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Before 'unpassability' was attacking me, now 'aging' is attacking me :(

Started by Evolving Beauty, August 27, 2013, 07:46:55 AM

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Anastasia E

.. Thanks for the tips, but I think I'll stick with my soda and convenience and look 40 at 40 instead of 45 ^_^


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A

She means that the vast majority of food sold frozen or pre-prepared in any way is unhealthy. They are often badly balanced when you look at the nutrients, and even when they are, they are likely to contain way too much salt and maybe sugar. Yes, they add sugar to tomato sauce, of all things. And even if you manage to find the (expensive) pearl that doesn't have any of the above, it's likely that it contains nocive chemical additives, for conservation, colour or texture, that they are not even forced to list in the ingredients (apparently in Europe they are I think - lucky them). Also, the more the food you buy is processed, the more chances they've had to add stuff in it. For example, from canned crushed tomatoes to canned tomato/pasta sauce to a frozen pasta meal, the problems are gonna increase.

Also, make sure your idea of looking 40 is at the right place. In a society of people who eat awfully badly, are very stressed, like to tan and don't exercise enough, "looking 40" is probably not what it should be.

Then again, I'm not one to speak. I've been eating almost nothing but unbalanced breakfast and my four-ingredient pasta (whole wheat pasta, canned tomato sauce, black beans, processed cheese slice) for the last two weeks. Cooking is a pain.
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Kate G

Yep. 

One thing to take into consideration is that the food that is being produced in the United States is being produced for the fast-food industry.  The beef that we produce is fed corn to make the cow grow and fatten up really fast.  The thing is it is very unnatural for a cow to eat corn.  Cows are designed to eat grass, not starchy corn.  Corn turns to sugar when digested.  This is bad news for cows because their stomachs (they have more than one stomach, because they were designed to process grasses, not carbs) when fed starchy corn cows stomachs turn into E Coli factories, you know that bacteria that has been responsible for so many food-related deaths in past years?  Well the cows become E Coli factories and anything you use their manure (which used to be one of the best natural fertilizers) but anything you put Corporate Grown Beef Manure on can become infected, spinach, salad, things that never used to harbor E Coli.

And guess what the Corporations do to try to fix the problem?  Well it is all about profits so they constantly feed the cows anti-biotics to try to deal with all the bacteria.  Well you know how folks will tell you never to abuse anti-biotics because it will cause disease resistant strains of bacteria?  Well guess who is really abusing the anti-biotics?  And those anti-biotic pumped cows, when you eat their flesh and drink their milk you ingest those anti-biotics, your children ingest those anti-biotics.

Have you ever heard of mechanically separated meat?

Mechanically separated meat is when you take the bones, tendons and waste material from butchering animals and you put it into a tumbler that takes all the tiny little scraps of meat off the waste.  This meat-product then has Ammonia added to it, to kill all of the E Coli but the problem is it tastes bad so they pump it full of artificial flavors and such to make it seem like regular meat.  It is added to hamburger and chances are you have eaten it.  They do it with Chicken, try to find a frozen pepperoni pizza that doesn't have mechanically separated chicken in it.

And how about flouride?  Well, I need to cut this post short but if you are interested in your health and vitality you absolutely must be proactive about it.  Here is a link to an article that talks about fluoride  http://www.naturalnews.com/041745_pesticide_harmful_chemicals_nutrition_killers.html
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Danielle Emmalee

Quote from: Kate G on September 09, 2013, 08:16:46 PM
They do it with Chicken, try to find a frozen pepperoni pizza that doesn't have mechanically separated chicken in it.


I'm not sure if this was a typo or what but I'm having trouble finding a frozen pepperoni pizza that does have mechanically separated chicken in it.
Discord, I'm howlin' at the moon
And sleepin' in the middle of a summer afternoon
Discord, whatever did we do
To make you take our world away?

Discord, are we your prey alone,
Or are we just a stepping stone for taking back the throne?
Discord, we won't take it anymore
So take your tyranny away!
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Katie

Aside from the fact that it is not exactly smart to consider transition to attract men there is something I see tossed around a lot here.

Now I realize a lot of people here are early in the process of transition or have yet to begin so I though I would say this. There is not another word I hate more in this entire world than the P word many of you use. I realize it has many definitions but I focus on the one that says something like, putting forth something that is not real in an attempt to deceive others.

Now since this is the transsexual forum we are all supposed to be women. I live my life as I am the woman I am, nothing more nothing less and I don't ever walk around with this P word floating in my head.

Perhaps a better word to use is your presentation to the world.
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Kate G

Quote from: Alice Danielle on September 09, 2013, 08:28:32 PM
I'm not sure if this was a typo or what but I'm having trouble finding a frozen pepperoni pizza that does have mechanically separated chicken in it.

Here are four examples of pizzas with mechanically separated meat

Red Baron Pizza Ingredients ---->   (click on a pizza with pepperoni in it) http://www.redbaron.com/classic-crust-pizza.htm 
Tombstone -------------------->  http://www.foodfacts.com/NutritionFacts/Prepared-Meals/Tombstone-Pepperoni-Pizza--oz/32369
DiGiorno ----------> (Click on Ingredients +) http://www.digiorno.com/Products/rising-crust/rising-crust/11157/pepperoni
Tony's ----------------------> (Click on a pizza with pepperoni or sausage in it) http://www.tonys.com/products-original-crust-pizzas.htm

YouTube link, The Young Turks article on Mechanically separated poultry

Ammonia is what gives mechanically separated meats that pièce de résistance :) !
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A

Basically there isn't any mechanically separated chicken in the pizza, directly, but it contains pepperoni which itself contains it. They don't always have to go down the whole list of ingredients' ingredients, you know.

Also, uh... you know what sucks with saying "the P word"? People have no idea what word you're talking about. If you can muster enough hate for the word to express it, use some of that energy to write the actual word, please. I have always and will always hate censoring in every form, and especially in this case where it makes me think about nothing but "progesterone", because it's the only thing people call "P" on the forums, as far as I know.
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Danielle Emmalee

passing and the pizzas I looked at contained ingredient lists for the pepperoni, no chicken, mechanically seperated or not.
Discord, I'm howlin' at the moon
And sleepin' in the middle of a summer afternoon
Discord, whatever did we do
To make you take our world away?

Discord, are we your prey alone,
Or are we just a stepping stone for taking back the throne?
Discord, we won't take it anymore
So take your tyranny away!
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A

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Kate G

Quote from: Alice Danielle on September 10, 2013, 12:00:19 AM
passing and the pizzas I looked at contained ingredient lists for the pepperoni, no chicken, mechanically seperated or not.

That's good then, what country do you live in?  Here in the USA mechanically separated meat is in everything.  I would avoid pizza as junk food anyway, it's comprised of simple carbs that turn into sugar once you eat it and sugars cause intense free radical damage and premature aging.  Someone said it best on a YouTube I watched today, beauty is a sign of health and since I have no health insurance it is important to me to avoid sickness, eating right not only prevents premature aging but also helps prevent disease.

I want to keep this thread on topic, near as I can tell it is about staying youthful and attractive.  Here is an interesting YouTube
that talks about an artificial sweetener you have probably never even heard of but you have probably eaten it.  That is why packaged foods are a no-no to me.  In the video she mentions how anything that is less than 5% of the product volume can simply be listed as "natural flavoring" so you have no idea what you are really eating when you eat at a restaurant or when you eat canned, frozen, packaged meals etc.
"To get something you never had, you have to do something you never did." -Unknown
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kelly_aus

Indeed good, healthy eating contributes to good health.. Which in turns contributes to delaying aging..

Quote from: Kate G on September 10, 2013, 03:13:06 AM
In the video she mentions how anything that is less than 5% of the product volume can simply be listed as "natural flavoring" so you have no idea what you are really eating when you eat at a restaurant or when you eat canned, frozen, packaged meals etc.

As a chef, I find this a little hard to take,  offensive even.. I only cook with good quality, fresh ingredients..  No artificial colours or flavours, very little salt (if any) and use good quality flavouring agents like spices and herbs.. And all of the chef's I know are the same..
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A

Vastly depends on the kind of restaurant. In restaurant chains, chefs will use a lot of premade mixes and stuff, so that their food has the company's products' taste everywhere. And in several restaurants (most of the affordable ones I'd say) they'll just always use the very cheapest stuff they can buy, or close to that. I worked at a restaurant once (for two nights before I was fired - cleaning dishes at restaurant production speed noted as not within my abilities).

It wasn't even such an unreliable-looking restaurant. It was a clean, medium-priced Vietnamese restaurant. Some sauces were huge buckets of powder. The others were entirely from a brand, and the same you see so often in Asian restaurants. The only (I think) dessert they made on spot was made from bought phyllo dough, bought ice cream and bought chocolate sauce. They sold (terribly overpriced, like almost every single restaurant) Costco cake slices, whose ingredient list was very long. One of the listed desserts was canned fruit.

And I never had time to pay attention to what the actual chefs were putting in the food. Probably, it wasn't all-natural.

Thing is, very few normal restaurants bother with using "good" ingredients, because the customers don't really know (and mostly don't really care about) what's in their food as long as it tastes good. Of course, you have the chic restaurants, and a much higher proportion of those will care about (and even take pride in) their ingredients. But those aren't relevant to the poor like me, and they are probably pretty minoritary, statistically, too.
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Sibila

Quote from: Katie on September 09, 2013, 08:43:06 PM
Aside from the fact that it is not exactly smart to consider transition to attract men there is something I see tossed around a lot here.

Now I realize a lot of people here are early in the process of transition or have yet to begin so I though I would say this. There is not another word I hate more in this entire world than the P word many of you use. I realize it has many definitions but I focus on the one that says something like, putting forth something that is not real in an attempt to deceive others.

Now since this is the transsexual forum we are all supposed to be women. I live my life as I am the woman I am, nothing more nothing less and I don't ever walk around with this P word floating in my head.

Perhaps a better word to use is your presentation to the world.

Agree, I always dreaded the word.

Also the word "stealth".

Where I live, its relatively safe for a transgender to live...so there is no need to go stealth.
Also I do not want to date a guy that is afraid anyone would find out Im trans...
And I see no advantage in being accepted as a woman by woman... it happens... but most
of the time then its rather a disadvantage then an advantage.
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Janine-Janine

I kind of relate to this, really. I am not saying that attracting men was an absolute raison d'etre, but it was certainly a big factor. There's been a tendency to de-sexualise trans motivations but once upon a time it was considered one (but only one) of the factors involved. If you're attracted to men but don't feel homosexual - and don't wish to attract homosexuals - that's kind of a big deal because where exactly does it leave you in that regard? No-Person's Land, pretty much, to put it neutrally.

Age isn't being particularly kind to me. But I am over 40 now. My face is somewhat inherently thin so I am finding the (inevitable) facial wasting & sagging is giving me a gauntness not appropriate to my weight and kind of vaguely masculinising (sagging also making my nice jawline look heavier which REALLY sucks). I've been experimenting with diet and also half-hearted attempts at facial exercising (I can't say this doesn't work because I haven't stuck to it properly, tbh). I think it has impacted on my passability, which was probably 95% and may have dropped to 90 in last couple of years. I did have some minor facial work I wanted to have done YEARS AGO and never managed to get done. It isn't a major deal, basically I have a disfigured nose (accident @ 20, deviated septum & ugly bump, very poor in profile) and a small but annoying lump on my neck that I KNOW gets me read as trans occasionally. (BTW this is inside of what you'll see on regular women, too, so anyone with larger almost certainly IS getting read that way - and the only reason I know is that I make a point of knowing such things as opposed to Ignorance Is Bliss - whether rightly or wrongly, this has a profound association with maleness even if a la me, it's the size of a peanut.) So anyhow, I'm depressed that age is giving me an extra bite. I lost some weight (not actually a bad thing), which caved cheeks in a bit - also made neck lump much more visible - have regained some weight but the extent to which it's gone back on my face and neck is VERY minimal, unfortunately... wish I could say the same for my waist!

(On the plus side, for some reason I've gone from a C cup to a DD! Very odd, so many years post-op, although apparently a DD isn't necessarily as huge as people tend to think. My boobs look pretty average. But then a GG friend just told me she's a D and she looks pretty compact, really, so there you go.)

Passing all round was a very powerful motivator. I wasn't going to accept being unpassable. And this BTW, is a curse. Well, I'm not saying I'm not anyway. Just less than I might have been, so aging is a massive downer. For myself I'd appreciate any hints on facial stuff that might not involve dermal filler or whatever. The anxiety of still wanting some work past 40 is enormous. Don't look my age in some respects. But even that, I think, could be a discordance, you know, people struggling to even figure out how old I am, it strikes an odd note that makes people more curious than they might be otherwise.

Am attractive to some people, but never sure to what extent there's a kink or a curiosity in the allegedly 'exotic' going on there. Which is kind of a turn-off for me. Been there, done that, it sucked hard. Which has left me celibate really. It's difficult all round. I never moved past that 'attractive but a bit unusual' phase. Still wanting to. And time is my enemy now.

And this isn't down on people less passable. Seriously. I think this diversity of priority is just a fact of life, really. If I could change, I honestly would.
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Sibila

I think when you only like men (and NOT gay men), being trans is really difficult.

Its harder to have a long term relationship because there are no ties that bind you to a partner (kids). Men who date transwoman are still regarded as gay (even rightly so by some transwoman as well, because which straight guy wants to get it in the ass by an actual penis).

This makes emancipation of straight men dating TS woman even harder then it already is.

Most men that live straight lives have a big problem coming out to their friends and family and sociaty at large.

AND with men, your femininity is often seen as a sign of authenticity... its not your inside that counts. And if it does, its not always regarded as female. Just because our lives are different from regular woman... often makes us different people, with another outlook on life... that (fortunately for them) GG's dont share with us.

I have a VERY feminine character, and was even regarded as somehow "masculine" by a long term boyfriend, just because he feels better with me then with a GG. (I can see why).  Everything that is different about you, is often translated in "masculinity" ... you are not like other woman, so you must be more of a man. etc. No matter how sexy and feminine you look by the way. A lot of men date transwoman because they are tired of woman and look for something else. Someone more understanding etc.

Feeling like a woman, feeling feminine... its what makes me tick. You can try not to care... but it makes me peacefull and happy... where as being regarded as male and masculine cause great anxiety. I've seen enough therapists to know this is not likely going away.

Being female is something that I long te be for others. Not for myself... I have been female for myself.. trapped in my body. Transition is to find a mental emotional and also sexual connection to others.

I never wanted to become a woman (I dont even like them), I just am one.
I even hate the lifestyle that comes with it.. having to care so much about how I look for instance.
It ruins the precious time I have here on earth. And I am doing that for others too...
To be accepted... to be seen as female or feminine at the very least.

Sometimes I feel that I want to withdraw from sociaty completely.
There are still days that I seek solitude.
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Janine-Janine

The one guy I dated, made things QUITE clear, by sending me a drunken txt at 4am telling me how was getting off on the idea of me doing him with a strap-on. Being woken up by that is one of the least entertaining things I can think of offhand. And some other creep I corresponded with for a while (who amusingly enough, stalked me for a while) recited the exact same fantasy. This seems to be a common giveaway theme. I consider these men repressed homosexuals who are looking for a slice of vicarious maleness that appears ostensibly straight. And it's really difficult, without mind-reading powers, to be sure about such things. It's the main reason I have stayed celibate for six years... even if possible, I don't consider non-disclosure an entirely ethical decision, but that's just my personal viewpoint.

I know one guy who is interested in me (at least, for sex) right now. But I am relatively sure it's an exotic notch on the bedpost urge (I'm sure he IS straight; but 50+ and possibly curious about new experiences). I know he heard about the hermaphrodite thing and apparently believes I might have a penis & a mimsy. So that could be disappointing!
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Sibila

Hi Janine Janine!

Fortunately I was warned about those men by a very feminine transwoman who had a lot of experience with dating men.
I've learned only to meet guys through internet and then subject them to a subtle but millitary interrogation technic.

Because, with the majority of guys that consider dating a transwoman, there is almost always a catch.
They are secretly gay, or they are slaves and masochists and want to be dominanted by what they consider powerfull woman,
often they love to dress up themselves too, and see in us a person "just like them" and that "understands them".
It happens a lot too that a straight masculine male that likes ->-bleeped-<-'s transitions later in life...

I have changed my view on life and men.

I do not care what gender they love. As long as they are masculine and top and like me for my FEMININITY (both in character and sexual), its ok. It can be a gay man, for all I care.

I grew really tired of men calling themselves straight but longing for masculinity and seek to find  that in a transwoman!!!
and it does not help to warn them beforehand... they are often so selfish and obsessed they are willing to compromise to get what they want.

It really sucks!
I feel bad for you that this happened to you!  It almost feels like some sorth of mental rape to me.

hugs
Sibila
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Janine-Janine

That guy with strap-on txt, also, would have a habit of referring to me as 'bigger and stronger' than he was. It's true that I was bigger; 5'8" vs 5'7", he was very thin and wiry, I had some extra fat. But stronger? He could restrain me sexually quite easily, and knew it full well. But he got off on the idea of me being bigger and stronger (a fantasy) and didn't care how hurtful it was.

This was a bad experience in a lot of ways. Also that I had money for a couple of cosmetic procedures I'd wanted for years and his reaction was complete disapproval. No support whatsoever. He didn't want me to change a thing. On reflection I think he disliked the idea of me eliminating subtle clues of difference. I'm a fool. I was invested in the relationship regardless. (Even the sex was terrible. But invested I was.) It confused me and I lost my chance. I can never forgive him for that.

I've tried a dating site not do long ago, and ditto was vetting the responses (of which there were quite a few), my profile having disclosure. Unfortunately I found none of them were any different to this. NONE. But one exception, only when I said, "You DID read my profile didn't you?" - he replied, "Yes, but I don't understand it, whatever." He wanted to meet. I stopped writing to him - can't be wasting time trying to bludgeon someone with something they might not like. And I deleted the profile a while after. I might try again one of the days... or maybe not.
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Sibila

Hey Janine!

Ive invested in a relationship and after 4 years I still did not meet any of his friends or family...
which makes me feel like I have some kind of horrible disease or something.
Like I am social plague. (even though I am a kind and humble person that gets along with
a lot of people)

Ive learned that I go first in life. Even though that does not suit me and I long for a dominant but caring man in my life.
I have learned to first take care of myself and set high standards when it comes to intimacy.

Its terrible to lose your life to these kind of dissapointments! But still... I am not giving up. Just taking more care of myself now
and what I want and need in my life!

xx
Sibila
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anjaq

Quote from: Janine-Janine on September 10, 2013, 07:03:48 AM
Age isn't being particularly kind to me. But I am over 40 now. My face is somewhat inherently thin so I am finding the (inevitable) facial wasting & sagging is giving me a gauntness not appropriate to my weight and kind of vaguely masculinising (sagging also making my nice jawline look heavier which REALLY sucks). I've been experimenting with diet and also half-hearted attempts at facial exercising (I can't say this doesn't work because I haven't stuck to it properly, tbh). I think it has impacted on my passability, which was probably 95% and may have dropped to 90 in last couple of years. I did have some minor facial work I wanted to have done YEARS AGO and never managed to get done. It isn't a major deal, basically I have a disfigured nose (accident @ 20, deviated septum & ugly bump, very poor in profile) and a small but annoying lump on my neck that I KNOW gets me read as trans occasionally. (BTW this is inside of what you'll see on regular women, too, so anyone with larger almost certainly IS getting read that way - and the only reason I know is that I make a point of knowing such things as opposed to Ignorance Is Bliss - whether rightly or wrongly, this has a profound association with maleness even if a la me, it's the size of a peanut.) So anyhow, I'm depressed that age is giving me an extra bite. I lost some weight (not actually a bad thing), which caved cheeks in a bit - also made neck lump much more visible - have regained some weight but the extent to which it's gone back on my face and neck is VERY minimal, unfortunately... wish I could say the same for my waist!
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Passing all round was a very powerful motivator. I wasn't going to accept being unpassable. And this BTW, is a curse. Well, I'm not saying I'm not anyway. Just less than I might have been, so aging is a massive downer. For myself I'd appreciate any hints on facial stuff that might not involve dermal filler or whatever. The anxiety of still wanting some work past 40 is enormous. Don't look my age in some respects. But even that, I think, could be a discordance, you know, people struggling to even figure out how old I am, it strikes an odd note that makes people more curious than they might be otherwise.
Hi Janine. We just had this in another thread but this one here has age in the title, so I checked that.
I was asking there as to how it comes and what can be done that apparently for some of us aging is a thing that makes us less well perceived properly or even misgendered. This happened to me recently a few times and it was annoying. I started HRT with about 23 or 24 and things went rather ok. I rarely got into trouble in respect of that whole "passing" issue after a while. Ok, I did not try to have sexual relationships with people who did not know my past, I just cannot imagine being that intimate while keeping something that was of such a big influence of my life, but that may be jus tme. But I nearly never got misgendered and my guess is that in something like 60-80% people will not think much, the remainder may to various degree find something odd with some percentage being very aware of the existence of transpeople actually identifying me as one but keeping their mouths shut because they are tolerant of it. I feel now that this is declining with age. Now I am almost 40 and start to have wrinkles and bumps and rougher skin and I feel that this actually decreases the benefits I had when I was younger in terms of how people see me. So I am with Janine here, worrying about the possible need for transwomen who transitioned young for some procedures like FFS or therelike later in life because "passability" actually decreases? Which is especially tough if you got used to this topic not bothering you too much anymore. It feels a bit like being dragged back to a situation that was thought o have passed forever. Has anyone else experienced such a thing and what did or would you do?

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