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Joanna Dark

Quote from: innainka on February 05, 2014, 02:52:10 PM
If you have a need to alter your facial proportions to those of a mainstream concept of esthetics, you should research the field of FFS (facial feminisation surgery)
I do have a deep knowledge of such, and in my eyes, you would need to have a Rhinoplasty (nose) and Mentoplasty (chin)

I believe that these would make you feel more mainstream, and perhaps would calm your insecurity.

I know I need a nose job, cause like I mentioned, it was broke three times. But, no offense, I don't think I need chin surgery. My chin is fine. In fact. If it got any smaller, it wouldn't be there. But thanks for your help. I need minor things done. As mentioned, I dont need to be a super model and I pass fine, I just dont like being called ugly. IDSK, now I feel like...nevermind. I know you're trying to help but  my chin is literally an 1.75 inches long. But you're just trying to help so it's okay. I'm just having a very bad day.
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Joanna Dark

Quote from: Caysee Danielle on February 05, 2014, 02:31:46 PM
I don't know what being ugly has to do with detransitioning.  Whether you're ugly or not is subjective if you're talking about surface attractiveness.  My question is why would you want to be ugly and detransition?

I dont understand you're question. Being ugly has everything to do with transitioning for some. Not everyone has thick skin. Im extremely sensitive. Maybe you're not and that's cool. But If I can nver find a partner cause I'm so ugly, why transition. To be an outcast? No thanks.

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Danielle Emmalee

I just mean if you're unhappy living as male, then you're going to be unhappy living as male.  Being in a relationship isn't everything.  Being happy as yourself is likely the only way you're going to be able to live a happy life, boyfriend or not. 
Discord, I'm howlin' at the moon
And sleepin' in the middle of a summer afternoon
Discord, whatever did we do
To make you take our world away?

Discord, are we your prey alone,
Or are we just a stepping stone for taking back the throne?
Discord, we won't take it anymore
So take your tyranny away!
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Ltl89

Hey Joanna,

I'm sorry to hear that things didn't work with your boyfriend and that you got heckled.  Don't let other people get you down though.  There are jerks in this world and sometimes they take it out on others.  It doesn't make them right either.  In any event, I'm really glad to hear you found work and are planning on starting laser.  Hopefully that will be a good omen that things will be looking up.
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Nora Kayte

Really? Are you serious? Sweet heart you are far from ugly. I am pre everything and I am still attracted to women right now. And if I was not married, I would definetaly be interested. But being totally honest. I am just not a fan of short hair. And omg that lighting. The lighting does not do you any favors. And then on the other side if the coin. If I look half as good as you I  will be very happy.  So screw the haters. They are just jealous.

Big big hugs.
Norma Lynne







Let Go of Who You Think You're Supposed to Be and Embrace Who You Are.
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ath

Trust me, I have seen some ugly people in my time here on Earth, and you are most definitely not one of them :).

I wouldn't mind seeing a pic of you in different lighting, but I don't need to in order to tell you that you shouldn't have a problem continuing on your life as a female and passing. You are definitely not ugly.
"When I think of all the worries people seem to find
And how they're in a hurry to complicate their mind
By chasing after money and dreams that can't come true
I'm glad that we are different, we've better things to do
May others plan their future, I'm busy lovin' you "
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izzy

You should not listen to those people. I think from my opinion with your other pictures, you look female too me and very nice looking person. Your skin tone really cant be seen well with this lighting and i think it looks a lot better than what the camera and lighting show.
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Nero

Quote from: Joanna Dark on February 05, 2014, 03:56:16 PM
Quote from: innainka on February 05, 2014, 02:52:10 PM
If you have a need to alter your facial proportions to those of a mainstream concept of esthetics, you should research the field of FFS (facial feminisation surgery)
I do have a deep knowledge of such, and in my eyes, you would need to have a Rhinoplasty (nose) and Mentoplasty (chin)

I believe that these would make you feel more mainstream, and perhaps would calm your insecurity.

I know I need a nose job, cause like I mentioned, it was broke three times. But, no offense, I don't think I need chin surgery. My chin is fine. In fact. If it got any smaller, it wouldn't be there. But thanks for your help. I need minor things done. As mentioned, I dont need to be a super model and I pass fine, I just dont like being called ugly. IDSK, now I feel like...nevermind. I know you're trying to help but  my chin is literally an 1.75 inches long. But you're just trying to help so it's okay. I'm just having a very bad day.

I really don't think you need anything done. If you want to fix your nose (I don't know what it looked like before, but looks fine to me) or scarring, that's fine. But I don't think it's necessary. And to be honest, perfection just makes one less interesting, not more.

About the comments - you never know what people are thinking. I used to get nasty comments about my appearance as a girl - at times when I knew I looked good. I've had a few walking down the street too. Women are sometimes just nasty to other women. And men can be nasty about a woman's appearance just for the sake of being nasty. I doubt there's a woman alive who hasn't been called ugly no matter her looks.
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stephaniec

Quote from: FA on February 05, 2014, 06:27:53 PM
I know I need a nose job, cause like I mentioned, it was broke three times. But, no offense, I don't think I need chin surgery. My chin is fine. In fact. If it got any smaller, it wouldn't be there. But thanks for your help. I need minor things done. As mentioned, I dont need to be a super model and I pass fine, I just dont like being called ugly. IDSK, now I feel like...nevermind. I know you're trying to help but  my chin is literally an 1.75 inches long. But you're just trying to help so it's okay. I'm just having a very bad day.


I really don't think you need anything done. If you want to fix your nose (I don't know what it looked like before, but looks fine to me) or scarring, that's fine. But I don't think it's necessary. And to be honest, perfection just makes one less interesting, not more.

About the comments - you never know what people are thinking. I used to get nasty comments about my appearance as a girl - at times when I knew I looked good. I've had a few walking down the street too. Women are sometimes just nasty to other women. And men can be nasty about a woman's appearance just for the sake of being nasty. I doubt there's a woman alive who hasn't been called ugly no matter her looks.
well to be quite honest my face is a mess because I got hit hard in puberty by acne. I've dealt with quite a lot of morons in my life that had nothing in their lives to be happy about other than trying to make other people unhappy by saying mean things.  my facial structure came mostly from my mother. the acne came from her too. I can live with it because she lived with it.
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Rachel

Joanna, you have great bone structure.

1 year may not enough time for the hormones.

You commented about the minor nose work and others commented on derma abrasion, powder, lighting and too close. Other than that perhaps some Life-Cell  Retin-A cream may provide some skin smoothing ( I have some on order as a trial). There is a trial that just cost shipping, less than $5.

One more thing. A picture is simple yet has many components to look well, as many expressed. A woman is very complex and yet very simple too. We will do a thousand things and have surgeries and anything else but what we really want is to be relevant, loved and appreciated.

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Marieee

Honey your not ugly,those eyes are amazing btw :)

People who say those things are probably insecure about themselves and just can't resist the urge to take it out on others.
They're weak, your strong. Don't let them get into your head. Chances are, with a mindset like that, they don't amount to much anyway.

Stay proud girly, :)
Hugs
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Jess42

There's really a whole lot more to a person than what people see on the outside. No you may not ever be a supermodel or grace the cover of glamour magazine but so what, how many of us are? I have seen extremely beautiful people (guys and girls) that were uglier inside than anyone I have seen less than beautiful on the outside. I have also been attracted to people without any kind of physical attraction in the beginning just by getting to know them. Usually when name calling gets thrown into the mix it is because of someone else's own insecurities. Let it go and don't let it bother you. I too have been called ugly by some people that I though were worst off than me looks wise and have been called good looking by others. Don't let it play on your insecurities. Honestly I am attracted to guys and girls and I would date you.
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Tristan

I'm sorry your having to put up with this. Girl world can be cruel. People out unrealistic standards on females. But going back to trying guy life? I don't think you will like that. If your unhappy with your appearance you can always do like other woman and even men do and get some surgery for it. I know others will say that's wrong, or talk a stand, blah blah blah. But the truth is if you want to change your appearance then your can. Heck. I think that's part of transition getting to look like we feel we are.
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Michelle69

Honestly, if I looked like you, all the man cloths I have would be on their way to the Salvation Army right now.



Try going out in a skirt looking like me :)

Seriously though, you have what it takes. Some people just suck.
Attitude is all when dealing with people. I was once told no one would ever get in my face because it looked to them like I was getting ready to feed them their own arm. Now, I am not violent at all but used to be very guarded when dealing with strangers.

Being submissive might make it more difficult, but if you work at it you may be able to cultivate an attitude that makes people rethink before they talk like a moron.

I don't know if there is a god, or if we will ever have to answer for what we do in this life. One thing I am ABSOLUTELY sure of is this. If there is a judgement, no one is going to ask the mean street girl, the internet idiot, the irritated ex or Barack Obama to answer for your life. It's your life, it's the only one you have and they DO NOT MATTER!

Smile sweet girl, we are here for you!


GRRR! There was supposed to be a picture. How do I do that?
Michelle


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TerriT

Joanna, you have to stop judging yourself by your bf and listening to what people say. You only feel the way you do because you give their words power. They mean nothing and you're better than that. Get tough, set a goal (that doesn't start with finding a bf) and get at it. You're so much better than you give yourself credit for.
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kelly_aus

Beauty is only skin deep.. Ugly goes right to the bone.

Beauty is more than just looks.
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BlonT

A lot of wise words are spoken, but i fell over one sentence of you Joanna Dark , the "So i don't see the point in transition" Make me wonder why you want to transition ,if it,s because you are happier as a girl ,then why stop ? Go for it girl. You should look on google for movie stars without makeup :) Remember to that we all look different to the world ,so what is stunning for one is a wet towel for a other.
Just try to be happy
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Evolving Beauty

WTF Joanna, don't listen what others say to you. People just tend to call all TS ugly pure hate even they are pretty. You might not be a bombshell BUT YOU'RE IN NO WAY UGLY. I personally find you cute. You look like a child-lady.

You're so lucky of how you look so young (35) at 54 years old that you are as you told once.

My personal advice to fix stuffs that will make you prettier is just a Rhinoplasty + a deep chemical peel that'll make texture of your skin even, that's ALL you need and you're done.

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Miranda Catherine

Joanna, I agree with the others that your bone structure is fine. You have a feminine face, but I agree with the rhinoplasty assessment too, but feminize it a bit because the rest of your face IS quite delicate. Your selfies are almost always unflattering by either angles, lighting or both. I also think that getting laser hair removal will help in more ways than you can even realize right now. I don't and wouldn't leave the house without makeup. You're a girl, Joanna, so get the de-transitioning crap out of your mind!!! In 2005 I finally broke down to my primary care doc that I'm transgendered and he sent me to an endocrinologist, who promptly put me on a small regimen of estrogen, but after two months I quit, which upset her greatly. She told me she'd had many TS patients and I was probably the most dysphoric of any she'd had, so she told me I'd eventually be back, either to her or someone else. Then she posed a question: "Since I know you'll be back, how many years will you waste before you're back?" She was sooo right and I wasted six years of time I can never get back and which turned out to be even worse than those wasted decades before. I finally actually attempted suicide for the third time, after trying it on the installment plan for those six wasted years. I've been happy for the vast majority of my 29 months of living as a woman since September 7th, 2011. Don't even think about detransitioning, Joanna, you'll never pass as a male! You already look female, but you'll look immeasurably better with your hair longer or however you WANT to wear it, facial hair removal, makeup and rhinoplasty, and with those things, confidence. You're not ugly now, you could just be prettier with what you've already mentioned and with more time on hormones. You're a good, sweet, intelligent and caring woman on top of all the rest. How can you possibly think you're going to wind up alone and lonely? You're a catch, girl! Hugs, Mira
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ones I've been able to live without lying
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Tristan

Yeah boyfriends can be jerks and other woman for sure can be cruel in what they say. Know yourself and take pride in what you have accomplished
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