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Got a bit of a shock tonight...

Started by Sharon Lynn, November 29, 2013, 11:52:57 PM

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Sharon Lynn

Long story short, we had the family Thanksgiving dinner tonight.  My son (he's 16 atm) rode back home with me (family's too big for one car...) to help me get my mother-in-law to her apartment.  After we dropped her off and were on the way home, we started talking.

I don't remember how it all started, but he knows about my dysphoria, as does my wife, my mom, and one of my friends.  Nobody else knows.  He basically came out to me tonight that he has the same problem I do.  I wish I could say I was surprised, but I strongly suspected it for a couple years at least.  He's fine right now, it's not eating at him (yet), but I'm really at a loss for what to do.  You see, when I look at him I see me and it's been that way for a long time.  I know it's gonna get him eventually and I don't want to see him go through all the crap I went through to try to hide it, deny it, and try to dismiss it; yet, until it does really start hitting him hard, I'm afraid to do anything about it.  It started almost exactly the same way with me... a small nagging feeling that grew and grew until I couldn't take it any more.  If he follows like I think he will, he's got a couple years at most before it starts hitting him hard.  And he's embarrassed beyond belief right now... what to do, what to do....
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Sophia Hawke

Don't they have puberty blockers now?  Take him to a therapist and tell him to find out what he wants to do about those feelings. 

I sure wish I had you as a parent when I was that age instead of two hyperchristians.  Let him figure it out now and give him as much support as you can.   If I had even half that, my life now at 28 would be drastically improved.
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Jamie D

You know, if gender dysphoria has an organic cause, such as a genetic trait or predisposition that can be passed on, I would not be totally surprised that it is something that can run in families.

You are your son's father - that's a special relationship.  Be available.

I remember finding condoms in my son's laundry, at about the same age.  That was an interesting talk.
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Cindy

Get him to a therapist, he can be on blockers and make the decision about the future later. The effects of the blockers are reversible.
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DriftingCrow

Quote from: Jamie D on November 30, 2013, 12:02:00 AM
You know, if gender dysphoria has an organic cause, such as a genetic trait or predisposition that can be passed on, I would not be totally surprised that it is something that can run in families.

We did have a trans* member (MTF) here who's biological son was FTM, and I believe there's another member here with a trans* son or daughter as well.

I do believe this could be some kind of a genetic trait.
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Sophia Hawke

There is a study somewhere about trans persons having specific genetic markers in like 75%+ of cases.  Not sure what became of all that.  ->-bleeped-<- needs more scientific research.
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Sharon Lynn

Thanks everyone for your input.  I'll try to feel out how willing he'll be to talk to someone later this morning or this weekend. Not gonna push too hard, I don't want him pulling away, but we'll see how it goes :)  Sorry if I mistyped anything, it's the 4 am feeding time, its dark in here.  little sleep, one hand on the bottle, using the on screen keyboard, and most importantly, no coffee!

Quote from: Sophia Hawke on November 30, 2013, 12:01:07 AM
I sure wish I had you as a parent when I was that age

Aww hun, that was probably the nicest thing anyone's said to me!  Dunno how much it would have helped though, imagine having a type 1 bipolar mom and a dad that secretly wants to be the mom instead, and 6 siblings all fighting for attention!
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Eva Marie

Sharon-

That's cool that your daughter had the courage, confidence, and trust to come out to you. You have the "benefit" of already being trans and you are in a unique position to help - and your daughter will surely need that help. She is in a great position to be able to take blockers to stop the effects of testosterone before it does any more damage, and that is simply awesome.

And like the other person said I sure wish that I had parents like you. I was visiting my own parents yesterday and my mother mentioned a celebrity that has a transgender child and then she went on a tear about how she doesn't believe it, its all a bunch of crap, it's a choice, they are going to hell, and so on. I'm not out to them yet and I didn't say a word yesterday; For various reasons I've got to tell them within the next 3 weeks or so and I see how THAT is going to go  :-\
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Sharon Lynn

My hopes that it goes well for you!

I must admit, I kinda feel a little weird right now.  I don't know how to explain it.  It seems I'm in a somewhat unique situation of getting to deal with this from both sides at the same time.  And I'm so new to dealing with things myself that it's going to be... interesting, but in a good way.

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Sammy

Sharon, I second the poster who said that You are a great parent to Your child! Everything will be fine - this is 21st century and TS children are at much better position than we were. Let that settle initial shock settle for a bit and then set the procedure on... Being trans Yourself - You surely know what to do :). And do comfort her, she surely needs that now - please dont let that feeling of shame to settle deeper in her.

P.S. So this can be a genetic trait then? Great...
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ZoeM

Basically? You're gonna be the Best Mom Ever.

(Although be careful - news might want to cover a story of a mother and daughter transitioning together. Could get complicated.)
Don't lose who you are along the path to who you want to be.








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Sharon Lynn

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Shaina

Oh my!

As others have said you're an amazing mother and, whatever they decide, I'm sure your child is grateful to have a supportive parent like you. Good luck to you both!  :D

::HUGS::
I was a child and she was a child   
    In this kingdom by the sea:   
But we loved with a love that was more than love—
    I and my Annabel Lee
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Stochastic

Quote from: Sophia Hawke on November 30, 2013, 12:26:31 AM
There is a study somewhere about trans persons having specific genetic markers in like 75%+ of cases.  Not sure what became of all that.  ->-bleeped-<- needs more scientific research.

Transsexual gene link identified: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7689007.stm

To second what everyone has said. I know you will have each other's support when times get tough.

Julia
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Sophia Hawke

Quote from: Sharon Lynn on November 30, 2013, 04:08:29 AM
Thanks everyone for your input.  I'll try to feel out how willing he'll be to talk to someone later this morning or this weekend. Not gonna push too hard, I don't want him pulling away, but we'll see how it goes :)  Sorry if I mistyped anything, it's the 4 am feeding time, its dark in here.  little sleep, one hand on the bottle, using the on screen keyboard, and most importantly, no coffee!

Aww hun, that was probably the nicest thing anyone's said to me!  Dunno how much it would have helped though, imagine having a type 1 bipolar mom and a dad that secretly wants to be the mom instead, and 6 siblings all fighting for attention!

My Mom is a straight up crack-hooker, and was a heroine addict for most of my life.  She beat me and brothers pretty bad.  And my dad(and his last two wives) are all bible thumping recovering alcoholics.  Hes also a racist, sexist, trans/gay-phobe.   If it werent for me and my gay step sister, i dont think he would ever respect women or trans/gay folks at all.  You both sound like dream parents to me, who really care about your kids.  Your kids will realize how amazing you guys are as they get older.  Even i've managed to reconcile with both my parents after everything ive been through with them.

If you give them love and attention, they will love you no matter what.   Kids these days are pretty smart, and generally alot more accepting of others than in the past.   My best friends kids are 19-20, they werent even phased to see me in girls clothes(ive known them and seen them regularly for about 3 years).  My step-sister and her GF's kids 14, 15 and 18, two younger boys and an older girl, couldnt have been happier for me coming out.

If i had someone at that age to help me out like you, my life would be changed in such positive ways, i cannot even imagine how different things would be.  15 is where i first started discover about my transgender self, it was confusing and scary.  I wore makeup on and off and dressed like a regular girl for Halloween, much of this seemed strange to others and got me ridiculed at school.  Simply being there with an open ear, and even a little bit of advice can go a long way. 

        You should also let him know, that the feeling doesnt get better if he ignores it.  Get him to a therapist, but make it his idea :-)  My parents forced me into a therapist and psychiatrists office at that age and i clammed up really hard.  And when he goes, please let everything that he says be with the therapist as much as you can.  I was deeply embarrassed about my own issues at that age, and my dad going into the therapist right after i did, and hearing what i said only made me defiant and feel betrayed.

          I'd also share with him, the challenges of deciding to transition later in life, as opposed to at 15, but without trying to push him into it.  I'm not sure i could have comprehended the $$ Cost of transitioning later in life or that, my body could have been much more feminine now, if i had started then.   I personally feel its important for transfolks to be able to get the help they need at an early as possible age, to minimize the problems that go along with transitioning later in life.   Learning how to socialize on a female level and living as one into adulthood would have given me a social edge on being female that generally learning much younger.  Now im struggling to play catchup socially.
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Doctorwho?

Actually as a trainee doctor it strikes me that the clinical logic of this situation is pretty simple.

The sooner you tackle ANY medical condition the better the prognosis. This is a medical condition, albeit a complex one, but the sooner he or she begins to address it, the better will be the outcome.

So forget ideas of pushing in a particular direction... because in encouraging him/her to explore this that wouldn't be what you are doing. As far as I am aware going to consult a medic does not presuppose a particular course of action as an outcome. Rather it merely explores all the possibilities to discover what the best course might be.

The worst possible thing to do is allow him or her to try to ignore it because as we all know, you can't run away from yourself.

Finally my family has a lot of sex and gender non conformity in almost every generation on the chart. I think these things probably are genetic albeit probably recessive and with only partial penetrance ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penetrance ) and indeed the evidence for genetic linkage is slowly emerging despite the best efforts of certain groups to suppress this. So while I can understand your concern, I think perhaps it isn't quite as surprising as you might think.
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KabitTarah

Quote from: Doctorwho? on December 01, 2013, 06:20:32 AM
Actually as a trainee doctor it strikes me that the clinical logic of this situation is pretty simple.

The sooner you tackle ANY medical condition the better the prognosis. This is a medical condition, albeit a complex one, but the sooner he or she begins to address it, the better will be the outcome.

So forget ideas of pushing in a particular direction... because in encouraging him/her to explore this that wouldn't be what you are doing. As far as I am aware going to consult a medic does not presuppose a particular course of action as an outcome. Rather it merely explores all the possibilities to discover what the best course might be.

The worst possible thing to do is allow him or her to try to ignore it because as we all know, you can't run away from yourself.

Yes... therapy really isn't the child's option. If your son/daughter needs help and resists it, it's better to insist. Talking to someone can never hurt them as long as you find a trustworthy, open, and caring therapist who specializes in gender issues in children.

Medical treatment is more between the child, the therapist, and the parents and should be a longer discussion than just deciding on therapy.

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Finally my family has a lot of sex and gender non conformity in almost every generation on the chart. I think these things probably are genetic albeit probably recessive and with only partial penetrance ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penetrance ) and indeed the evidence for genetic linkage is slowly emerging despite the best efforts of certain groups to suppress this. So while I can understand your concern, I think perhaps it isn't quite as surprising as you might think.

I've always believed it's only partially genetic. Really... it's probably a genetic predisposition. The cause of ->-bleeped-<- itself appears to be clearly physiological in utero. How these in utero conditions develop could be 100% genetic for some and not at all genetic in others (DES, for example, can cause MTF intersex conditions including transsexuality in the fetus during pregnancy).
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Sharon Lynn

Sophia, just wow.  Yeah, you'da been more than welcome as part of the family here :)  We're all a bit crazy, but we try to be happy and loving with each other :)

Yup, Doctorwho, I am pretty sure it's something genetic, and I wish I had the time to explore that. A quick glance at the family tree and I can see something going on on my Father's side.  But you're right.  Social norms aside, the problem and solution set are very simple and straightforward.

I'm going to get him an appointment with the shrink if I can next week.  About the only thing I care about is making him take the time to work it all out.  I don't want him to jump into a decision impulsively, in either direction.
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Sophia Hawke

Quote from: kabit on December 01, 2013, 07:00:54 AM
Yes... therapy really isn't the child's option. If your son/daughter needs help and resists it, it's better to insist. Talking to someone can never hurt them as long as you find a trustworthy, open, and caring therapist who specializes in gender issues in children.

Medical treatment is more between the child, the therapist, and the parents and should be a longer discussion than just deciding on therapy.

I've always believed it's only partially genetic. Really... it's probably a genetic predisposition. The cause of ->-bleeped-<- itself appears to be clearly physiological in utero. How these in utero conditions develop could be 100% genetic for some and not at all genetic in others (DES, for example, can cause MTF intersex conditions including transsexuality in the fetus during pregnancy).

Kabit, i just think forcing it, can hinder rather than help.  And being supportive, and caring, while trying to suggest a course of action has less chance of causing anyone(let alone a teenager) from clamming up. i can only speak from my personal experience though since ive never been a parent.   I also feel like giving him or any young person going through this some advice/facts up front to be highly beneficial in getting them to explore it.  One of those, if i knew what i knew now things.  Like if i knew how bad the feeling was going to get, i never would have waited to figure it all out.
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Doctorwho?

Quote from: kabit on December 01, 2013, 07:00:54 AM
I've always believed it's only partially genetic. Really... it's probably a genetic predisposition. The cause of ->-bleeped-<- itself appears to be clearly physiological in utero. How these in utero conditions develop could be 100% genetic for some and not at all genetic in others (DES, for example, can cause MTF intersex conditions including transsexuality in the fetus during pregnancy).
Indeed - which is why I put in the bit about partial penetrance - that's medical speak for "having the gene and yet somehow not developing the condition..." an effect which wasn't known about back until the last ten years or so and which at one stroke invalidated many of the negative conclusions drawn by the early twins studies, that some people still cite as proof that no genetic link exists.

Basically until recently it was assumed that all autosomal dominant, and autosomal recessive, genes would exhibit 100% penetrance and thus that distributions of pathological incidence would pretty well match the theoretical heritability model. However in a condition with partial penetrance that link between symptomatic individuals and those carrying the gene is not absolute, and thus although the gene may indeed play a vital part in triggering the condition, it does not follow that everyone with it will develop the condition.
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