NOW comfortable with this new found freedom of expression...

The Kinsey Scale's quite interesting...


Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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Ltl89

Quote from: Heather on July 27, 2013, 01:57:17 PM
I just don't think sexuality is set in stone as some people believe it to be. In my case I think my sexuality has evolved as I've gotten older and have learned more about myself. I'm in a constant state change before hrt I thought I had it figured out but as my body and mind have changed so has my understanding of myself. I may be the extreme case because I'm on hormones but I believe our understanding of ourselves and our sexuality can change as we do.  ;)

I agree in some respects, but for some it is set in stone.  I think most people fall somewhere in the bi category, so it doesn't make sense to classify themselves as completely straight or gay.  However, I've rarely encountered a gay person who was entirely that way find themselves being interested in the opposite sex after time.  It does happen here in the trans community, but I suspect that has a lot to do with hormones and self realization.
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Heather

Quote from: learningtolive on July 27, 2013, 04:01:34 PM
I agree in some respects, but for some it is set in stone.  I think most people fall somewhere in the bi category, so it doesn't make sense to classify themselves as completely straight or gay.  However, I've rarely encountered a gay person who was entirely that way find themselves being interested in the opposite sex after time.  It does happen here in the trans community, but I suspect that has a lot to do with hormones and self realization.
I don't think hormones changes are sexuality. Well it hasn't for me anyways. What it has changed is I'm now more in touch with how I'm feeling.
But with most people you will never know if their sexuality is set in stone. Because most people have too much of their identity wrapped up in their sexuality. Do you think a so called straight guy is ever going to admit he's attracted to a man? I think not!  ;) Now I'm totally into guys I love them! But I can fall for a woman it's just a different kind of attraction with women.
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Dahlia

Quote from: learningtolive on July 26, 2013, 08:39:30 PM
I'm curious if the reverse has ever happened.  Has anyone who was straight take hrt and become a lesbian?  It seems like the hormones work in one direction from what I gather.  I guess that makes sense, but I don't know. 

I've always liked guys so hrt has done nothing for me.  Perhaps if I am on it long enough I will become super straight,lol.

LOL! +1!
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Keaira

yea, it kind of sneaks up on you. the first crush I had on a guy was at my old workplace. And it really threw me for a loop. But after a while I just learned to accept it. Then I met Caleb and it grew to be more than a crush... Life can be so complex sometimes. you'll just have to do like any member of the armed forces Beth, Adapt and overcome. ;)
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ZoeM

I was, prior to HRT, completely straight - no attraction to men, period. Never felt anything close to attraction.

Now, I think I'm probably bi to female-straight - which is a huge difference from what I used to be, and which tells me that there is a great deal of mutability to sexuality, if I'm anything to go by.
Which makes it interesting seeing people claim sexuality's immutable/born that way... I always kinda want to wave and say "Not really/not always"
Don't lose who you are along the path to who you want to be.








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Pia Bianca

I got a similar impression, but prior to HRT. I always was straight; since a few months I start to realize that I might be Transgender. Since then I started to feel curious about the feeling involved with making love with a man. Even before I started this I bought a dildo and a vibrator just for trying them out and they immediatly became sticky, but I explained that as part of my submissive tendencies.

The last weeks I caught myself fantasizing about men more often. I'd still not have any sex with men, but I'm no longer sure if that isn't to be changing soon - even without HRT. I wonder if HRT will strenthen those feelings. I foresee that I will hustle myself into "cecking the options" after SRS.

That said, I never had any amourous feeling for men.
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Heather

Quote from: PiaBianca on July 28, 2013, 09:29:21 AM


The last weeks I caught myself fantasizing about men more often. I'd still not have any sex with men, but I'm no longer sure if that isn't to be changing soon - even without HRT. I wonder if HRT will strenthen those feelings. I foresee that I will hustle myself into "cecking the options" after SRS.


If you really are into men hrt will bring that out. Now you may just be exploring your sexuality right now? And might not be into men at all. Now when you start getting crushes on men and will go see a movie you don't particularly care to see but think the guy playing superman is hot! Then you might really be into men. But really you should probably look deeper into these feelings you may find out it was just a fantasy.  :)
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monarch

My sexuality these days is one huge mess, and I am no longer certain where I stand.  Most of the time I feel completely asexual, yet I still notice women, but now it feels more like a lingering habit that makes me look their way.  Men might as well be invisible to me when it comes to sexual attraction.

Despite these feelings when a man did show me attention, I responded with interest, which is more than a little surprising to me but not too surprising.  Before my transition, I was a very sexual and a very bicurious straight man.  Anyway, despite my interest I wanted nothing more from him than his attention.  When I received attention from a woman, I liked that as well, but again I think it was more the attention that I liked.  In both cases, I am pretty sure they wanted more from me.

It is weird.  I went from heterosexual (more likely bisexual) male with a high libido to lesbian in early transition with a moderate libido to sorta bicurious lesbian with almost no libido to something more resembling asexual but still notices women despite having no real desire for sex.  It appears the older I get the more I desire to be single.

To give people some context, I have been physically transitioning for four and a half years now.  During that time besides hrt I had an orchiectomy and a year later srs.

Anyway, trying to figure this stuff out gives me a headache, and who wants to think about sex with a headache?   :P
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Beth Andrea

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Anyway, trying to figure this stuff out gives me a headache, and who wants to think about sex with a headache

That's why one shouldn't try to "figure it out"...love and sex have no reason, need no reason. Just go with what feels right to you, and labels be damned! They're too confining, an unpleasant (unless you *like* that sort of thing ;) )
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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Joanna Dark

I just thought of this a second ago but I wonder when someone had zero attraction to men prior to transition and then changes that after HRT how much that has to with wanting to fit in or not defying religious conviction. Like if I'm someone is really religious and thinks being gay is against God, might they try to convince themselves they like men because of the cognitive dissonance in their mind. This s could apply equally to someone who hates being different. I guess we will never know. I just don't know how hormones can change sexuality.

I mean if that was the case then wouldn't testosterone therapy work on gay men. I'm sure it has been tried. I think it is all about acceptance with oneself. I also wonder how real this phenomena is outside this forum. A lot of people here tend to be from less populated areas and hence the need for more support and people from less populated areas tend to be more religious. This isn't meant to be a religions discussion at all. More of a did "HRT change it" or "was it repressed" thing. I mean I know for me I kept my sexuality in a lock box (along with social security lol i'm bringing back the year 2000) because I come from a religious family.
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monarch

Quote from: Beth Andrea on July 28, 2013, 12:49:42 PM
That's why one shouldn't try to "figure it out"...love and sex have no reason, need no reason. Just go with what feels right to you, and labels be damned! They're too confining, an unpleasant (unless you *like* that sort of thing ;) )

My masochistic tendencies notwithstanding, I agree with you.  ;D
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Beth Andrea

Quote from: monarch on July 28, 2013, 01:06:34 PM
My masochistic tendencies notwithstanding, I agree with you.  ;D

DO YOU WANT A SCHPANKING!?!  LOL...

Oh, that was something else that changed for me...before recognizing I was trans, I didn't like the idea of any BDSM...once I started allowing myself to be me, I discovered that I do, in fact, enjoy a bit of paddling...

And not the canoe kind, if.you.know.what.I.mean!

;)

I do think sometimes things are suppressed, and other times we either change our mind or whatever (exploring, etc)...but the people who say "Gay people can't change" are just like the straight people who insist they're NOT gay--because they seem to be too afraid of the possibility to even consider it.
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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monarch

Joanna that is an interesting argument that you posit.  Society generally exerts pressure on us to conform to its definition of social norms.  There are decisions that I would not have made if it were not for such pressures.  Of course, there are probably countless other ways in which I have been influenced and never noticed.

I have no idea whether societal expectations played a role in the mess that I call my sexual orientation, but I am aware of how society has influenced my perceptions of the dynamics of romance.  Now that I am female the dynamics have changed, and so have the expectations of me.  I never thought of that too closely, and now that you mention it I will.

My upbringing is mostly secular, so I do not feel comfortable discussing religion as I really do not have any experience with that aspect of our culture.
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monarch

Quote from: Beth Andrea on July 28, 2013, 01:24:39 PM
DO YOU WANT A SCHPANKING!?!  LOL...

Oh, that was something else that changed for me...before recognizing I was trans, I didn't like the idea of any BDSM...once I started allowing myself to be me, I discovered that I do, in fact, enjoy a bit of paddling...

And not the canoe kind, if.you.know.what.I.mean!

;)

I see you are not fully committed to team hetero as of yet.   :P

As to being a masochist, I was not referring to BDSM per se.  However, my feelings regarding BDSM probably fall outside the scope of this thread.

Canoeing you say...row row row your boat.  No?  Well then, the canoe paddle has more uses than just propulsion.  Think outside the box.   >:-)
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Makalii

I have always considered myself straight, albeit I definitely had an attraction for women much stronger and more dominant than myself. Lately though, as I've come to accept my transsexualism and really embrace it, I've come to just think of myself as "open-minded."  ;)

That term applies to my masochistic sense as well. xD
- Circus Girl
- MtF
- Pre-HRT (for now)
- Call me Maka  ;)

For how could I ever ask someone to love me as a woman for my body, if I can't even love my body as a woman for myself?
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monarch

Quote from: Makalii on July 28, 2013, 01:51:41 PM
That term applies to my masochistic sense as well. xD

Oh great, I am going to get a reputation for derailing threads around here.   :-\
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Sammy

Quote from: Makalii on July 28, 2013, 01:51:41 PM
I have always considered myself straight, albeit I definitely had an attraction for women much stronger and more dominant than myself. Lately though, as I've come to accept my transsexualism and really embrace it, I've come to just think of myself as "open-minded."  ;)

That term applies to my masochistic sense as well. xD

Speaking about BDSM, I have never been into SM and I dont see HRT changing that part :P. Masochism is like a total turn off for me. How convenient, but BDSM does not consist of spanking and getting spanked only :P.

P.S. Yesterday I saw a guy on the street and my first thought was "He is hot!" and the second thought "Ewww, whaaaat? Wtf did You just think???" :P
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Joanna Dark

Quote from: Miss Bungle on July 28, 2013, 02:27:41 PM
I remember back when I started HRT, I thought to myself, "Hmmm, what IF I was with a guy in a romantic or sexual situation?". My stomach turned and I felt like I was literally going to be physically sick.

That pretty much sealed the deal for me.

I remember back when I started HRT, I thought to myself, "Hmmm, what IF I was with a guy in a romantic or sexual situation?". My stomach did flips and a giant wave of contentment washed over my body.

That sealed the deal for me...I can't wait to get SRS!

hhehehe hope you don't mind me stealing your words and applying them to myself. Remember: imitation is flattery!
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