Unaffordable Care Act

[Tatyana]

We were all lied to.  The affordable care act is not going to be affordable.  I'm learning that my health insurance is going up by as much as 200-300%. Everyone else I've talked says the same thing. I won't be able to afford a 300% increase. 

[Jamie D]

Welcome to the world of socialism, hon.

From each according to his ability.  To each according to his needs.
- Barack Marx

[Jessica Merriman]

I'm with you baby! It is set up like social security and we all know that's failing. I mean, using the young to finance the old is an exact copy of social security. How in the world are they going to fund both? By the way, good morning sister.

[mrs izzy]

We were all lied to.  The affordable care act is not going to be affordable.  I'm learning that my health insurance is going up by as much as 200-300%. Everyone else I've talked says the same thing. I won't be able to afford a 300% increase.

As in anything in life it cost money. But seems many fail to see it is the first time ever that the LGB and yes T are protected and can get insurance that will pay for things and not get discriminated against. Also there is the medicaid part that will help many, many transgender people being most of them are below the poverty level.
There is also subsidies to those of lower income tax brackets.

Is it the best. NO. can it be better, YES.

It could be like Canada/England health care and you could not find a PCP doctor and wait months for appointments for anything. Oh everyone says oh Canada is free, let me tell you it cost way more out of our pocket then what it would cost in the states. My endo is always 6-8 months out to get my appointments.

Maybe it is time for the american people to take the country back and make there own term limits. That is the trouble with our goverment, to many that have carte blanche on the senete and congress. Ever wonder why they will no put term limits in? Oh who is still getting a pay check through all this shut down stuff? Last on this point the republicans are still mad they never could get a AHA of there own and will do anything to see this fail.

Lots of luck. You need to really look into the policies and also see if you get help from the goverment in tax credits.

Izzy

[Jessica Merriman]

What's wild is our Constitution tells us to throw off our non functioning government and place new vanguards for our future.

[Jamie D]

What's wild is our Constitution tells us to throw off our non functioning government and place new vanguards for our future.

We can go back in time even further ... to the founding of the country, based on these principle:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.

[Ltl89]

Oh dear.... this again.   

[V M]

I'm surprised that Barack Obummer hasn't been impeached yet, he sure seems to be making a mess of things and pissin' a lot of people off

[Donna Elvira]

As a person living in France where absolutely everyone has obligatory medical insurance  with contribution levels directly linked to salary up to a certain maximum (a similar system exists in pretty well all the European countries) , and where poor people basically have completely free medical coverage, the debate on this subject in the US is something of a mystery.

How can a country that is as rich as the US think that it is OK for somewhere in the region of 20 million people to have no health insurance, people whose only "fault" most of the time is simply to have been born into poor circumstances or to find themselves stuck in low paying jobs that provide no medical insurance?

I am far from being a fan of Karl Marx  but with health care representing about 12% of GNP here versus around 17% in the U.S. and waiting times for most things beyond really exceptional procedures generally very short, it is hard to conclude that the "free market" system as practised in the U.S. is providing anyone with better value for money than what we get here .

All down to differences in perception about fairness I guess...
Donna



   

[Ltl89]

Oh well, I'll go enjoy the fact that I have health care because of this evil socialist law and have everyone tell me what a terrible free loader I am, despite them not knowing what I have contributed to my society and government.  I suppose I should of been more happy with 10,000 dollars in debt rather than getting on my parents insurance.  At least, I wouldn't be a socialist.  Besides, what would I know about healthcare given that almost my entire family has made their living in the medical field. 

It's getting annoying.  There is a more nuanced discussion to be had then evil law and president or amazing bill and perfect solutions.  It's neither. 

I'm surprised that Barack Obummer hasn't been impeached yet, he sure seems to be making a mess of things and pissin' a lot of people off

Why should he be impeached?  If you want a parliamentary system with a vote of no confidence, perhaps, but I'd like to see why the Affordable Care Act is a sufficient reason for impeachment.  Besides, he sort of won a huge mandate in the 2012 election and the bill passed democratically, even if everyone wants to get upset and call him a dictator.  Seriously, there are midterm elections coming up and a presidential election in 2016 for you to take the power back.  No need to overthrow democracy.

[Ltl89]

As a person living in France where absolutely everyone has obligatory medical insurance  with contribution levels directly linked to salary up to a certain maximum (a similar system exists in pretty well all the European countries) , and where poor people basically have completely free medical coverage, the debate on this subject in the US is something of a mystery.

How can a country that is as rich as the US think that it is OK for somewhere in the region of 20 million people to have no health insurance, people whose only "fault" most of the time is simply to have been born into poor circumstances or to find themselves stuck in low paying jobs that provide no medical insurance?

I am far from being a fan of Karl Marx  but with health care representing about 12% of GNP here versus around 17% in the U.S. and waiting times for most things beyond really exceptional procedures generally very short, it is hard to conclude that the "free market" system as practised in the U.S. is providing anyone with better value for money than what we get here .

All down to differences in perception about fairness I guess...
Donna

Even Sarkozy was at a loss when he heard the American reaction and he is no socialist.

[Shantel]

Oh dear.... this again.

Yes, when you finally get out on your own and become financially responsible you will learn to balk at the idea of supporting and army of willful deadbeats that refuse to support themselves and prefer to live as parasites off the hard won gains of others. Of course there is a need for a social safety net for the disabled and disadvantaged among us, but at the current rate of abuse this country is bound to collapse under the weight of it's economic obligations, and when that happens those who mindlessly parrot what their Marxist mentors at university have taught them will see the light and change their tune albeit too late.

[Ltl89]

Yes, when you finally get out on your own and become financially responsible you will learn to balk at the idea of supporting and army of willful deadbeats that refuse to support themselves and prefer to live as parasites off the hard won gains of others. Of course there is a need for a social safety net for the disabled and disadvantaged among us, but at the current rate of abuse this country is bound to collapse under the weight of it's economic obligations, and when that happens those who mindlessly parrot what their Marxist mentors at university have taught them will see the light and change their tune albeit too late.

Thanks for the compliment Shantel. 

[Ms. OBrien CVT]

I am one of those who the ACA will actually help.  I have no income despite having training in veterinary medicine.  I am too young for Medicare or Medicaid.  I have no healthcare, but I do have my medicine covered.

As the only industrialized country that does not have a national healthcare, the United States is behind the times.  And why?  Because the insurance and drug companies don't want it, because they will loss profits.  Healthcare costs to the general public will go up, because these companies don't wish to loss money.  They are punishing their customers for having to cover the ACA.

This country is in a mess because of the amount of money that corporations have spent to keep it that way.  Yes it is time to take this country back and set it up as it was.

[Ltl89]

I'm a deadbeat who just got a job and is helping their mother save our childhood home.  Thanks.  And no my mentors aren't marxists.  It's insulting that you make such terrible assumptions about me and also hurtful.   

[Danielle Emmalee]

Yes, when you finally get out on your own and become financially responsible you will learn to balk at the idea of supporting and army of willful deadbeats that refuse to support themselves and prefer to live as parasites off the hard won gains of others. Of course there is a need for a social safety net for the disabled and disadvantaged among us, but at the current rate of abuse this country is bound to collapse under the weight of it's economic obligations, and when that happens those who mindlessly parrot what their Marxist mentors at university have taught them will see the light and change their tune albeit too late.

It amazes me that people think the government is still the right group for the job of deciding who gets social assistance and who doesn't.  They follow simple, robotic, impersonal protocols and yet are still extremely inefficient at doing anything.  Give bigger tax breaks to people and corporations who donate to NGOs that actually have the ability to do the job that the government is so useless at.  Maybe I'm just crazy....

[Jamie D]

Yes, when you finally get out on your own and become financially responsible you will learn to balk at the idea of supporting and army of willful deadbeats that refuse to support themselves and prefer to live as parasites off the hard won gains of others. Of course there is a need for a social safety net for the disabled and disadvantaged among us, but at the current rate of abuse this country is bound to collapse under the weight of it's economic obligations, and when that happens those who mindlessly parrot what their Marxist mentors at university have taught them will see the light and change their tune albeit too late.

Well, that safety net exists.  There is not a person in the United States that can be legally turned away from a public hospital.

The question in this case is whether another gigantic bureaucracy, and drain on a already bankrupt polity, is the essence of of good government, or whether the government has finally become destructive and despotic.

Each and every one of us already owes the creditors of the United States over $50,000.  I would like it if the Federal government would no longer borrows money in my name.

[Heather]

It amazes me that people think the government is still the right group for the job of deciding who gets social assistance and who doesn't.  They follow simple, robotic, impersonal protocols and yet are still extremely inefficient at doing anything.  Give bigger tax breaks to people and corporations who donate to NGOs that actually have the ability to do the job that the government is so useless at. Maybe I'm just crazy....

I think governments are just useless period.

[Shantel]

Thanks for the compliment Shantel.

There was no intent to insult you LtL, you know I care for you as well as everyone else here, I'm just dealing with reality. Our nation's leadership on both sides of the political spectrum continues to squander the nation's wealth giving away billions in money borrowed from China and elsewhere to enemy nations that have vowed to destroy us, pissing away billions on grants for ridiculous studies and continues to print money with virtually nothing to back it like pre-war Germany. Perhaps once this trend stops then we might be solvent enough to consider a national health care program, but even that would require a much bigger slice of each individual's income. Personally I wouldn't care to have upwards of 70% of my income taxed the way they stick it to some people in Europe just so that some non-working person can have health care.

[Ltl89]

I'm leaving this topic.  If you want the law overturned, win an election.  Get control of both houses and the presidency.  Show that you don't have the majority and enforce it.  Instead of simply complaining about democracy and your lack of power, win the election next time.  It's funny how people quote the Constitution and Declaration of Independence yet mock the entire principal of democratic elections. 

I appreciate all views but I make a point to support everyone here without making it personal.  I've made a point to be friends with everyone from different backgrounds.  However, I ask those who are older to consider some things.  Try being a recent college grad in this economy and tell me what it's like.  Try having a degree in an oversaturated market that doesn't want to even hire people for entry level jobs.  Try sending close to 1,000 resumes with few call backs. Don't insult what you haven't been through because it's no longer the same market.  It's not easy getting a simple job nowadays and it isn't the fault of everyone young.  We didn't make the mess, but we are the ones who suffer for the sins of our elders.  I'm lucky to have found something and grateful because I know just how hard it is out there.