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so are you a woman with out the operation

Started by evecrook, December 20, 2013, 06:00:14 PM

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Heather

Quote from: learningtolive on December 21, 2013, 08:26:51 AM
Lastly, don't get riled up when people try to invalidate your experience.  Some people are angry and put themselves in higher regard than others in order to protect their own fragile ego.  When it happens, it says a lot more about them than you.
I think it's more than likely these types were highly successful in their male lives and now they are seen as female and don't receive the same respect they carried in their former life. When I see someone bragging about their op status I kinda have to laugh because it really does show how much insecurities they have with their own transition. Now don't misunderstand me I'm not saying all post ops are this way actually it's far from it but I do know a few that do like to brag about their op status then But the majority I know will never say a thing about it and that's the way I plan to be after the surgery. I don't feel the need to brag to a bunch of people just beginning their journey that I'm better than them. ;)
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Miss_Bungle1991

Quote from: nikkit72 on December 21, 2013, 05:28:17 AM
I'm off to get inter-species reassignment surgery councelling.

Oh...so we can get that now?

Sweet!

Sign me up for that HtS op! (Human to Squirrel) :D :D :P
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KabitTarah

Quote from: Miss_Bungle1991 on December 21, 2013, 12:30:20 PM
Oh...so we can get that now?

Sweet!

Sign me up for that HtS op! (Human to Squirrel) :D :D :P

I'd consider it... rabbit for me, of course.

Maybe just the ears (lop) and tail ;)
~ Tarah ~

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Miss_Bungle1991

Quote from: KabitTarah on December 21, 2013, 08:47:37 AM
Me too.

HECK... I even extend this to the past. I was ALWAYS a woman/girl. I was born with a female gender and male sex.

I do the same thing. Sometimes my family doesn't understand that. They think that just because I was in the closet (sort of...I was dropping hints left & right all through my childhood. I was always a girl and even when I tried to hide it from the few friends I had in those days, they all knew there was something about me that was a little different. My family always thought that I was always a guy and that was never the case.
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Devlyn

Sign up for reverse electrolysis for those squirrel and rabbit coats!
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Miss_Bungle1991

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on December 21, 2013, 12:35:26 PM
Sign up for reverse electrolysis for those squirrel and rabbit coats!

:o WHAT?! No! You would still need the fur.
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Danielle Emmalee

That's why she said reverse electrolysis.  As in putting fur on. Lol
Discord, I'm howlin' at the moon
And sleepin' in the middle of a summer afternoon
Discord, whatever did we do
To make you take our world away?

Discord, are we your prey alone,
Or are we just a stepping stone for taking back the throne?
Discord, we won't take it anymore
So take your tyranny away!
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Miss_Bungle1991

Quote from: Orange Creamsicle on December 21, 2013, 12:53:29 PM
That's why she said reverse electrolysis.  As in putting fur on. Lol

:D Sorry. I misunderstood what she meant. That's is what happens when you have three windows open and music blaring.  :D In that case, maybe you could take a special medication that would help you grow fur. :P
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sam79

With a normal density of ~10000 hairs per square inch... Ouch!! Reverse electrolysis would take forever.
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Devlyn

Glad that's cleared up! I SAID GLAD THAT'S CLEARED UP, MISS BUNGLE!  ;D
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JRD

This is a tough one for me. I do think I should have been born female, even from a very young age. For some reason though, I can't run around telling everyone I am a woman, I just present as one and hope for the best. Most times, I actually feel like I'm just a really weird, messed up person, hence all my insecurities. I don't project my own feelings about myself as a transsexual onto others though, so no one should feel slighted in any way.
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Nero

Quote from: big head horsey-face on December 21, 2013, 01:04:42 PM
This is a tough one for me. I do think I should have been born female, even from a very young age. For some reason though, I can't run around telling everyone I am a woman, I just present as one and hope for the best. Most times, I actually feel like I'm just a really weird, messed up person, hence all my insecurities. I don't project my own feelings about myself as a transsexual onto others though, so no one should feel slighted in any way.

Well, I think a point comes for many after they've been transitioned for awhile, that they just don't care anymore. I really don't feel any need to proclaim I'm a man. I'm just me and as long as I'm passing and not misgendered, that's enough.

Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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JRD

Quote from: FA on December 21, 2013, 01:13:56 PM
Well, I think a point comes for many after they've been transitioned for awhile, that they just don't care anymore. I really don't feel any need to proclaim I'm a man. I'm just me and as long as I'm passing and not misgendered, that's enough.
I've been fulltime for going on 8 years and been working with the public for the last three and I don't really think about it anymore other than here.
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Nero

Quote from: big head horsey-face on December 21, 2013, 01:24:35 PM
Quote from: FA on December 21, 2013, 01:13:56 PM
Well, I think a point comes for many after they've been transitioned for awhile, that they just don't care anymore. I really don't feel any need to proclaim I'm a man. I'm just me and as long as I'm passing and not misgendered, that's enough.
I've been fulltime for going on 8 years and been working with the public for the last three and I don't really think about it anymore other than here.

Exactly.

With respect, I think the preoccupation and vehemence of declaring and going on about being a man or a woman etc is more for those early in transition. It's something new, and they're declaring their identity.  After the fact, it's just not a big deal anymore. After all, the only cis guys you hear going on about their manhood have insecurity issues. And you really don't hear cis women going on about it at all.  Any cis woman going on about her breast implants or vaginal cosmetic procedure and how womanly it makes her compared to others would look pretty pathetic).
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Ltl89

I would just like to clarify something I said before.  Needing srs before feeling female or identifying as female is a bit different from desiring srs for a sense of peace or comfort.   I'm female in my heart regardless of my surgery status; however,  getting the surgery would make me feel more comfortable.   That's the crux of transitioning.   We feel something in our hearts and change our appearance to match our identity.  Srs is an extension of that for some and not for others.  Personally,  I'd imagine I'll feel incomplete without srs in the future,  but i totally respect those who don't want it and feel comfortable with their identity without taking that step.  In my case, I've always had major issues with my genitalia and would like to finally feel comfortable with it.  The same cab be said with my overall appearance which is why I choose to transition.   Either way, I'm still a female in my heart and soul, just as is any pre-op, post-op and non - op woman.  The physical changes are there to make you feel more comfortable and express yourself for who you are,  not to change your identity.   And overall  your indentity defines you, not how far you've come in the physical transition. Just my opinion.
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Nero

Quote from: learningtolive on December 21, 2013, 01:43:42 PM
I would just like to clarify something I said before.  Needing srs before feeling female or identifying as female is a bit different from desiring srs for a sense of peace or comfort.   I'm female in my heart regardless of my surgery status; however,  getting the surgery would make me feel more comfortable.   That's the crux of transitioning.   We feel something in our hearts and change our appearance to match our identity.  Srs is an extension of that for some and not for others.  Personally,  I'd imagine I'll feel incomplete without srs in the future,  but i totally respect those who don't want it and feel comfortable with their identity without taking that step.  In my case, I've always had major issues with my genitalia and would like to finally feel comfortable with it.  The same cab be said with my overall appearance which is why I choose to transition.   Either way, I'm still a female in my heart and soul, just as is any pre-op, post-op and non - op woman.  The physical changes are there to make you feel more comfortable and express yourself for who you are,  not to change your identity.   And overall  your indentity defines you, not how far you've come in the physical transition. Just my opinion.

Just in case this is in response to my comments, I'm not saying those who need SRS are saying it makes them female. I'm talking more about some recent attitudes here regarding surgery and womanhood, etc.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Lauren5

To add on, I'll try to be t the point; surgery may help you perceive yourself more in your gender, but can never fully determine your gender. No one is going to check and see what you have in your pants, it's all about your brain, what you are expressing, and to a lesser extent, your style of dress and facial appearance, as that's what gives the first impression to others. They often won't key in on your body language as a determining factor in perceiving your gender, which is why most transpeople decide that they need hormones or surgery to change their face and body.
Once again, it's all a matter of your own perception, often influenced by other's perceptions. Hence why we have the term "passing." Do I feel like a woman? Sure. DO I look like a woman? Not really. Do I have the sexual organs of a woman? No. Do the last two impact the first one? TO me, they do a little, to others, it affects them a lot, others not at all. Some, only one affects them. If a surgery helps you feel more like you, go ahead. Some people need these before they feel like them, others just have them to feel more like them, and yet others don't need them at all.
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Ltl89

Quote from: FA on December 21, 2013, 01:51:29 PM
Just in case this is in response to my comments, I'm not saying those who need SRS are saying it makes them female. I'm talking more about some recent attitudes here regarding surgery and womanhood, etc.

Oh, I know.  I suspect we are on the same page.
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evecrook

Quote from: FA on December 21, 2013, 01:13:56 PM
Well, I think a point comes for many after they've been transitioned for awhile, that they just don't care anymore. I really don't feel any need to proclaim I'm a man. I'm just me and as long as I'm passing and not misgendered, that's enough.
I have to say this is how I feel. At this time in my transition I just get a kick when some one genders me correctly with out hesitation. this older woman on the train gendered me properly and it's still making my day.
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Anatta

Kia Ora Eve,

Some people (including both cis and trans) feel that they are...Some people (including both cis and trans) feel that they are not...

And that just about wraps it all up...


Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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