TG prisoner sues corrections dept.

[Chaunte]

http://www.ebar.com/news/article.php?sec=news&article=1957

TG prisoner sues corrections dept. 
Published 06/28/2007 Bay Area Reporter
by Heather Cassell


A lawsuit filed against the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation for its failure to protect a transgender prisoner from sexual assault could alter policies and procedures pertaining to housing and treatment of incarcerated transgender individuals.

[Hazumu]

I belive the line of thought that gets TG prisoners put into the general population where they are abused can be discerned from the below quote via the TYFA newsletter, Volume 1 (scroll to bottom of document.)

"I suggest, indeed, letting children who wish go to school in clothes of the opposite sex - but not counseling other children to not tease them or hurt their feelings.

On the contrary, don't interfere, and let the other children ridicule the child who has lost that clear boundary between play-acting at home and the reality needs of the outside world. Maybe, in this way, the child will re-establish that necessary boundary.

It is a mistake for various interfering, ignorant and biased busybodies to try to 'counsel' the other children into accepting the abnormal. It is very healthy to be able to draw the line between what is healthy and what is sick."

Joseph Berger
NARTH Scientific Advisory Member
www.narth.com

Yeah, maybe if they get a taste of reality, it will 'straighten' them out.

Yeah...

right...

Karen

[Thundra]

Bastards!

I hope somebody gets fired for this nonsense. It's so stupid that a trial should only be a formality to see how much $$$ they get.








edit: Rule 11 profanity - Karen

[RebeccaFog]

As usual, I couldn't read the entire article. It was much too disturbing for me.

I don't know. I don't understand such terrible cruelty.

It's nice to know that such cruel jerks like that Narth guy can blithely express their cruel opinions within the scientific community.

[Seshatneferw]

Well, an organisation calling itself the National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality does not give an impression of aiming at objectivity in its research. A quick browse through their web site makes at least me suspect that this is yet another group who attempts to present their bigotry as science.

But yes, the article made me about equal parts enraged, depressed and wanting to throw up.

  Nfr

[Hazumu]

After some more looking, I did not find the original article but I found a discussion on this Ex-Gay Watch page.

Essentially, "Dr" Berger's comments sickened and disgusted enough other people that a firestorm of sorts erupted and the NARTHians were forced to assume the defensive posture, revising the blog where the statement appeared when they thought no-one was looking (and hopng the change would go unnoticed,) and performing the political tap-dance to the oh-too-familiar fundamental conservative tune of "It's Not My Fault".

Yet, my life experience tells me that attitude remains and will need to be fought off again and again.

Karen

[Rachael]

ugh, LET people bully trans children? o hahaha, effing hell, clear boundries? mine are clear as day, im not going a bit extra from playacting at home. ugh, people like him make me sick...

and the rape bit: yeah, its jail for trans folk, usually it can be made easier by playing the game, sometimes it just sucks.

[RebeccaFog]

ugh, LET people bully trans children? o hahaha, effing hell, clear boundries? mine are clear as day, im not going a bit extra from playacting at home. ugh, people like him make me sick...

and the rape bit: yeah, its jail for trans folk, usually it can be made easier by playing the game, sometimes it just sucks.

There is no way I could play the game.  There is no way I could live in jail.

[Rachael]

if i were to be send to prison, which in itself is an unlikely situation, as i'm a very well behaved citizen who intends to join the police force, and a such is keeping her record spotless. (not that i have one). BUT, if i were to go to prison, in my current state, of not being ft long enough or post op, id go to a mens jail, i look like a girl. So i must either do something to get myself in solitery. make myself sick, or play the game and find someone powerful to protect me. Id rather not be beaten and gang raped, its avoidable, and safer to play the game. Id rather do that than wind up dead.

[RebeccaFog]

if i were to be send to prison, which in itself is an unlikely situation, as i'm a very well behaved citizen who intends to join the police force, and a such is keeping her record spotless. (not that i have one). BUT, if i were to go to prison, in my current state, of not being ft long enough or post op, id go to a mens jail, i look like a girl. So i must either do something to get myself in solitery. make myself sick, or play the game and find someone powerful to protect me. Id rather not be beaten and gang raped, its avoidable, and safer to play the game. Id rather do that than wind up dead.

I'm not strong enough to play the game.  I have absolutely no social political skills.  I would do more than to make myself sick.

[LostInTime]

I would never end up in prison because I will never allow myself to be arrested.

Being law abiding means nothing these days. I have had a few friends arrested and thrown in jail on really bad "evidence" and it really came down to the crime of being different from the rednecks. I used to donate $$$ to the PBA but no more. Between the trolling with the so called DUI or seat belt checkpoints and the continuing militarization of the forces, I can no longer support them in any way, shape, or form.

[Thundra]

About NARTH
"Helping clients bring their desires and behaviors
into harmony with their values"

Try and digest THAT for a moment.

I checked out their website. They post articles that seem to contradict one another. But that is OK as long as the endgame is to prove that homosexuality is not normal and can be cured.

Homosexuality is the new, hotter wedge issue, trumping race as the hot button that brings out the flat-worlders to sign their "X."

Posted on: June 29, 2007, 01:11:07 PM
I'm hoping that it escalates into a full scale civil war before long. There can be no peaceful co-existence between two groups where one believes that the other is inferior and evil. No, just like the race card, this will get ugly before it gets better.

[RebeccaFog]

I wonder how the flat worlders would fare in prison?

[Hazumu]

IF you believe the flat-earthers are unable to sign with a cursive script because they are uneducated,

IF you believe that President Bush is incompetent,

Then you've made their mission easier to accomplish.  They ARE educated -- often shockingly so.  They DO have exceedingly good analytical skills which allow them to buttress their positions and refute any other position that doesn't fit theirs.

And you have dismissed them and turned your back on them as not worthy of watching.

They will not change.

We need, though, to convince the fence-sitters to join our side.  Then we need to work to make sure they don't go back on the fence or, worse, go over to the other side.

<ahem> I now return you to your regularly-scheduled topic...

Karen

[Rachael]

I would never end up in prison because I will never allow myself to be arrested.

Being law abiding means nothing these days. I have had a few friends arrested and thrown in jail on really bad "evidence" and it really came down to the crime of being different from the rednecks. I used to donate $$$ to the PBA but no more. Between the trolling with the so called DUI or seat belt checkpoints and the continuing militarization of the forces, I can no longer support them in any way, shape, or form.

yes following the law means something: Dont drink if your going to drive, and wear your seatbelt? whats such a big deal about them? you make it out like they can prove things that arnt true...
although i admit the uk is differnet, we are taught to wear our seatbelts, and its just second nature.
DUI=dont drink and drive
seatbelts=wear it, afterall, it is safer.
militerisation of the police forces=has no effect on what you can be arrested for.

Point being, if you have nothing to hide or worry about, you are fine, fact.

[RebeccaFog]

I would never end up in prison because I will never allow myself to be arrested.

Being law abiding means nothing these days. I have had a few friends arrested and thrown in jail on really bad "evidence" and it really came down to the crime of being different from the rednecks. I used to donate $$$ to the PBA but no more. Between the trolling with the so called DUI or seat belt checkpoints and the continuing militarization of the forces, I can no longer support them in any way, shape, or form.

yes following the law means something: Dont drink if your going to drive, and wear your seatbelt? whats such a big deal about them? you make it out like they can prove things that arnt true...
although i admit the uk is differnet, we are taught to wear our seatbelts, and its just second nature.
DUI=dont drink and drive
seatbelts=wear it, afterall, it is safer.
militerisation of the police forces=has no effect on what you can be arrested for.

Point being, if you have nothing to hide or worry about, you are fine, fact.

   Well unlike you easy going lounge chair fillers in the UK, we in the US like to arrest innocent people and sometimes even execute them. You got a problem with that? Take it up our criminal government.

[that was meant as a joke. Please don't hurt me. ]

[Rachael]

* Rachael smells a case of ->-bleeped-<- cop hating....   

[Thundra]

Point being, if you have nothing to hide or worry about, you are fine, fact.

Well unlike you easy going lounge chair fillers in the UK, we in the US like to arrest innocent people and sometimes even execute them. You got a problem with that? Take it up our criminal government.

* Rachael smells a case of ->-bleeped-<- cop hating....   

Rachel is WAYYYYYYY off base. It's obvious to me, that the people that live in the UK, live in a completely different environment than that of the US. Our police forces have guns, and kill people for no reason, and than fail to even see a reason to apologize after the fact. They throw people into jail cells with other people that they know will maim, mutilate, rape and kill them, just for entertainment value in many cases. Our police forces are trained in profiling, and stop and harrass people just based on who they are seen with, or how they dress. It's gotten much more manic since 911 too. The people in the US have lost their collective minds.

As someone that has been in a car, stopped for "driving while black," I can tell you that " if you have nothing to hide or worry about" you are in fact, NOT fine, and THAT is a fact as well, here in amerika. There are many of us here in the US, that will not surrender to police, because to do so would be like committing suicide. If you go in, you probably ain't coming out alive.

Police here are no longer a civil force enabled by the people to help others in need. They are a paramilitary trained force in the control of the government, and therefore, the special interests that control that government. What you people across the pond do not understand, is that this country is on the brink of a major schism that could lead to another civil war.

We are not the "melting pot" that we were when I was a child. We are a fragmented coalition of regional values that can barely communicate with one another. Now, having said all of that,
RF's POV is accurate for many of us over here. We are afraid of our own security forces. And even if you have done nothing wrong, you have to watch your back.

[RebeccaFog]

I know.  Seriously.

   There's been more than one instance here of the police pumping about 40 bullets into unarmed men in the last decade.  They will still handcuff a guy and then beat the hell out of him with clubs.  This ain't no disco, kids.

   The worst part is that they will knowingly put harmless, or at least defenseless people into a cell that contains about a dozen filthy animals.

   In most cases, they are probably more than happy to feed TG people to the beasts.

   I consider myself fortunate. Whenever I've been arrested, I've been very polite and received mostly politeness back.  Just so you don't think of me as a troublemaker, I haven't been arrested for over 20 years.  I happen to live in a more civilized part of the country. My arrests were mostly for kid stuff and driving violations.

   I like to pretend to myself that Thundra's civil war won't happen. but sometimes, the air is just plain weird over here. I prefer to believe that after a few election cycles, maybe the flat worlders will have lost their children to reason.

[LostInTime]

Actually it is violent in the UK and even moreso. The reason why their crime stats were so deflated was that when looking into crimes, multiples by the same person or group of persons only counted as one crime whereas in the US each instance was counted separately. A number of years ago the UK started changing the way they calculated crime and the crime rates to more closely match the FBI in the US. The result was a false surge in crime stats, in reality what happened was a more accurate count with a slight increase. Back then a woman was twice as likely to be raped in the UK vs the US.

Why does crime seem to be so out of control in both areas? Simply put it is the drug trade. Prostitution and a lot of violent crime follows the drug trade everywhere not to mention that many junkies will turn to theft to pay for the habit. This increases violent crime such as assault and murder plus increases property crime. When they socio-economics slide then crime increases.

Gun crime is a rare crime in the scheme of things. That is why it gets so much press in the US. In any given year there are only 11-12% of all counties in the US that experiences gun crime. There are roughly 600 defensive gun uses per day in the United States.This was found by someone who had been anti-gun and since turned about. Two other anti-gun researches triedd th to duplicate his research and were astounded when their DGU numbers were coming in higher. However, they were not gathering data from as many sources. Research done also shows that in 98%+ of the time a firearm does not need to be fired to protect life and/or property. That is why we do not read about DGUs; in today's media the old line of "if it bleeds, it leads" has become THE mantra of the news media. Private citizens are more likely to hit their target when compared to the police forces (~85%v75%).

Let's take a closer look at violent crime in the US. It typically makes up 30% of all reported crime and has the highest "solved" percentage. Bank robberies, murders, etc are typically solved and the cases closed except in the rarest of cases. The research I conducted, at that time, suggested that the close rate is about 80%. So who commits violent crime? Most of violent crime is carried out by not just a minority of the population but a minority if the criminal population. One report suggested that 70%+ of violent crime is committed by just 5% of the criminal population. The perpetrator(s) has probably been in prison before, will carry out 15 felonies in his or her lifetime, and is probably under state supervision when they commit a violent crime. In 97% of all shootings drugs and/or alcohol are present in at least one person involved in the crime. Young perps are likely to be part of a gang and are likely to shoot and/or be shot while confronting other gangs.

Enter into the fray laws that are used to violate civil liberties. The original $10K limit that triggered an account being investigated by the FBI was passed to combat drug dealers. The limit has since been dropped to $5K and the Dept of Homeland Security has been freezing accounts left and right. Most of the frozen assets are because the DHS cannot handle the flood of Patriot Act requests that the bank is submitting. Cameras are being set up all over the place (NY police scream that they simply do not have enough cameras to watch everyone) and are not just being used to look for terrorists but to also monitor and ticket red light violators (never mind if you had to break one law to avoid a life threatening accident) and to also monitor and ticket speeders as well. We live in an age where a subpoena does not need to be issued before your life is turned upside down, where "secret" evidence does not have to be listed, and you can be held without charges until someone notices that you are gone and then screams loud enough to help you out. Our computers can be tapped at any time and for any reason, just as long as those in charge swear that it is for the public good.

The traffic stops I was complaining about? Why should I be stopped when I have done nothing wrong? Why should I be detained for an hour because LEOs want to have time to tease the T-chick behind the wheel? Why should I be treated like a criminal when the most I have ever done to break the law is go over the speed limit?

Law are passed against the most unpopular segments of society and then gradually broadened to include everyone else. In FL a gun law was tossed off the books because it was proved in court that it was never intended to be used against the white population. It was to stop immigrants and blacks from being able to protect themselves by people and groups like the KKK. Many other gun laws are rooted in that racism. When are the people going to stand up and show that they can think for themselves and are willing to start taking more responsibility for their own lives and the lives of their families? When will we finally stand and say that harassing law abiding citizens is wrong is should stop?

Research across the decades can be found in the FBI Uniform Crime reports and the Bureau of Justice Statistics as well as several universities and other research think tanks.