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Can dysphoria be helped or cured by increasing birth sex hormones?

Started by Genzen, February 26, 2014, 11:22:46 AM

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Genzen

For example if a biological male has low testosterone and gender dysphoria can taking testosterone help with the dysphoria? The same question goes for FTM, can they take estrogen and relieve some dysphoria? For the record my pre-hrt blood work is as follows:

35 Year Old Bio Male:
Total T - 270 ng/dl
Free T  - 0.34 ng/dl
Free T - 0.13 %
LH - 4.3 mIU/mL
Estradiol < 12 pg/mL

My thinking is that this would not help because it is my understanding that many transsexuals have normal biological birth sex hormones yet their dysphoria persists. Thus there is no link between gender dysphoria and hormone levels. But I'd be curious to hear of actual real life experiences of anyone that has attempted this route or knows of anyone that has.
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anais

I'm not sure if i had low testosteron but I have tried to use anabolic steroids for a short period but it didn't help with my gender dysphoria and made me feel worse.
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RainbowGuacamole

I only have anecdotal evidence, but I have heard of several MTFs who have tried to force their minds into accepting their bodies with testosterone treatment before accepting that the only true solution to the dysphoria problem is transition. Based on this, I don't think birth hormones help much in the regard. I'm keen to see if anyone has better, more scientific takes on this topic.
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Randi

Around six years ago, at age 58, my physician found that my testosterone was low and my estrogen was high.  I started taking injections of testosterone cypionate. 

Although I felt I should have been a girl in my younger years, I accepted my maleness eventually. From around age 16 to 58, I functioned well as a heterosexual male.   I certainly benefited from the testosterone in many ways, gaining strength, feeling more energy and improved general health.

There was, however, a peculiar side effect of the testosterone.  Evidently the body has an enzyme, aromatase, that converts testosterone to estradiol.   Six months after I started T, my nipples were erect all the time, and I started developing breasts.  Then the dysphoria, which I had managed to hold at bay for decades came roaring back.

Memories that had been buried for decades came to the fore.  Once I figured out what was happening, I sought out more estrogen.  First Oestrogel and later Estradiol Valerate injections.  That made me feel even better, but I had to deal with feminization.

Here the real paradox... when I'm on estrogen the dysphoria disappears nearly completely.   If I cut back on the estrogen and increase the testosterone, I again become dysphoric.

In my case, and  a few others, testosterone drastically increased gender dysphoria. Dr Anne Vitale has written her observations on this phenomena.  http://www.avitale.com/TNote15Testosterone.htm

Admittedly my hormones and makeup are atypical.  My mother took DES, Diethylsilbestrol when pregnant with me.  Although given to lessen the likelihood of miscarriage, it was a potent endocrine disruptor. 

Before I began HRT my T was 150 on a scale of 300-1100 and my Estradiol was 80 on a 0-50 scale.  I wouldn't say that taking T was a mistake, but it made me the woman I am today.

Randi       
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Christine Eryn

My body was naturally poisoned by enough T at an early age to where I started getting hairy and facial structure masculenized. So no, more poison would not have "cured" me and set me into the path that society wanted for me.
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FalseHybridPrincess

Yeah , Im pretty sure that If they were to give me more T Id end up killing myself...

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Miss_Bungle1991

Anyone coming at me with a syringe full of T would be too busy dodging flying projectiles.
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stephaniec

T is definitely a poison . I have a condition that causes me to have an explosive reaction to triggering situations and being on HRT has stopped the explosiveness . I'm much safer on estrogen.
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Dahlia

Up until well into the 1970's 'feminine' or pre gay boys were sometimes treated with testosterone to 'butch them up', which of course nothing changed about their femininety or gay sexual identity.
It had terrible consequences for feminine pre MTF.

I've never heard about tomboyish girls being treated with oestrogen to 'femme them up' though.
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Genzen

Quote from: Dahlia on February 26, 2014, 02:47:56 PM
Up until well into the 1970's 'feminine' or pre gay boys were sometimes treated with testosterone to 'butch them up'

That sounds horrible actually when you put it that way...

I guess a good question for the Endo would be if he has any medical concerns about my T levels as in could there be an underlying medical condition. Seems to me that would be an important thing to know before starting any hormones.
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Jill F

The more T in my system, the more miserable I was. 

I have a friend whose testes shut down when she was 30, was diagnosed with hypogonadism and given T injections that sent her dysphoria through the roof, making her suicidally depressed.  As soon as she was given estrogen, she felt better than ever.
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Love2Bme

I was on T for a while. It did give me more muscle strength, but I was much more, edgy. I really noticed it when driving, I would loose patience really easily. It eventually started making me nervous, and my dysphoria became the worst it had ever been.

I found calmness after starting E, on my HRT. E's the right hormone, for this girl!
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Terrafirma

Quite the opposite, at least in my case. My treatment for low testosterone is what set off my gender dysphoria. A blood test revealed that a lot of the testosterone that I was taking was being converted into estrogen and my body wasn't responding to the testosterone. This may be because I'm intersexed, with high aromatase activity and an androgen insensitivity. My micropenis and short fingers, which are said to be an indication of low testosterone in the womb, may confirm this. It's been over a year since I was put on testosterone therapy by a urologist and I can't get erections from it. It does absolutely nothing for me. I've been on estradiol now for about 8 and a half months and I can get erections from it. My endocrinologist first prescribed the estradiol as a test and he now thinks that I should remain on it. I also had a history of self harm, which ended with the start of my estradiol therapy. My doctor said that this convinced him that I was transgender. For me, being transgender is not a choice, but a birth defect that I have to accept, since it made me who I am.
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Frank

From the other side of the fence, I'm pretty sure anyone suggesting it to me would end up with fingers wrapped around their necks.
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Lauren5

Considering it would likely increase my aggression, body hair growth, and bone growth if some growth plates are still open, it would make it worse.
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helen2010

When I was diagnosed as having low T receiving additional T (androgel and also by injection) did not help with my dysphoria at all

On the either hand as soon as I was diagnosed as TG with severe GD and started HRT (Anti androgen and estradiol) my GD disappeared completely, nothing, nada, gone.  My experience is therefore completely different to that which you hypothesised would occur when my birth sex hormones were increased/decreased.
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Jamie D

Giving me testosterone would be a bit like pouring gasoline on a lit fire.  I would likely explode.
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Cindy

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Ultimus

I'm one of the few who can speak intelligently on the subject instead of hypothesizing with spurious claims that have no basis in reality, as I have been on testosterone replacement therapy since I was 18. I'm now 22. I have hypogonadism. I forget the exact levels, but my free testosterone was somewhere around 250 ng/dl prior to treatment.

I can honestly say that TRT does not make the gender feelings better OR worse. When I stop the shots, I feel the same (regarding gender). When I increase the dose, I feel the same. Now lowering or increasing the dose does effect me physically, but not in terms of my relationship with myself and my gender.

So, at least speaking personally, it does NOT make things worse, but it does not help either. Gender that is. It did help me physically, such as treat the symptoms of hypogonadism.
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Northern Jane

I imagine the only effect for most people would be to make the dysphoria worse. For a MtF, watching yourself masculinize more rapidly and grow hairy would be awful!

It WAS a common practice back in the 1960s. At 15 my mother hauled me off to a shrink who suggested I be put on testosterone to "make a man of me", against my will if needs be! He also suggested 'aversion therapy' and even a lobotomy if necessary to break me of the 'delusion' that I was/should have been a girl. Despite being a timid and mild-mannered child, I stormed out of that session hollering "I'd rather take cyanide!" and walked the 10 miles home! That threat scared me more than anything else in life.
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