Cis people on transgender HRT?

[JoanneB]

If a man taking estrogen would become female... than a woman taking testosterone would become male... which also would mean there's no such thing as transgender (except as a psychological condition). We know that isn't true!

Too simplistically put or perhaps misquoted. What is undeniable in both cases is that the person will begin to take on some of the secondary sex characteristics. YMMV. Never the less still pure simple biochemistry.

I am torn over an opinion on the calming effect of even low dose HRT on transsexual people. There is no doubt it occurs in many cases which is why low dose HRT is a treatment option for those not looking for, or ready yet for, a full transition. Many cases means not all so as in most hings in the real world there are other variables and or causes for the anxiety.

Since transsexualism carries a large social and even medical stigma I sincerely doubt anyone has done a double blind study of the effects of HRT on cis people. Even if they tried to, like how many TS's would would show up after seeing or hearing about the study for that 50:50 chance of getting HRT? How do you effectively screen for that? A simpler way is to do the study on a group of people with no rights, aka your military personnel. I doubt that lead zeppelin will fly.

[KabitTarah]

Too simplistically put or perhaps misquoted. What is undeniable in both cases is that the person will begin to take on some of the secondary sex characteristics. YMMV. Never the less still pure simple biochemistry.

I am torn over an opinion on the calming effect of even low dose HRT on transsexual people. There is no doubt it occurs in many cases which is why low dose HRT is a treatment option for those not looking for, or ready yet for, a full transition. Many cases means not all so as in most hings in the real world there are other variables and or causes for the anxiety.

Since transsexualism carries a large social and even medical stigma I sincerely doubt anyone has done a double blind study of the effects of HRT on cis people. Even if they tried to, like how many TS's would would show up after seeing or hearing about the study for that 50:50 chance of getting HRT? How do you effectively screen for that? A simpler way is to do the study on a group of people with no rights, aka your military personnel. I doubt that lead zeppelin will fly.

I don't think anyone said low dose. If the endo thinks that's all that makes a man or woman (which certainly sounds like she's talking about more than sex characteristics -- since it certainly doesn't change sexual inner workings) I think she's off base. I will be asking my endo about mind changes when I get there (2.5 weeks!!) and I know she partially specializes in transgender HRT.

It does sound over simplistic. Yes, a cis man going on AAs and E will experience changes to psyche... as would a cis woman on T. The question is whether those changes include the sort of hormonal dysphoria we experience because of our striking misbalance.

[Sammy]

I was particularly asking her about adverse body reactions - not mental ones, but You know... all those TS urban myths how Your body is supposed to react to hormones if You are TS and if You aren't (except nobody can ever state specific examples apart of that calming effect, which, btw, not everyone is experiencing - as far as I have read). What she said was that I should not be expecting any such signs or feelings, and neither would a cis-guy. Also, please keep in mind that all this conversation took place quite a long time ago and I did not know many things back then and probably now my question would have been phrased differently .

[MadeleineG]

The case of doping in East Germany may be of some relevance.

Consider the case of shot-putter Andreas (née Heidi) Krieger..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_Krieger

[Sammy]

The case of doping in East Germany may be of some relevance.

Consider the case of shot-putter Andreas (née Heidi) Krieger..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_Krieger

Yet, the question remains whether Andreas Krieger had transsexualism before that notorious hormonal treatment? No diagnosis had been set, but article suggests so.

[MadeleineG]

Yet, the question remains whether Andreas Krieger had transsexualism before that notorious hormonal treatment? No diagnosis had been set, but article suggests so.

I suspect he did. I mention it because it's a case where cross-gender HRT was effectively forced on someone before they were ready, if nothing else.

Along a similar line, the culture of misguided transition in Iran (see the film Be Like Others) and the history of forced transitions in the South African military may be relevant.

[genderhell]

Has there ever been any incidents or studies done on cis people going on transgender HRT regimens?

I just wonder if they experience some of the things we feel pre-HRT... though I can't see a study on that being very ethical

Yeah, there appears to be a lot of these people.

Some people realize that they don't have GID, and are gay instead.

They are called "de-transitioners",  although, we cannot assume all de-transitioners are gay, some people might have other motives.

[Simon]

For me estrogen was exactly what my brain needed to function properly.  It was like I had PMS my whole life.

Isn't it almost validating once we get on the right hormones and we get that wonderful calm effect?

Obviously, I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum (ftm) but before I could start hormones I had to have a hysto due to a androgen producing tumor. I had naturally high estrogen and add to that a natural testosterone level in the low 300's. I was a unstable person. I was never mean to people but I couldn't deal with others for long.

Now that my E level is non existent for the most part and my T level is around 800 I feel balanced. I would imagine that a cis person who for whatever reason had to experience trans HRT would feel as unbalanced as I did previous to my surgery. I wouldn't wish it on my worse enemy, it's awful.

[Sheala]

WOW..... now i have wondered on this my self, and persinaly I believe that the "mith" would be true. looking at the fact that the main reason we feel the way we do is due to the wrong sex hormone coursing through your bodies. if you made a cisgendered person the same way they would feel the same, if not right away, not long after.

[Chaos]

Alan did not commit suicide due to any treatment but over his partner,who suffered greatly over alans shaming.aside from that,many different people get treatments for many different reasons.a simple hormone inbalance will get you treatment.you would need to be classified as a transperson in order to receive trans related HRT but not for other forms of HRT.I respectfully feel this was a silly topic head.aka its impossible.