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Started by RobinGee, November 24, 2013, 07:53:27 AM

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RobinGee

I'm not trying to be down on myself here.

I was born male, I'e cross-dressed on and off for much of my life, although its been more a sexual fantasy, and not even actually dressing up.  I'm going through a lot of mental upheaval, and suffering from depression.  I'm being treated for depression.  I'm also having a severe increase of TG feelings.

My personal hygiene sucks.  I shower once every several weeks.  I style my short hair to go to work by wetting it and roughly brushing it in place.  I don't shave out of laziness most of the time..  (I have a pathetic scraggly beard)  I have severe dental issues, and probably bad breath.

I think this is born out of a "if I can 't be a pretty girl, why bother" idea in my subconscious.

I just wanted to see if anyone else has felt like this, or if anyone has any ideas on how I can help myself.
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MaryXYX

I shaved every day because I had a routine.  I showered once a week - again a routine.  My dress sense was usually "top tee-shirt on the pile".

You might not like the solution, but I never thought about a solution.  Now I see myself as an attractive older woman and I care for myself.  For me it was all about self respect.
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Beth Andrea

Start with small steps to overcome the bad habits you've developed...I would suggest to shower at least once a week, more if you can. Write it on the calendar to remind you. Bathing isn't about beauty, it's a basic hygiene action.

Brushing your teeth is the same...fyi, you may bleed on the gums the first week or so...brush lightly. As soon as possible, increase the frequency to once a day. Then introduce flossing (the key to keeping your teeth for your entire life). And mouthwash + gargling should help with the breath. Drink lots of water, too. Dehydration contributes the having breath odors.

And shave, even just once. Once you see how good you look when you're clean, you'll know...even if bathing doesn't make you look like a beautiful woman, it sure does put you closer to a successful transition should you choose to go that route.
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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Michelle123

I have a similar situation in that, while I have always taken care of my health, I tend to ignore how I look.  Like if I never look in a mirror it doesn't matter.  I wonder if I did transition, would I put in the necessary hours in front of a mirror in order to make it all work?

My advice would be to build healthy habits.  When I am sitting in front of my computer(which is a lot), no one can see me and I can't see myself either.  Does it really matter what I look like?  You can be anti-social and still have a manageable life.  But being unhealthy just leads to misery.  And if you do ever transition, healthy habits will support that as well.  Buy a juicer and use it.

I am trying to decide if it is worth it to me to make the seemingly Herculean effort to transition myself.  I may not put much effort into my male image, but I will be as healthy as I can be.
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musicofthenight

Quote from: particle on November 24, 2013, 07:53:27 AM
I think this is born out of a "if I can 't be a pretty girl, why bother" idea in my subconscious.

I just wanted to see if anyone else has felt like this, or if anyone has any ideas on how I can help myself.

Yep.

Well, for me it's more "no, I'd rather not make myself 'handsome' " but very similar idea.  Now that I've learned I can do androgyne pretty (just for myself in the mirror) it's a lot easier to care.

A lot of cosmetic products, even basic stuff like soap and shaving cream are complete junk - and this goes double for men's stuff.  Smelly industrialized dog-pooh; I was very happy to finally be rid of it.


I'm not saying Dr. Bronner's All-One Magic is a cure-all, but it is a nice soap liquid soap reasonably priced.  Pair it with a leave-in conditioner, a cheap nylon scrubby-pouf thing, and a fine-tooth comb.

The Bronner's conditioner is oil (coconut, jojoba, hemp) mixed with water and alcohol and a little soaptree and xanthan goo to hold it together.  While not critical with short hair, it'll reduce dandruff for now and protect your hair if you want to grow it out.  Conditioner also softens beards, though some ingredients give some people pimples sometimes.  Bronner's should be pretty good, but if you're curious googling "comedogenic ingredients" will give some pointers.

Conditioner is more important than shampoo.  It's a little like waxing a car - good wax and dust will mostly rinse off.  If you wash the wax off (shampoo is quite effective at this) it needs to be replaced.  Also, dry hair will make your scalp to re-oil it, and tends to look greasy while this is happening.


Shaving, I'm still waiting for my new kit to arrive, but traditional wet-shaving is supposed to be a lot more pleasant and effective.  I'll have more to say after I've learned to do it more or less properly.
What do you care what other people think? ~Arlene Feynman
trans-tom / androgyne / changes profile just for fun


he... -or- she... -or (hard mode)- yo/em/er/ers
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Jill F

That was me just over 2 years ago.

I was probably about 280 pounds at 6 foot 2.  I was angry, irritable, moody and depressed all the time.  I drank a lot. I didn't care one bit about what I looked like, and I wore sweatpants and dirty t-shirts with holes every day.  Personal hygiene got pretty lousy as well.   I wore baseball hats backward with a ratty pony tail and unkempt goatee.   I started to look like Comic Book Guy from The Simpsons.  I knew deep down I could never look or feel the way I wanted to, so I gave up and became indifferent to whether I lived or died.  Actually, entertaining thoughts of an early grave was something that gave me solace.  I was like the walking dead, an empty shell of a guy who did his best to kill off his true essence that could never be expressed or explored, let alone spoken of.  Or so I thought.

The years of neglect finally caught up to me in 2011.   LIttle did I know that my colon was on the verge of rupturing from extreme diverticulitis, and I suddenly couldn't eat much of anything.  There were days that I was doubled over in bed in extreme pain, but I sucked it up and carried on without seeing a doctor for weeks.  I became extremely dehydrated and started to live on Gatorade.   Then there was unexplained vomiting and bladder cramps, and I began to urinate blood.   I felt better some days and held out until a bladder infection became impossible to ignore. 

A week later I finally saw a doctor, something I hadn't done in over a decade.   Of course I was handed to the worst doctor I've ever encountered.   I got a battery of blood tests, urine tests and dumb questions along with a lecture I wasn't in the mood to hear (and with my ADD, I probably didn't actually hear much).  I got my antibiotic prescription and was sent home.   A few days later, the test results came in.  Urinary tract infection with every nasty bug in the world, and severe DIABETES.  My heart sank and I cried.  All of the years of neglect and self-abuse had finally caught up to me, but the silver lining was that I discovered that I actually deep down wanted to live.  If I died young, so be it, but I wasn't going down without a fight, and I was going to fight it hard. 

I immediately quit smoking (for good!) and drinking, and began eating healthy with whatever exercise I could handle.   I had already gone down to 250 pounds, and my weight was plummeting rapidly.   As the antibiotics started working, another symptom occurred- every time I urinated, I'd expel gas from my urethra.   This was really scary to me, but my idiot doctor just shrugged it off.   I was referred to a urologist, who knew right away what it was- a colovesical fistula.  So, if you're keeping score now, I was obese, had diabetes, diverticulitis, a fistula and needed surgery before peritonitis set in, which carries a 10% chance of death, and if you live, a colostomy.  The good news was that my blood sugar got low enough that I was able to get off of one diabetes medication almost right away, and by the time I went to surgery my weight was down to 225.  I was, in the words of Charlie Sheen, winning.

The surgery was a success.  A really talented surgeon laparascopically removed 2 feet of colon, unstuck it from my bladder and repaired the fistula without a need for a colostomy.   I rotted in the hospital for an entire week without a shower.  I smelled horrible, and that first shower and shave when I got home was the best one in my entire life.  I have never gone a day without since.   The good news was that I was already down to 215 pounds and my blood sugar was not only normal, it was actually pretty good.  I'm pretty sure now I was never actually diabetic in the first place- the chronic infection and Gatorade diet caused hyperglycemia.   That doctor damn near killed me, if I hadn't already done so on my own.

Two months later I was pretty much fully recovered and down to 195 pounds.  My wife began referring to me as "skeletal", as I have a huge frame that muscles once stuck to.  I kept up daily exercise, ate well and promised I'd take better care of myself forever.   Something still wasn't right, as my last remaining medical issue was going from a small voice in the background to an angry woman screaming bloody murder.   The urge to present myself as female went from something I could ignore and suppress to something that was causing me great emotional pain.   Every day I went for a walk, I'd see myself in all of the women around me.  I wanted a female body so badly it hurt, and I really wanted to wear cute outfits, makeup and shoes.   At this point, I just wanted to scream.  I started drinking again.  Since my body was getting back in shape, I tried buying nice male clothes that even bordered on androgynous.  I ditched the holey t-shirts and sweatpants.  I started to pride myself on my new appearance, and began referring to myself as Greg 2.0.  I spent the summer of 2012 working construction on my own redesigned kitchen, and I put on 20 pounds of solid beefcake muscle.  The excess testosterone caused a jump in the dysphoria, and I started to drink it away.  By October, the dysphoria was off the chart.  I knew I needed to be a girl sometimes and I wept frequently because of it.   I still couldn't really admit to myself that I was transgender and kept going back to my usual coping mechanisms.  My wife, liking the new androgynous beefcake rocker look decided one day that I'd look good in "guyliner" to set off my blue-green eyes, so she put it on me after I briefly faked a protest.  I will never forget what I saw in the mirror that night- a sad, sad woman looking back at me.  I knew for sure I was gender variant of some kind, and could finally start to admit it to myself, but I didn't know if or how I could ever tell my wife.  I started drinking dangerous amounts and ended up hospitalized twice.  My wife knew something was really wrong with me mentally, and she really feared losing me again.  I finally told her the truth as I understood it, as I thought I really had nothing left to lose.  I told her that I must be some kind of androgyne or bigendered, and only really needed to present female at times.  I finally presented fully femme on the night of Thanksgiving 2012, as I finally shaved my beard off after company left.  It felt great, but I knew somehow that dressing occasionally wasn't going to cut it in the end.  I began seeing a gender therapist in December who told me that I needed a low dose of estrogen on top of antidepressants and antianxiety meds, as I fit the profile of a late onset transsexual perfectly.  If the estrogen made my mood worse, then I wouldn't have to worry about transitioning and coming out, and on some level I hoped she was wrong.  When I finally got the estrogen, however, it was like the proverbial magic bullet, and I gradually began to accept the fact that I am a transsexual and needed to make it permanent. 

I finally like what I see in the mirror now, and I know it's only going to get better with more time.   If a mostly-dead-inside-big-fat-middle-aged-smelly-scruffy-troll-with-a-death-wish like me can turn into my avatar picture, anyone can.   And yes, I will continue to work on my appearance until I am too cute for words.

You can do this. 
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Robin Mack

I echo these posts, both of commiseration and advice.  During the denial phase of my life (the first 39 years) I'd have bouts of working on my hygiene from time to time, but never consistently, usually just 1-4 months of decent cleanliness at a time.

Accepting myself as "genderqueer" helped a lot... I began to shave my chest, legs, face (yeah, before I had a beard I would trim when I thought about it and felt like it) and armpits  and enjoy what few curves I had; this meant bathing or at least showering daily to prevent stubble.  Since ending my denial and embracing my transgender status, I have found it is easy to add steps like exfoliating and moisturizing my face.  Suddenly I understand why I hated my body before and wanted to hide it.  And now I see that I need to do my best to care for it; it will be the base for the gender appropriate body to come.  :)

I hope this helps, and I wish you joy and peace in your journey. 
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JordanBlue

Quote from: Jill F on December 02, 2013, 03:36:11 PM
That was me just over 2 years ago.

I was probably about 280 pounds at 6 foot 2.  I was angry, irritable, moody and depressed all the time.  I drank a lot. I didn't care one bit about what I looked like, and I wore sweatpants and dirty t-shirts with holes every day.  Personal hygiene got pretty lousy as well.   I wore baseball hats backward with a ratty pony tail and unkempt goatee.   I started to look like Comic Book Guy from The Simpsons.  I knew deep down I could never look or feel the way I wanted to, so I gave up and became indifferent to whether I lived or died.  Actually, entertaining thoughts of an early grave was something that gave me solace.  I was like the walking dead, an empty shell of a guy who did his best to kill off his true essence that could never be expressed or explored, let alone spoken of.  Or so I thought.

The years of neglect finally caught up to me in 2011.   LIttle did I know that my colon was on the verge of rupturing from extreme diverticulitis, and I suddenly couldn't eat much of anything.  There were days that I was doubled over in bed in extreme pain, but I sucked it up and carried on without seeing a doctor for weeks.  I became extremely dehydrated and started to live on Gatorade.   Then there was unexplained vomiting and bladder cramps, and I began to urinate blood.   I felt better some days and held out until a bladder infection became impossible to ignore. 

A week later I finally saw a doctor, something I hadn't done in over a decade.   Of course I was handed to the worst doctor I've ever encountered.   I got a battery of blood tests, urine tests and dumb questions along with a lecture I wasn't in the mood to hear (and with my ADD, I probably didn't actually hear much).  I got my antibiotic prescription and was sent home.   A few days later, the test results came in.  Urinary tract infection with every nasty bug in the world, and severe DIABETES.  My heart sank and I cried.  All of the years of neglect and self-abuse had finally caught up to me, but the silver lining was that I discovered that I actually deep down wanted to live.  If I died young, so be it, but I wasn't going down without a fight, and I was going to fight it hard. 

I immediately quit smoking (for good!) and drinking, and began eating healthy with whatever exercise I could handle.   I had already gone down to 250 pounds, and my weight was plummeting rapidly.   As the antibiotics started working, another symptom occurred- every time I urinated, I'd expel gas from my urethra.   This was really scary to me, but my idiot doctor just shrugged it off.   I was referred to a urologist, who knew right away what it was- a colovesical fistula.  So, if you're keeping score now, I was obese, had diabetes, diverticulitis, a fistula and needed surgery before peritonitis set in, which carries a 10% chance of death, and if you live, a colostomy.  The good news was that my blood sugar got low enough that I was able to get off of one diabetes medication almost right away, and by the time I went to surgery my weight was down to 225.  I was, in the words of Charlie Sheen, winning.

The surgery was a success.  A really talented surgeon laparascopically removed 2 feet of colon, unstuck it from my bladder and repaired the fistula without a need for a colostomy.   I rotted in the hospital for an entire week without a shower.  I smelled horrible, and that first shower and shave when I got home was the best one in my entire life.  I have never gone a day without since.   The good news was that I was already down to 215 pounds and my blood sugar was not only normal, it was actually pretty good.  I'm pretty sure now I was never actually diabetic in the first place- the chronic infection and Gatorade diet caused hyperglycemia.   That doctor damn near killed me, if I hadn't already done so on my own.

Two months later I was pretty much fully recovered and down to 195 pounds.  My wife began referring to me as "skeletal", as I have a huge frame that muscles once stuck to.  I kept up daily exercise, ate well and promised I'd take better care of myself forever.   Something still wasn't right, as my last remaining medical issue was going from a small voice in the background to an angry woman screaming bloody murder.   The urge to present myself as female went from something I could ignore and suppress to something that was causing me great emotional pain.   Every day I went for a walk, I'd see myself in all of the women around me.  I wanted a female body so badly it hurt, and I really wanted to wear cute outfits, makeup and shoes.   At this point, I just wanted to scream.  I started drinking again.  Since my body was getting back in shape, I tried buying nice male clothes that even bordered on androgynous.  I ditched the holey t-shirts and sweatpants.  I started to pride myself on my new appearance, and began referring to myself as Greg 2.0.  I spent the summer of 2012 working construction on my own redesigned kitchen, and I put on 20 pounds of solid beefcake muscle.  The excess testosterone caused a jump in the dysphoria, and I started to drink it away.  By October, the dysphoria was off the chart.  I knew I needed to be a girl sometimes and I wept frequently because of it.   I still couldn't really admit to myself that I was transgender and kept going back to my usual coping mechanisms.  My wife, liking the new androgynous beefcake rocker look decided one day that I'd look good in "guyliner" to set off my blue-green eyes, so she put it on me after I briefly faked a protest.  I will never forget what I saw in the mirror that night- a sad, sad woman looking back at me.  I knew for sure I was gender variant of some kind, and could finally start to admit it to myself, but I didn't know if or how I could ever tell my wife.  I started drinking dangerous amounts and ended up hospitalized twice.  My wife knew something was really wrong with me mentally, and she really feared losing me again.  I finally told her the truth as I understood it, as I thought I really had nothing left to lose.  I told her that I must be some kind of androgyne or bigendered, and only really needed to present female at times.  I finally presented fully femme on the night of Thanksgiving 2012, as I finally shaved my beard off after company left.  It felt great, but I knew somehow that dressing occasionally wasn't going to cut it in the end.  I began seeing a gender therapist in December who told me that I needed a low dose of estrogen on top of antidepressants and antianxiety meds, as I fit the profile of a late onset transsexual perfectly.  If the estrogen made my mood worse, then I wouldn't have to worry about transitioning and coming out, and on some level I hoped she was wrong.  When I finally got the estrogen, however, it was like the proverbial magic bullet, and I gradually began to accept the fact that I am a transsexual and needed to make it permanent. 

I finally like what I see in the mirror now, and I know it's only going to get better with more time.   If a mostly-dead-inside-big-fat-middle-aged-smelly-scruffy-troll-with-a-death-wish like me can turn into my avatar picture, anyone can.   And yes, I will continue to work on my appearance until I am too cute for words.

You can do this.

Jill
My God, how is it even remotely possible that my story is so close to yours? I'm at 290 pounds now.  I'm a life long musician/drummer (you already know that). I engaged in a myriad of mindlessly stupid stunts which I now realize were death wishes.  Including once chugging an entire fifth of Jack Daniels (that one almost killed me).  Anger, depression, road rage, etc. I have managed to shove the dysphoria back down as it's surfaced thru the years...till now, and I can't hide any longer.  Tomorrow morning, 9am...appointment with my GT...I think my whole world is about to change.  This is the start of the journey.
Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly...
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RobinGee

I'm getting an appointment after I tell my wife
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Jamie D

Quote from: particle on November 24, 2013, 07:53:27 AM
I'm not trying to be down on myself here.

I was born male, I'e cross-dressed on and off for much of my life, although its been more a sexual fantasy, and not even actually dressing up.  I'm going through a lot of mental upheaval, and suffering from depression.  I'm being treated for depression.  I'm also having a severe increase of TG feelings.

My personal hygiene sucks.  I shower once every several weeks.  I style my short hair to go to work by wetting it and roughly brushing it in place.  I don't shave out of laziness most of the time..  (I have a pathetic scraggly beard)  I have severe dental issues, and probably bad breath.

I think this is born out of a "if I can 't be a pretty girl, why bother" idea in my subconscious.

I just wanted to see if anyone else has felt like this, or if anyone has any ideas on how I can help myself.

So, I guess the question is, which of those thing are impossible to change?

You were born male, okay ...

<crickets>
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